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Re: [Pharo-project] http://ss3.gemstone.com/ is EXTREMELY slow?

by Tobias Pape

Am 2012-04-03 um 20:24 schrieb phil(a)highoctane.be: > And the version pushed will be +1 each time isn't it? > > How do I put the same version to two places? when you commit a version, you get a window with several options, eg, browse â¦ diffâ¦ etc. The last is âcopyâ click on it and you can copy the very same version to different repos. This does not work with the âsaveâ button in the working copy overview. âsaveâ -> commit âcopyâ -> push. best -tobias

April 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel and Pharo Kernel

by Martin Dias

Nice :) FuelPackageLoader is a functional prototype but needs many improvements. I am elaborating a proposal for GSoC, with features like: basic: - emulate ClassBuilder (implies replacing it for something less monolithic): - validating the class definition - modifying an existent class - recompiling methods (superclass change tolerance) - mutating existing instances to the new format - registering the class as a global - send notifications - more - handle dependencies - good migration support - visual tool: integrate with Gofer or Monticello? extra: - run pre and post scripts (to avoid compilation the scripts should be fully serialized, not just the source code) - new extension operations: add trait, add variable. - clean uninstall: if an extension method overwrote an existing one, then it should be restored when package uninstalled (I think in VW is like this). - ? Some items require community discussion, especially the extra ones. Also, I'm not sure what should be in the scope of GSoC. Cheers, MartÃn On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I tried the Fuel with Pharo Kernel and... it works well. > > > > > > I am really happy to hear that. > > > >> > >> It needs only > >> very few modifications (removing of some dependencies). > > > > > > Right now I am extremelly busy, but in 2 ways I can spend some time in > Fuel. > > If you think that some of these dependencies removal could be applied > > directly to Fuel core, please let us know. > > Hm, I used packages from the Fuel CI image. As I see some things were > changed. For the start, Fuel extensions of classes CharacterBlock and > MetacelloGoferLoad should not be in the basic package. > > > > >> > >> But the really > >> great thing is that the FLPackageLoader seems to work quite well too. > > > > > > Awesome. > > > >> > >> I do strongly recommend to add Fuel very early in the development of > >> 1.5 into the basic kernel packages. > > > > > > Indeed. That was the idea for 1.4 but we didn't have time. > > > >> > >> I can not wait to see a Pharo > >> image without the Compiler ;-) > >> > > > > In fact that was one of the things Stef had in mind when he decided to > > support and push Fuel. Because RMOD is working in boostrap and related > works > > where you would like to boostrap and grow without a compiler ;) > > I know, but I expected that package loading in Fuel has much wider > dependencies and that it will require a lot of next work. > > -- Pavel > > > > > > > >> > >> -- Pavel > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > >

April 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel and Pharo Kernel

by Pavel Krivanek

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I tried the Fuel with Pharo Kernel and... it works well. > > > I am really happy to hear that. > >> >> It needs only >> very few modifications (removing of some dependencies). > > > Right now I am extremelly busy, but in 2 ways I can spend some time in Fuel. > If you think that some of these dependencies removal could be applied > directly to Fuel core, please let us know. Hm, I used packages from the Fuel CI image. As I see some things were changed. For the start, Fuel extensions of classes CharacterBlock and MetacelloGoferLoad should not be in the basic package. > >> >> But the really >> great thing is that the FLPackageLoader seems to work quite well too. > > > Awesome. > >> >> I do strongly recommend to add Fuel very early in the development of >> 1.5 into the basic kernel packages. > > > Indeed. That was the idea for 1.4 but we didn't have time. > >> >> I can not wait to see a Pharo >> image without the Compiler ;-) >> > > In fact that was one of the things Stef had in mind when he decided to > support and push Fuel. Because RMOD is working in boostrap and related works > where you would like to boostrap and grow without a compiler ;) I know, but I expected that package loading in Fuel has much wider dependencies and that it will require a lot of next work. -- Pavel > > >> >> -- Pavel >> > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

