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Re: [Pharo-users] Re: [Pharo-users]Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo: pdftalkPackageChanges

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The confusing thing is that PDFtalk is treated as the project here in this method PDFtalkProject <=================== ^ProjectChange name: #PDFtalk <============================== source: ((OrderedCollection new) add: (Package name: #Values); add: (Bundle name: #PDFtalk); add: (Package name: #'Values Testing'); add: (Bundle name: #'PDFtalk Testing'); add: (Package name: #'PDFtalk Demonstrations'); yourself) changes: self pdftalkPackageChanges nameMapping: (NameMapping keep: ((OrderedCollection new) add: #{Smalltalk.PDF}; add: #{PostScript.PSDictionary}; add: #{PDFtalk.PDFObject}; add: #{PDFtalk.PDFArray}; add: #{PDFtalk.PDFDictionary}; add: #{PDFtalk.PDFStream}; add: #{PDFtalk.PDFString}; add: #{PDFtalk.PDFDate}; add: #{PDFtalk.PDFTypeDefinition}; add: #{PDFtalk.PDFEncoder}; yourself) classToNames: ((Valuemap new) add: #{SubscriptOutOfBoundsError} -> #Error; add: #{NonIntegerIndexError} -> #Error; add: #{NotFoundError} -> #KeyNotFound; add: #{KeyNotFoundError} -> #KeyNotFound; yourself) namespaceToPrefixes: ((Valuemap new) add: #{Smalltalk.PostScript} -> 'PS'; add: #{Smalltalk.PDFtalk} -> 'Pt'; add: #{PDFtalk.Fonts} -> 'PtF'; add: #{PDFtalk.Fonts.CFF} -> 'CFF'; add: #{PDFtalk.Fonts.OpenType} -> 'PtOT'; yourself)) but itâs not the PDFtalk project. Bundle âPDFtalk Projectâ is Why leave out the true top-level bundle? Thereâs no doubt that itâs the project bundle because its name include âProjectâ. Shaping From: Shaping <shaping(a)uurda.org> Sent: Thursday, 4 August, 2022 20:26 To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>; 'Pharo Development List' <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: [Pharo-users] Re: [Pharo-users]Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo: pdftalkPackageChanges This method pdftalkPackageChanges ^(Valuemap new) add: 'Values' -> self ValuesTransform; add: 'PostScript' -> self PostScriptTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Basics' -> self PDFtalkBasicsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Typing' -> self PDFtalkTypingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Basic Objects' -> self PDFtalkBasicObjectsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Streams' -> self PDFtalkStreamsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Data Structures' -> self PDFtalkDataStructuresTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Parsing' -> self PDFtalkParsingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Colour' -> self PDFtalkColourTransform; add: 'PostScript Fonts' -> self PostScriptFontsTransform; add: 'PostScript CIDInit' -> self PostScriptCIDInitTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts Basics' -> self PDFtalkFontsBasicsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts Type1' -> self PDFtalkFontsType1Transform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts OpenType' -> self PDFtalkFontsOpenTypeTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts' -> self PDFtalkFontsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Graphics' -> self PDFtalkGraphicsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Graphics Operations' -> self PDFtalkGraphicsOperationsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk XObjects' -> self PDFtalkXObjectsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Images' -> self PDFtalkImagesTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Files' -> self PDFtalkFilesTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Document' -> self PDFtalkDocumentTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Rendering' -> self PDFtalkRenderingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Shading' -> self PDFtalkShadingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Interactive Features' -> self PDFtalkInteractiveFeaturesTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Deploying' -> self PDFtalkDeployingTransform; add: 'Values Testing' -> self ValuesTestingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk test resources' -> self PDFtalkTestResourcesTransform; add: 'PostScript Testing' -> self PostScriptTestingTransform; add: 'PostScript CIDInit Testing' -> self PostScriptCIDInitTestingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts tests' -> self PDFtalkFontsTestsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk tests' -> self PDFtalkTestsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Demonstrations' -> self PDFtalkDemonstrationsTransform; yourself effectively looks like the head transform structure for a project, in this case all the PDFtalk stuff, which includes Values and Postscript. This is not exactly a bundle idea, is it? Itâs project spread across potentially many bundles and packages. Iâll start coding my transform with a similar method, and work down toward the details. Takes a bit to get used to all the correct, yet dangling VW methods that are useless in VW, but which will become new code in the target image and there no longer appear to be dangling (with syntax highlighting aberrations). Odd looking but completely by design. Shaping From: Shaping <shaping(a)uurda.org <mailto:shaping@uurda.org> > Sent: Thursday, 4 August, 2022 19:18 To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: [Pharo-users]Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo: Pharo100 fileOutValues I will look, although this kind of always available on demand thing is too disruptive for meâ¦ I know what you mean. I try be disciplined about it. I really like to be able to fix typos, because there are almost always typos. But e-mail is okay. So that little example is a test that shows how the transformation is done. It converts just package Values to a Pharo-compatible file-in. My task is then to queue a bunch of ProjectChange instances like this one: SmalltalkTransform.Pharo100>> ValuesProject ^ProjectChange name: #Values source: (Array with: (Package name: #Values)) changes: (Valuemap with: 'Values' -> self ValuesTransform) Exactly but for my own packages. No bundles are transformed (just their contained packages) because Pharo doesnât have bundles. Is that right? No, bundles are handled. For real examples, you need to look at the PDFtalk transforms. Yes, Pharo does not have a concept of bundles (ordered aggregates of packages). Instead it relies on a naming convention for packages. That convention is honored in the fileout, so that packages will be partly grouped in Pharo according to the