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Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/16/12 7:45 AM, "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > You can get the halos but not all the time in your face. > Click + shift + option on mac bring the halos. > We do value direct manipulation but only when we want it, not all the time > Stef Mmmm. Yes, you select some submorph, not the root one. And a preference could do the trick... In others forks you click middle button morph and manipulate Debug, Browser, Workspace. One click and duplicate and you have two Debug windows and could go several steps back in one and see where you start in the other. Show this to game developers !!! Very thanks !! Edgar

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

You can get the halos but not all the time in your face. Click + shift + option on mac bring the halos. We do value direct manipulation but only when we want it, not all the time Stef On Apr 16, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote: > > > > On 4/15/12 6:14 PM, "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> there are halos in Pharo. > > Can you as stupid example grab a Browser window , duplicate and rotate it in > no more as two clicks? > > Maybe I do not know Pharo well... > > Give me a Pharo image which behave as Squeak for Morph in the surface and > have all deeper as clear as Juan Cuis and I sign. > > And I atart to like Pharo , only need some PharoForGames in Morphic NOW. > > Cheers > > Edgar > > > >

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk

by Frank Shearar

On 15 April 2012 18:53, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Well, ever tried to setup a proper maven repository in Java? Metacello looks > pretty clean in comparison to iBiblio and friends. Do you mean a maven _repository_ or a maven _build_? frank > Modularization is hard, no matter with what tool. > > Phil > > 2012/4/15 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > >> Sig, >> >> Not intending to give you a hard time, but I went to the page, saw a -X >> package, and started to wonder if that might be linux support. Â But FWIW, I >> can't load any of it. Â The instructions failed, so I tried #load, and each >> variant gives some kine of DNU error. Â Maybe I have an inconsistent set of >> code loaded?? >> >> In the grander view, Metacello continues to be (IMHO) a bottomless well of >> ever-changing load instructions. Â Either we need a reliable on-line grid >> (for Pharo x.x.x load this way...), or perhaps the configurations should >> carry (and automatically use) this type of information. Â I know it's not >> easy, but if we are trying to attract new users, this type of complexity is >> not going to help our cause. >> >> Bill >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Igor Stasenko >> [siguctua(a)gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:12 AM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk >> >> On 15 April 2012 14:46, askoh <askoh(a)askoh.com> wrote: >> > Some is interested in using Smalltalk for prototyping of games. >> > http://www.gamedev.net/topic/623380-game-programming-in-smalltalk/ >> > >> > I think we should respond very constructively on gamedev.net to entice >> > gamers to try Smalltalk. Programmers are coming to appreciate dynamic >> > languages and we can capitalize on that. >> > >> >> can you respond (i'm not registered there), that we have NBOpenGL >> :) >> http://www.squeaksource.com/NBOpenGL.html >> >> as guy want, a low-level binding. >> >> there's even some videos made by Lawson English running the demo. >> >> > Go Smalltalk, >> > Aik-Siong Koh >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> > http://forum.world.st/gamedev-net-post-asking-about-Smalltalk-tp4559039p455… >> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> >> > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | > Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

April 16, 2012

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14428

by Marcus Denker

14428 ----- Issue 5603: Too short text input controls in the setting browser http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5603 Issue 5595: EllipseMorph>>cornerStyle: is missing statement terminator http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5595 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/15/12 6:14 PM, "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > there are halos in Pharo. Can you as stupid example grab a Browser window , duplicate and rotate it in no more as two clicks? Maybe I do not know Pharo well... Give me a Pharo image which behave as Squeak for Morph in the surface and have all deeper as clear as Juan Cuis and I sign. And I atart to like Pharo , only need some PharoForGames in Morphic NOW. Cheers Edgar

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk

by Erwan Douaille

Hi, Maybe we can show us in some weeks my project ? I'm using NBOpenGL ;) That's not a game but that can show what we can do with pharo 2012/4/15 Lawson English <lenglish5(a)cox.net> > I went ahead and plugged my videos and so on in my response. > > L. > > > On 4/15/12 7:12 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 15 April 2012 14:46, askoh<askoh(a)askoh.com> wrote: >> >>> Some is interested in using Smalltalk for prototyping of games. >>> http://www.gamedev.net/topic/**623380-game-programming-in-**smalltalk/<http://www.gamedev.net/topic/623380-game-programming-in-smalltalk/> >>> >>> I think we should respond very constructively on gamedev.net to entice >>> gamers to try Smalltalk. Programmers are coming to appreciate dynamic >>> languages and we can capitalize on that. >>> >>> can you respond (i'm not registered there), that we have NBOpenGL >> :) >> http://www.squeaksource.com/**NBOpenGL.html<http://www.squeaksource.com/NBOpenGL.html> >> >> as guy want, a low-level binding. >> >> there's even some videos made by Lawson English running the demo. >> >> Go Smalltalk, >>> Aik-Siong Koh >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/gamedev-** >>> net-post-asking-about-**Smalltalk-tp4559039p4559039.**html<http://forum.world.st/gamedev-net-post-asking-about-Smalltalk-tp4559039p455…> >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >> >> > > -- Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel, FuelMetalevel, FuelPackageLevel and "code" serialization Re: Stupid question about Fuel

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/15/12 3:48 PM, "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No problem. I was thinking to add this explanation to the Fuel website.... Having the Fuel website high in my bookmarks. Very good show.. Edgar

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/15/12 2:59 PM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I think that pharo serves a need. The need for something solid and free from > restrictions related to software. > > Got interested in Smallatalk and Squeak quite a long time ago. But never moved > past the toy-stage with them. Went homoiconic with Tcl and "OO" with the whole > Java chain. > > With Pharo, there is a sense of progress, cleanliness, and will to push the > boundary by making some hard choices. > > And this made me interested in how things worked inside, and invest time and > energy in making it a key target platform for my ideas-materialization > activities in my business. Because business thrives on something solid, and > innovation doesn't like arbitrary restrictions. > > Owning and mastering the whole chain from VM up to Image detail is huge. In > Squeak, it is accretion. I think Pharo leans more towards the > "crystallization" side of things. (Yep, I drank the kool-aid). > > Philippe Agree with all Edgar

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 4/15/12 2:53 PM, "Pavel Krivanek" <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We may be happy that this two forks share the same virtual machine. I > didn't see any real Squeak vision and nothing changed from that time. > You may try to change it and convince Squeak community about some. > > Cheers, > -- Pavel I running for the Board this year and if I become elected, try to convince SOB members to wake up of comatose status of Squeak. You was right, Pharo have a vision and SOB members complain about Andreas not leading the community. Also I wish Andreas come back, but is time to grow up. Cheers Edgar P.S. Apple should survive Steve pass away .....

April 16, 2012

[Pharo-project] about http://sleepycoders.blogspot.fr/2012/04/peer-to-peer-networking-in-pharo.html

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Cool! We need more of such blog. It would be great to have a look at the gossiping protocol on squeaksource to have real P2P structure. http://www.squeaksource.com/P2P.html and also DGV project http://www.squeaksource.com/DGV.html I could not understand how to add a comment on the web site so here it is. Stef

April 16, 2012