April 3, 2012

[Pharo-project] SMark

by Martin Dias

Hi. I like SMark, so I am evaluating how straightforward would be to move Fuel benchmark suite. A couple of questions: 1) I had some undeclared references, no problem? HeadlessSave class>>run: (RVMOperations is Undeclared) ScriptStarter class>>transportersForFileOutMenu (Transporter is Undeclared) 2) Can I run benchmarks in headless mode using ScriptStarter? How can I try HelloWorld script? I couldn't figure out. Thanks, MartÃn

April 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] http://ss3.gemstone.com/ is EXTREMELY slow?

by Dale Henrichs

Good point:) The Issues list in SS3 is not quite as full-featured as the one on Google:) Good point about disabling it though ... There is a note about the issue tracker on the SS3 Home page, but not on the SS3 project page ... good point. Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Stefan Marr" <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de> | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:32:39 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] http://ss3.gemstone.com/ is EXTREMELY slow? | | Hi Dale: | | On 03 Apr 2012, at 20:05, Dale Henrichs wrote: | | > [1] | > http://code.google.com/p/squeaksource3/issues/list?can=2&q=Milestone%3D3.0-… | > [2] | > http://code.google.com/p/squeaksource3/issues/list?can=2&q=Milestone%3D3.0-… | | Think I made the mistake assuming that you guys eat your own dog food | ;) | | http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/ss3.html/Issues | | Perhaps that should be disabled and include a note about the issue | tracker on the overview page? | | | Thanks | Stefan | | | | | -- | Stefan Marr | Software Languages Lab | Vrije Universiteit Brussel | Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium | http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr | Phone: +32 2 629 2974 | Fax: +32 2 629 3525 | | |

April 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] http://ss3.gemstone.com/ is EXTREMELY slow?

by Stefan Marr

Hi Dale: On 03 Apr 2012, at 20:05, Dale Henrichs wrote: > [1] http://code.google.com/p/squeaksource3/issues/list?can=2&q=Milestone%3D3.0-… > [2] http://code.google.com/p/squeaksource3/issues/list?can=2&q=Milestone%3D3.0-… Think I made the mistake assuming that you guys eat your own dog food ;) http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/ss3.html/Issues Perhaps that should be disabled and include a note about the issue tracker on the overview page? Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

April 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] http://ss3.gemstone.com/ is EXTREMELY slow?

by phil＠highoctane.be

And the version pushed will be +1 each time isn't it? How do I put the same version to two places? 2012/4/3 Tobias Pape <Das.Linux(a)gmx.de> > > Am 2012-04-03 um 16:33 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse: > > > > > On Apr 3, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Tobias Pape wrote: > > > >> > >> Am 2012-04-03 um 13:03 schrieb Stefan Marr: > >> > >>> > >>> On 03 Apr 2012, at 12:40, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >>> > >>>> Yes, but this is different. It is now just slow, it is slow enough to > get a timeout exception for the most basic stuff. In other words, you > cannot work. > >>> > >>> Perhaps it is worthwhile to adapt another workflow? > >>> > >>> My personal projects reside all in /home/smarr/.monticello and I use > that as my main repo. > >>> > >>> I commit to that one, and only if I really want to do a 'push' like > with git, I copy stuff to public repos. > >>> > >>> Works very smooth, even on the road. > >> > >> If only the tools supported that better ;) > > > > but with Gofer you can sync your localâ¦. > > > > sure. but actually, i only want to 'push' the > missing versions and, even more important, I want > a non-DoIt way (ie, a button) for it. > You know, when I first saw that it is possible to > 'copy' a version to different repos from the ui, i was thrilledâ¦ > but it takes too much time to copy 10 versions to 3 repos. > Gofer is better but not yet good in this regard ;) > > best > -tobias > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