category prefix. For each VW-package, one Pharo package is created. A bundle itself is also represented as Pharo package with one class About<bundlename> with class methods for the metadata of the bundle, including a method giving you the ordered list of component packages. So, all contents and metadata of packages and bundles are transformed for Pharo. No code or info gets lost. Okay. Is method ValuesTransform ^PackageChange ignoredNames: #(#{Smalltalk.GeneralBindingReference}) bridgeClasses: (Valuemap with: #{Timestamp} -> #DateAndTime with: #{Smalltalk.ColorValue} -> #Color) localChanges: self valuesLocalTransform extensions: (Array with: (SystemClassChange className: #Color instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #asColorValue code: #_ph_asColorValue))) with: (SystemClassChange className: #TextStream instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #nextPutAllText: code: #_ph_nextPutAllText:)))) written specifically for that package? I would think it applies to all packages. I see some expected mappings like Timestamp to DateAndTime. Yes, this method returns a PackageChange Value describing the transformations needed to create the Pharo fileout for this specific package (inspect the return value for the fully expanded Value). Methods exist with the same name for other Smalltalks. Depending on the dialect (or version of a dialect), the transforms are different. Squeak and Pharo are quite similar, because they share a common history, but VA or Gemstone need quite different transforms. So, in general, for each package, there is one such method/Value for each target Smalltalk/version. Okay. I do not dare to extract commonalities before the machinery is really robust and stable. For now everything is neatly separate and self-contained (and probably it will stay that way, although there are lots of duplications). The mapping of class names is the responsibility of the enclosing ProjectChange Value where you define the list of source bundles/packages to transform, the PackageChanges for all packages and the mapping of âglobalâ names. (The bridge classes above are no renames, but a subclass relationship (is-a) to avoid renamings. The new class Timestamp will be created as subclass of DateAndTime which has almost the same semantics. Therefore, I can still use Timestamp which will be basically a DateAndTime now.) Okay. There is still a technical challenge here. Currently, a ProjectChange need to include all prerequisites (Values is part of the PDFtalk project and will be transformed with it). A ProjectWriter, which coordinates the transform, keeps track of the mappings when they are created (either explicitly or through a namespace renaming â see implementers of #PDFtalkProject). I would like to have this more modular: the mappings from the Values transformation should be persistently saved, so that other transformation projects can just use them, instead of including the sources into one own project. For this, I need to have renamings local to a package (where they first occur), not global on the project level. Right. For Values and Values Tests and Values Tools this works, because there are no mappings in the Values package. What about conversion of VW arrays to Pharo literal arrays? How is that done? (I think you mean dynamic arrays like {1. âabcâ size. 42} in which evaluation happens (in contrast to literal things which can be resolved already by the compiler). Yes, dynamic arrays. Not! Since a while, VW also has dynamic arrays, but not in VW 8.3 â the last publicly available version. Okay, I was wondering when that would happen. I will not shut out those users, because âopen-sourceâ would be quite absurd, if it is only available for paying customers. In 8.3, the compiler does not accept that syntax and therefore, there is no easy way to represent this in replacement code. So, no. It is not possible until Cincom releases an public version which can handle that. Okay. I recall that one of the Smalltalks (I donât recall which) had Stream semantics differing from VWâs. â¦ I just checked. VWâs #upTo: method includes the object and leaves the index after it, and Pharoâs excludes the object and leaves the index at the object. So that is some major breakage if we donât correct it. Can it be done automatically? Yes, these are the usual porting challenges and exactly the reason why this library exists :). Thank you for the question :). Yes, the stream semantics need to be fixed. The idea is that a set of transforms for this issue can be reused by others. Okay. >> valuesLocalTransform has lots of juicy bits. But this doesnât look very simple. We canât just replace an old method with a new one. We also have to write the new one to tweak how the indices are used in #upTo:, and make sure that new method gets filed-in as well into the Pharo target image. Or, we have to do this kind of change manually. Naa, itâs very easy, I think :). A PackageChange specifies transforms for classes used in the package (#localChanges) and #extensions for system classes of the target. For a class, you can have a ClassChange describing the changes to instance or class methods. A MethodChange has 4 subclasses for: - Ignore â donât write this method to the target - Add â add this new method (not in the source system) to the target - Replace â replace the body of this method with other code - Rewrite â rewrite the method source using a rewrite rule. Add and Replace need the target code. Add then always involves a new name for a method in the target. Replaces use an old name in the target with a new code body. This is stored in another method with a derived name like #_ph_upTo: . The method name is not important, because only the body of the method is used. But the name should not be used in the source â it is just a holder for the replacement code. These methods live in the specific [<Smalltalk> Fileout <Package>] package. Okay. There are lots of working(!) examples for all of those in the PDFtalk transform project. This bit (SystemClassChange className: #Color instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #asColorValue code: #_ph_asColorValue))) is replacing #asColorValue with #_ph_asColorValue because some special Pharo-color conversion needs to happen. But how does #_ph_asColorValue get defined? Itâs neither in VW nor in Pharo 10. You got bitten by the old version of [Pharo Fileout Values]. Please load [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk]. There, the methods exist. Yes, I see it now. Ok. I donât have a virgin image. I have a very non-virgin image, about 27 years of development Iâm trying to port