April 3, 2012

[Pharo-project] Fwd: [smaltalk-gsoc-students] 3 days left, your biography, invitations, proposals

by Marcus Denker

Begin forwarded message: > From: Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [smaltalk-gsoc-students] 3 days left, your biography, invitations, proposals > Date: April 3, 2012 8:12:01 PM GMT+02:00 > To: smalltalk-gsoc-students(a)googlegroups.com > Reply-To: smalltalk-gsoc-students(a)googlegroups.com > > Dear students, > > 3 days to the Friday deadline at 19 UTC! Those who you didn't already, please write your biography! Without it you don't have any chance, sorry, and in Thursday you'll end up on "Not serious" list. > > Mentors are starting to invite you to write proposals. Look at your profiles and if you'll be invited then start writing a proposal. More about that later. > > To repeat the steps: > > 1. on our website http://gsoc2012.esug.org: > Register there and provide as much contact info for mentors to reach as possible; > Write as best biography as you can. Good biography page is the best way to be accepted! > Choose up to three projects you are interested in. Mark a project you are most interested by clicking the button 'Very interested'; > Mentors will soon invite up to two students per project to write a proposal; > Invited students write a proposal how to make a chosen project. > 2. on Google GSoC site: > Register there as a student as well, and immediately, you can edit the registration until deadline anyway, > After invitation and writing a proposal copy the proposal on the Google website as well. > Why such a dual procedure? On our website we can pair your interest with available projects easier that on Google site, this is the main reason. > > So again, hurry up and best luck! > > Janko > Smalltalk GSoC Admin team -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

April 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] http://ss3.gemstone.com/ is EXTREMELY slow?

by Dale Henrichs

We pushed SS3 out last summer as an Alpha because SS3 looked like it could be a better alternative to SqueakSource, so it was opened for general use "known bugs and all"... there are a number of "known bugs" that have been fixed and they are in the queue waiting on a number of open bugs/tasks that still need to be fixed before we can upgrade SS3[1][2] ... The particular issue you have is most likely related to the current i/o problems, which we are working on addressing ... Dale [1] http://code.google.com/p/squeaksource3/issues/list?can=2&q=Milestone%3D3.0-… [2] http://code.google.com/p/squeaksource3/issues/list?can=2&q=Milestone%3D3.0-… ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Stefan Marr" <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de> | To: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Pharo" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>, "Tobias Pape" | <Das.Linux(a)gmx.de> | Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 10:52:11 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] http://ss3.gemstone.com/ is EXTREMELY slow? | | | On 03 Apr 2012, at 15:12, Tobias Pape wrote: | | > | > Am 2012-04-03 um 11:34 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: | > | >> Hi guys. I cannot work today with SS3 because it gives me time | >> outs all the time. The site is not down, but terrible slow. | >> I am the only one seeing this? | > | > it's fast from Berlin, thoâ¦ | | While we are complaining: did anyone ever look at the issues I posted | into the issue tracker? | And, did anyone ever use the project search and got a result back? | Every time I try to use the search, I do not seem to get a proper | HTTP response and the browser is just indicating that it is | loading. | | | Best regards | Stefan | | -- | Stefan Marr | Software Languages Lab | Vrije Universiteit Brussel | Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium | http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr | Phone: +32 2 629 2974 | Fax: +32 2 629 3525 | | |

April 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] http://ss3.gemstone.com/ is EXTREMELY slow?

by Tobias Pape

Am 2012-04-03 um 19:52 schrieb Stefan Marr: > > On 03 Apr 2012, at 15:12, Tobias Pape wrote: > >> >> Am 2012-04-03 um 11:34 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: >> >>> Hi guys. I cannot work today with SS3 because it gives me time outs all the time. The site is not down, but terrible slow. >>> I am the only one seeing this? >> >> it's fast from Berlin, thoâ¦ > > While we are complaining: did anyone ever look at the issues I posted into the issue tracker? Yes I have. Some of them are solved and being staged onto ss3, which hopefully will happen soon ;) I'll take care of the rest of the issues once my currently primary issue is resolved â¦ > > And, did anyone ever use the project search and got a result back? > Every time I try to use the search, I do not seem to get a proper HTTP response and the browser is just indicating that it is loading. Hmm, doesn't happen at http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/squeaksource so this should be resolved and being staged, too :) best -Tobias

April 3, 2012