to Pharo. I donât yet have a specific interest in the PDFtalk, though I do see a need for PDF generation later, and will probably revisit that. For now, I just want my own stuff to run in Pharo. Virgin image just means that you donât need anything else. You can safely load it in you favorite special images :). I would load PDFtalk, although technically you donât need to (all the extensions to PDFtalk would be unloadable, but that doesnât affect Values). Okay. is: Load {Values Project] bundle Load {PDFtalk Project} bundle Load {Smalltalk Transform Project} bundle Load [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package Save, done Okay, so do I understand correctly that I need to include the PDFtalk stuff even if Iâm not interested in PDFtalk, because thatâs where a lot of the Smalltalk transformation machinery lives? Or is the PDFtalk just being used as an example for how to do a massive transformation? Or Both? No, the transformation machinery is fully independent of PDFtalk. I just tried it. The dependencies are in the specific [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package, since I have already quite a few replacement methods which are extensions to PDFtalk classes. Okay. PDFtalk is the focus of the project and therefore all issues are solved first with this library in mind. Therefore, bundles and namespaces are handled, for example. When you study the more interesting transformations for PDFtalk, it would be a shame not to be able to browse the methods and classes involved. So, PDFtalk is the real world reference example. And Values is the simplest example. To transform Values do: âPharo100 fileOutValuesâ The [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package includes the latest Values transformations. I am thinking about a better modularizationâ¦ Also, the wiki is a bit out of control. It really needs some restructuring. In the cites wiki page, there is a link to a blog where I record the changes. This might be informative. 2. Port the Values package. This is easy, since no namespaces are involved. This first instruction after VW package setup says to port the contents of the Values package from VW to Pharo. Do you mean manually? Probably not. No, no. This has been finished in March. For each dialect, I have a GitHub repository where I release important versions: <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk> https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk. You can find the working port as first release â <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk/releases/tag/1.3.0.0> Working versionâ. There you can download the ported Values fileout with the exact description with which versions of what it was created. This should be a good starting example. Why do I need any new code installed in Pharo before I begin the transformation, if Iâm transforming code from VW to pharo? Iâm not understanding the basic constraints of the problem, even when the detailed steps are clear. No, no. You donât need anything on the Pharo side. The fileouts on GitHub are the end products of a transformation for people who donât use VisualWorks, but want to use Values in Pharo. Or help with PDFtalk by fixing some issues, so that I can write the transformations. Iâve done these steps so far: 1. Went to <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk> https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk. Mistake :). You donât want to look at the unfinished product of the current version of thincomplete transformations for PDFtalk. Do you mean âfinishedâ here? Isnât that file-in the finished result? I thought the above links was the currently finished result (as good as it can be until the rest of the bugs are goine and tests all run). Yes, that was confusing. Thatâs why I had the early impression that Values was somehow apart of the transformation machinery. See https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=stateoftheport#pharo-10-0: Instead, you want to look at the unfinished product of the transformations of your projects :). 2. Saved down PDFtalk.Pharo100.st into <my Pharo 10 image directory>/pharo-local/Smalltalk-Transformation. (I figured that was a good place to save it. If anyone disagrees, or has a better or more conventional idea about where files should be saved, please say so. I setup a Pharo Git repo and played with it briefly for the first time yesterday. Iâve used Pharo off an on for 16 years, but this is the first time Iâm making a serious effort to manage source, and not throw away what Iâm working on.) 3. Filed-in PDFtalk.Pharo100.st. This went on for about 7 minutes or so. I have a hundreds if not over a thousand classes showing in Epicea. Is there anyway to get Epicea to give me a count of changes with a time-range filter? 4. Deleted (forgot) yesterdayâs, old Main practice-repo from both the image and the drive, and made a new one. I need to add to Main all the packages I just filed-in, but I donât see an efficient way to do that. I would like to use the Add Package button, but this gives a filtered list of available packages. I can filter subgroups, and then individually select each of the checkboxes to the left of each package (there is no Ctrl-A [select all] option here, which seems to be a strange omission given the potentially large number of packages involved). I see lots of prefixes for the classes just loaded. I could easily miss something if I filter/select/add one prefix-group at a time. Is there an easier way? Over in Epicea I donât see a way to push the loaded items listed to a specific repo. The first thought I have is to select all filed-in code artifacts by datetime span. I did that and saved it as an .ombu file (I have no idea what that is). I donât see a way to import that .ombu file into repo Mainâs âWorking copyâ window. It must be easy, but I donât see it. Please suggest the best way. Iâd like to know as well â I am not quite familiar with the source management concepts in Pharo. I asked in Discord. I donât understand why stuff like this is missing. The only conclusion I can draw is that no one does huge file-ins (but you do). It is planned to generate Tonel output in the future, but for now I feel safer with the traditional fileout where I can have doIts. I am not sure how Tonel reacts to crippled sources, which are normal during the development of the transformations. Shaping From: christian.haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> Sent: Wednesday, 22 June, 2022 05:42 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] [PDFtalk] second fileOut for Squeak and Pharo With help from the community some issues were fixed which improved the test statistics nicely. Check it out: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=portingblog#second_pdftalk_fileout_for_… Thanks to everybody involved! Happy hacking, Christian

Aug. 5, 2022

Re: [Pharo-users] Re: [Pharo-users]Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo: pdftalkPackageChanges

by Shaping

This method pdftalkPackageChanges ^(Valuemap new) add: 'Values' -> self ValuesTransform; add: 'PostScript' -> self PostScriptTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Basics' -> self PDFtalkBasicsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Typing' -> self PDFtalkTypingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Basic Objects' -> self PDFtalkBasicObjectsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Streams' -> self PDFtalkStreamsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Data Structures' -> self PDFtalkDataStructuresTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Parsing' -> self PDFtalkParsingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Colour' -> self PDFtalkColourTransform; add: 'PostScript Fonts' -> self PostScriptFontsTransform; add: 'PostScript CIDInit' -> self PostScriptCIDInitTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts Basics' -> self PDFtalkFontsBasicsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts Type1' -> self PDFtalkFontsType1Transform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts OpenType' -> self PDFtalkFontsOpenTypeTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts' -> self PDFtalkFontsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Graphics' -> self PDFtalkGraphicsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Graphics Operations' -> self PDFtalkGraphicsOperationsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk XObjects' -> self PDFtalkXObjectsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Images' -> self PDFtalkImagesTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Files' -> self PDFtalkFilesTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Document' -> self PDFtalkDocumentTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Rendering' -> self PDFtalkRenderingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Shading' -> self PDFtalkShadingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Interactive Features' -> self PDFtalkInteractiveFeaturesTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Deploying' -> self PDFtalkDeployingTransform; add: 'Values Testing' -> self ValuesTestingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk test resources' -> self PDFtalkTestResourcesTransform; add: 'PostScript Testing' -> self PostScriptTestingTransform; add: 'PostScript CIDInit Testing' -> self PostScriptCIDInitTestingTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Fonts tests' -> self PDFtalkFontsTestsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk tests' -> self PDFtalkTestsTransform; add: 'PDFtalk Demonstrations' -> self PDFtalkDemonstrationsTransform; yourself effectively looks like the head transform structure for a project, in this case all the PDFtalk stuff, which includes Values and Postscript. This is not exactly a bundle idea, is it? Itâs project spread across potentially many bundles and packages. Iâll start coding my transform with a similar method, and work down toward the details. Takes a bit to get used to all the correct, yet dangling VW methods that are useless in VW, but which will become new code in the target image and there no longer appear to be dangling (with syntax highlighting aberrations). Odd looking but completely by design. Shaping From: Shaping <shaping(a)uurda.org> Sent: Thursday, 4 August, 2022 19:18 To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: [Pharo-users]Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo: Pharo100 fileOutValues I will look, although this kind of always available on demand thing is too disruptive for meâ¦ I know what you mean. I try be disciplined about it. I really like to be able to fix typos, because there are almost always typos. But e-mail is okay. So that little example is a test that shows how the transformation is done. It converts just package Values to a Pharo-compatible file-in. My task is then to queue a bunch of ProjectChange instances like this one: SmalltalkTransform.Pharo100>> ValuesProject ^ProjectChange name: #Values source: (Array with: (Package name: #Values)) changes: (Valuemap with: 'Values' -> self ValuesTransform) Exactly but for my own packages. No bundles are transformed (just their contained packages) because Pharo doesnât have bundles. Is that right? No, bundles are handled. For real examples, you need to look at the PDFtalk transforms. Yes, Pharo does not have a concept of bundles (ordered aggregates of packages). Instead it relies on a naming convention for packages. That convention is honored in the fileout, so that packages will be partly grouped in Pharo according to the category prefix. For each VW-package, one Pharo package is created. A bundle itself is also represented as Pharo package with one class About<bundlename> with class methods for the metadata of the bundle, including a method giving you the ordered list of component packages. So, all contents and metadata of packages and bundles are transformed for Pharo. No code or info gets lost. Okay. Is method ValuesTransform ^PackageChange ignoredNames: #(#{Smalltalk.GeneralBindingReference}) bridgeClasses: (Valuemap with: #{Timestamp} -> #DateAndTime with: #{Smalltalk.ColorValue} -> #Color) localChanges: self valuesLocalTransform extensions: (Array with: (SystemClassChange className: #Color instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #asColorValue code: #_ph_asColorValue))) with: (SystemClassChange className: #TextStream instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #nextPutAllText: code: #_ph_nextPutAllText:)))) written specifically for that package? I would think it applies to all packages. I see some expected mappings like Timestamp to DateAndTime. Yes, this method returns a PackageChange Value describing the transformations needed to create the Pharo fileout for this specific package (inspect the return value for the fully expanded Value). Methods exist with the same name for other Smalltalks. Depending on the dialect (or version of a dialect), the transforms are different. Squeak and Pharo are quite similar, because they share a common history, but VA or Gemstone need quite different transforms. So, in general, for each package, there is one such method/Value for each target Smalltalk/version. Okay. I do not dare to extract commonalities before the machinery is really robust and stable. For now everything is neatly separate and self-contained (and probably it will stay that way, although there are lots of duplications). The mapping of class names is the responsibility of the enclosing ProjectChange Value where you define the list of source bundles/packages to transform, the PackageChanges for all packages and the mapping of âglobalâ names. (The bridge classes above are no renames, but a subclass relationship (is-a) to avoid renamings. The new class Timestamp will be created as subclass of DateAndTime which has almost the same semantics. Therefore, I can still use Timestamp which will be basically a DateAndTime now.) Okay. There is still a technical challenge here. Currently, a ProjectChange need to include all prerequisites (Values is part of the PDFtalk project and will be transformed with it). A ProjectWriter, which coordinates the transform, keeps track of the mappings when they are created (either explicitly or through a namespace renaming â see implementers of #PDFtalkProject). I would like to have this more modular: the mappings from the Values transformation should be persistently saved, so that other transformation projects can just use them, instead of including the sources into one own project. For this, I need to have renamings local to a package (where they first occur), not global on the project level. Right. For Values and Values Tests and Values Tools this works, because there are no mappings in the Values package. What about conversion of VW arrays to Pharo literal arrays? How is that done? (I think you mean dynamic arrays like {1. âabcâ size. 42} in which evaluation happens (in contrast to literal things which can be resolved already by the compiler). Yes, dynamic arrays. Not! Since a while, VW also has dynamic arrays, but not in VW 8.3 â the last publicly available version. Okay, I was wondering when that would happen. I will not shut out those users, because âopen-sourceâ would be quite absurd, if it is only available for paying customers. In 8.3, the compiler does not accept that syntax and therefore, there is no easy way to represent this in replacement code. So, no. It is not possible until Cincom releases an public version which can handle that. Okay. I recall that one of the Smalltalks (I donât recall which) had Stream semantics differing from VWâs. â¦ I just checked. VWâs #upTo: method includes the object and leaves the index after it, and Pharoâs excludes the object and leaves the index at the object. So that is some major breakage if we donât correct it. Can it be done automatically? Yes, these are the usual porting challenges and exactly the reason why this library exists :). Thank you for the question :). Yes, the stream semantics need to be fixed. The idea is that a set of transforms for this issue can be reused by others. Okay. >> valuesLocalTransform has lots of juicy bits. But this doesnât look very simple. We canât just replace an old method with a new one. We also have to write the new one to tweak how the indices are used in #upTo:, and make sure that new method gets filed-in as well into the Pharo target image. Or, we have to do this kind of change manually. Naa, itâs very easy, I think :). A PackageChange specifies transforms for classes used in the package (#localChanges) and #extensions for system classes of the target. For a class, you can have a ClassChange describing the changes to instance or class methods. A MethodChange has 4 subclasses for: - Ignore â donât write this method to the target - Add â add this new method (not in the source system) to the target - Replace â replace the body of this method with other code - Rewrite â rewrite the method source using a rewrite rule. Add and Replace need the target code. Add then always involves a new name for a method in the target. Replaces use an old name in the target with a new code body. This is stored in another method with a derived name like #_ph_upTo: . The method name is not important, because only the body of the method is used. But the name should not be used in the source â it is just a holder for the replacement code. These methods live in the specific [<Smalltalk> Fileout <Package>] package. Okay. There are lots of working(!) examples for all of those in the PDFtalk transform project. This bit (SystemClassChange className: #Color instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #asColorValue code: #_ph_asColorValue))) is replacing #asColorValue with #_ph_asColorValue because some special Pharo-color conversion needs to happen. But how does #_ph_asColorValue get defined? Itâs neither in VW nor in Pharo 10. You got bitten by the old version of [Pharo Fileout Values]. Please load [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk]. There, the methods exist. Yes, I see it now. Ok. I donât have a virgin image. I have a very non-virgin image, about 27 years of development Iâm trying to port to Pharo. I donât yet have a specific interest in the PDFtalk, though I do see a need for PDF generation later, and will probably revisit that. For now, I just want my own stuff to run in Pharo. Virgin image just means that you donât need anything else. You can safely load it in you favorite special images :). I would load PDFtalk, although technically you donât need to (all the extensions to PDFtalk would be unloadable, but that doesnât affect Values). Okay. is: Load {Values Project] bundle Load {PDFtalk Project} bundle Load {Smalltalk Transform Project} bundle Load [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package Save, done Okay, so do I understand correctly that I need to include the PDFtalk stuff even if Iâm not interested in PDFtalk, because thatâs where a lot of the Smalltalk transformation machinery lives? Or is the PDFtalk just being used as an example for how to do a massive transformation? Or Both? No, the transformation machinery is fully independent of PDFtalk. I just tried it. The dependencies are in the specific [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package, since I have already quite a few replacement methods which are extensions to PDFtalk classes. Okay. PDFtalk is the focus of the project and therefore all issues are solved first with this library in mind. Therefore, bundles and namespaces are handled, for example. When you study the more interesting transformations for PDFtalk, it would be a shame not to be able to browse the methods and classes involved. So, PDFtalk is the real world reference example. And Values is the simplest example. To transform Values do: âPharo100 fileOutValuesâ The [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package includes the latest Values transformations. I am thinking about a better modularizationâ¦ Also, the wiki is a bit out of control. It really needs some restructuring. In the cites wiki page, there is a link to a blog where I record the changes. This might be informative. 2. Port the Values package. This is easy, since no namespaces are involved. This first instruction after VW package setup says to port the contents of the Values package from VW to Pharo. Do you mean manually? Probably not. No, no. This has been finished in March. For each dialect, I have a GitHub repository where I release important versions: <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk> https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk. You can find the working port as first release â <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk/releases/tag/1.3.0.0> Working versionâ. There you can download the ported Values fileout with the exact description with which versions of what it was created. This should be a good starting example. Why do I need any new code installed in Pharo before I begin the transformation, if Iâm transforming code from VW to pharo? Iâm not understanding the basic constraints of the problem, even when the detailed steps are clear. No, no. You donât need anything on the Pharo side. The fileouts on GitHub are the end products of a transformation for people who donât use VisualWorks, but want to use Values in Pharo. Or help with PDFtalk by fixing some issues, so that I can write the transformations. Iâve done these steps so far: 1. Went to <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk> https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk. Mistake :). You donât want to look at the unfinished product of the current version of thincomplete transformations for PDFtalk. Do you mean âfinishedâ here? Isnât that file-in the finished result? I thought the above links was the currently finished result (as good as it can be until the rest of the bugs are goine and tests all run). Yes, that was confusing. Thatâs why I had the early impression that Values was somehow apart of the transformation machinery. See https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=stateoftheport#pharo-10-0: Instead, you want to look at the unfinished product of the transformations of your projects :). 2. Saved down PDFtalk.Pharo100.st into <my Pharo 10 image directory>/pharo-local/Smalltalk-Transformation. (I figured that was a good place to save it. If anyone disagrees, or has a better or more conventional idea about where files should be saved, please say so. I setup a Pharo Git repo and played with it briefly for the first time yesterday. Iâve used Pharo off an on for 16 years, but this is the first time Iâm making a serious effort to manage source, and not throw away what Iâm working on.) 3. Filed-in PDFtalk.Pharo100.st. This went on for about 7 minutes or so. I have a hundreds if not over a thousand classes showing in Epicea. Is there anyway to get Epicea to give me a count of changes with a time-range filter? 4. Deleted (forgot) yesterdayâs, old Main practice-repo from both the image and the drive, and made a new one. I need to add to Main all the packages I just filed-in, but I donât see an efficient way to do that. I would like to use the Add Package button, but this gives a filtered list of available packages. I can filter subgroups, and then individually select each of the checkboxes to the left of each package (there is no Ctrl-A [select all] option here, which seems to be a strange omission given the potentially large number of packages involved). I see lots of prefixes for the classes just loaded. I could easily miss something if I filter/select/add one prefix-group at a time. Is there an easier way? Over in Epicea I donât see a way to push the loaded items listed to a specific repo. The first thought I have is to select all filed-in code artifacts by datetime span. I did that and saved it as an .ombu file (I have no idea what that is). I donât see a way to import that .ombu file into repo Mainâs âWorking copyâ window. It must be easy, but I donât see it. Please suggest the best way. Iâd like to know as well â I am not quite familiar with the source management concepts in Pharo. I asked in Discord. I donât understand why stuff like this is missing. The only conclusion I can draw is that no one does huge file-ins (but you do). It is planned to generate Tonel output in the future, but for now I feel safer with the traditional fileout where I can have doIts. I am not sure how Tonel reacts to crippled sources, which are normal during the development of the transformations. Shaping From: christian.haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 June, 2022 05:42 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] [PDFtalk] second fileOut for Squeak and Pharo With help from the community some issues were fixed which improved the test statistics nicely. Check it out: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=portingblog#second_pdftalk_fileout_for_… Thanks to everybody involved! Happy hacking, Christian

Aug. 5, 2022

Re: [Pharo-users]Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo: Pharo100 fileOutValues

by Shaping

Hi Christian. (You can find some other discussion of this in Discord with Yanni and others.) I just evaled: SmalltalkTransform.Pharo100 fileOutValues This wrote file Values.Pharo100.st of size 42 KB to my VW image directory. So that little example is a test that shows how the transformation is done. It converts just package Values to a Pharo-compatible file-in. My task is then to queue a bunch of ProjectChange instances like this one: SmalltalkTransform.Pharo100>> ValuesProject ^ProjectChange name: #Values source: (Array with: (Package name: #Values)) changes: (Valuemap with: 'Values' -> self ValuesTransform) but for my own packages. No bundles are transformed (just their contained packages) because Pharo doesnât have bundles. Is that right? Is method ValuesTransform ^PackageChange ignoredNames: #(#{Smalltalk.GeneralBindingReference}) bridgeClasses: (Valuemap with: #{Timestamp} -> #DateAndTime with: #{Smalltalk.ColorValue} -> #Color) localChanges: self valuesLocalTransform extensions: (Array with: (SystemClassChange className: #Color instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #asColorValue code: #_ph_asColorValue))) with: (SystemClassChange className: #TextStream instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #nextPutAllText: code: #_ph_nextPutAllText:)))) written specifically for that package? I would think it applies to all packages. I see some expected mappings like Timestampe to DateAndTime. What about conversion of VW arrays to Pharo literal arrays? How is that done? I recall that one of the Smalltalks (I donât recall which) had Stream semantics differing from VWâs. â¦ I just checked. VWâs #upTo: method includes the object and leaves the index after it, and Pharoâs excludes the object and leaves the index at the object. So that is some major breakage if we donât correct it. Can it be done automatically? >> valuesLocalTransform has lots of juicy bits. But this doesnât look very simple. We canât just replace an old method with a new one. We also have to write the new one to tweak how the indices are used in #upTo:, and make sure that new method gets filed-in as well into the Pharo target image. Or, we have to do this kind of change manually. How did you handle conversion to literal arrays conversion and Stream semantic adjustment? This bit (SystemClassChange className: #Color instanceChanges: (Array with: (Add method: #asColorValue code: #_ph_asColorValue))) is replacing #asColorValue with #_ph_asColorValue because some special Pharo-color conversion needs to happen. But how does #_ph_asColorValue get defined? Itâs neither in VW nor in Pharo 10. Shaping [â¦] How does one generate the source (run the transformation)? Where are the aforementioned âdefined code transformationsâ, Is there an example of how to setup the declarative template needed to map VW namespace names to Pharo class prefixes? I loaded the following packages into my VW 8.3 image: Values Project Yes Values Values Fileout Pharo Values Testing Values Tools Values Tools Testing Automatic Load PDFtalk Project bundle. Since the main target is PDFtalk. Values (and PostScript) are just bycatch. Pharo Fileout Values No, this package has been renamed to [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk]. Load this. Pharo Transform No, not separate. This is part of the Transform Project. Smalltalk Transform Project Yes Smalltalk Transform TestBundle Smalltalk Transform Tests Smalltalk Transform Smalltalk Transform Model Smalltalk Transform Testing Smalltalk Transform TestPackage Smalltalk Transform Tools Automatic Yes, I just loaded the head packages and the dependencies were also loaded. Thanks for trimming that down for me. Any package not updated recently (in the last few months) I didnât load. Did I miss anything? Yes. The ideal setup from a virgin image Ok. I donât have a virgin image. I have a very non-virgin image, about 27 years of development Iâm trying to port to Pharo. I donât yet have a specific interest in the PDFtalk, though I do see a need for PDF generation later, and will probably revisit that. For now, I just want my own stuff to run in Pharo. is: Load {Values Project] bundle Load {PDFtalk Project} bundle Load {Smalltalk Transform Project} bundle Load [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package Save, done Okay, so do I understand correctly that I need to include the PDFtalk stuff even if Iâm not interested in PDFtalk, because thatâs where a lot of the Smalltalk transformation machinery lives? Or is the PDFtalk just being used as an example for how to do a massive transformation? Or Both? To transform Values do: âPharo100 fileOutValuesâ The [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package includes the latest Values transformations. I am thinking about a better modularizationâ¦ Also, the wiki is a bit out of control. It really needs some restructuring. In the cites wiki page, there is a link to a blog where I record the changes. This might be informative. 2. Port the Values package. This is easy, since no namespaces are involved. This first instruction after VW package setup says to port the contents of the Values package from VW to Pharo. Do you mean manually? Probably not. No, no. This has been finished in March. For each dialect, I have a GitHub repository where I release important versions: <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk> https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk. You can find the working port as first release â <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk/releases/tag/1.3.0.0> Working versionâ. There you can download the ported Values fileout with the exact description with which versions of what it was created. This should be a good starting example. Why do I need any new code installed in Pharo before I begin the transformation, if Iâm transforming code from VW to pharo? Iâm not understanding the basic constraints of the problem, even when the detailed steps are clear. Iâve done these steps so far: 1. Went to <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk> https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk. 2. Saved down PDFtalk.Pharo100.st into <my Pharo 10 image directory>/pharo-local/Smalltalk-Transformation. (I figured that was a good place to save it. If anyone disagrees, or has a better or more conventional idea about where files should be saved, please say so. I setup a Pharo Git repo and played with it briefly for the first time yesterday. Iâve used Pharo off an on for 16 years, but this is the first time Iâm making a serious effort to manage source, and not throw away what Iâm working on.) 3. Filed-in PDFtalk.Pharo100.st. This went on for about 7 minutes or so. I have a hundreds if not over a thousand classes showing in Epicea. Is there anyway to get Epicea to give me a count of changes with a time-range filter? 4. Deleted (forgot) yesterdayâs, old Main practice-repo from both the image and the drive, and made a new one. I need to add to Main all the packages I just filed-in, but I donât see an efficient way to do that. I would like to use the Add Package button, but this gives a filtered list of available packages. I can filter subgroups, and then individually select each of the checkboxes to the left of each package (there is no Ctrl-A [select all] option here, which seems to be a strange omission given the potentially large number of packages involved). I see lots of prefixes for the classes just loaded. I could easily miss something if I filter/select/add one prefix-group at a time. Is there an easier way? Over in Epicea I donât see a way to push the loaded items listed to a specific repo. The first thought I have is to select all filed-in code artifacts by datetime span. I did that and saved it as an .ombu file (I have no idea what that is). I donât see a way to import that .ombu file into repo Mainâs âWorking copyâ window. It must be easy, but I donât see it. Please suggest the best way. I feel like Iâve missed the main details of how to start the transformation. Iâd like to do a small fully contained test package with no external dependencies as a first test, probably my Magnitude or Collection packages. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks for doing this and sharing it. If I may suggest, I would look at the transformations on the class side of the SmalltalkTransform.Pharo class: methods #ValuesProject and #PDFtalkProject (I know, some would detest, that I start methods sometimes with a capital letterâ¦). I used to be this way. Iâm okay with it now, and actually have selectors that are completely capitalized Acronyms. Times change. To get a feel for the machinery, you could debug through âPharo100 fileOutValuesâ (for Pharo 10.0). This will be my next step, but Iâm trying to understand the big picture of dependencies. The file-in was clean. I want to commit that before moving on. As said, Values donât use namespaces. To see what is involved there, you could look at #PDFtalkProject for the name mapping. But beware! The PDFtalk transformation is not finished yet. Still, you could get some inspiration and can probably reuse some of the rules. Great that you are trying to use the transformation project. The more use, the better it should get. Please share your questions and insights (and successes :)). Iâve been looking for a tool like this for many years. Thanks again. Shaping From: christian.haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 June, 2022 05:42 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] [PDFtalk] second fileOut for Squeak and Pharo With help from the community some issues were fixed which improved the test statistics nicely. Check it out: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=portingblog#second_pdftalk_fileout_for_… Thanks to everybody involved! Happy hacking, Christian

Aug. 4, 2022

Re: [Pharo-users] Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo

by Shaping

Hi Hi. If in the process you discover easy changes on the pharo side that can be either integrated in Pharo or packages from the Pharo side to help migration let us know. Sure. Iâm working thru several things in parallel: Christianâs Smalltalk Transformation/PDFtalk thing;, Spec2 as a way to save me from VWâs Wrapper, Willow as a way to do nice web-based graphics similar to whatâs done in Roassal, but with D3. Iâm posting my progress/problems here and in Pharo Discord. We would like to help but we are really really super full. I tried to help to package values but I did not understand the process (I know the pharo way for sure to define baseline). Now a part of the team is really concentrated to improve the VM (we would like to have a 1.5 speed up) That would be great. On that note, is anyone else following Dave Masonâs Zag effort: https://github.com/dvmason/Zag-Smalltalk Iâm looking for speed and deterministic latencies (think rigorous temporal testing, microcontrollers/IoT). This is why I brought up the subject of Mistâs bin-based, move-less GC algorithm, which looks not only very fast, but also very predictable within narrow timing marginsâhence the attraction. Dave seems to be working by himself with a grad student who is still coming up to speed on Zag. How do we combine efforts? but it requires work and concentration. We are also working on permanent space and better memory management thanks for lifeware sponsoring. Still let us know. Shaping about the spec questions esteban is on vacation and when he will reappear he will check the libgit change impacting us. Then the spec aspects. Iâm trying to get by with the smaller fonts for labels and an 11 pt. Fira Code in the code pane. That doesnât cause labels to overlap input fields, which is the big ergo-problem I see everywhere in Pharo if you want to up font size even a little, use a monospaced font, and use the same font everywhere. I suppose we need a re-do of certain GUIâs in Spec2 such that we have resizable columns for labels. All of that is doable but is some work. The situation makes me think that doing Pharo completely as a web app (with Willow) makes the most sense if you want low-effort, painless, elastic imaging so that your fonts are always the right size, whether you are 18â from your monitor or two to three feet from an array of six monitors. Iâm just starting with Willow. I donât have a good feel for the speed of rendering yet. Maybe someone can comment on this. Shaping On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:03, Shaping <shaping(a)uurda.org <mailto:shaping@uurda.org> > wrote: Hi Christian. Iâm trying to port from VW 8.3 to Pharo. Is there a detailed algorithm in addition to the Workflow section mentioned here?: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=pdftalknonnamespacefileout 1. generate the source for the target dialect from VisualWorks with the defined code transformations. Fix problems so that there are no errors or warnings. â¦ How does one generate the source (run the transformation)? Where are the aforementioned âdefined code transformationsâ, Is there an example of how to setup the declarative template needed to map VW namespace names to Pharo class prefixes? I loaded the following packages into my VW 8.3 image: Values Project Values Values Fileout Pharo Values Testing Values Tools Values Tools Testing Pharo Fileout Values Pharo Transform Smalltalk Transform Project Smalltalk Transform TestBundle Smalltalk Transform Tests Smalltalk Transform Smalltalk Transform Model Smalltalk Transform Testing Smalltalk Transform TestPackage Smalltalk Transform Tools Any package not updated recently (in the last few months) I didnât load. Did I miss anything? 2. Port the Values package. This is easy, since no namespaces are involved. This first instruction after VW package setup says to port the contents of the Values package from VW to Pharo. Do you mean manually? Probably not. I feel like Iâve missed the main details of how to start the transformation. Iâd like to do a small fully contained test package with no external dependencies as a first test, probably my Magnitude or Collection packages. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks for doing this and sharing it. Shaping From: christian.haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 June, 2022 05:42 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] [PDFtalk] second fileOut for Squeak and Pharo With help from the community some issues were fixed which improved the test statistics nicely. Check it out: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=portingblog#second_pdftalk_fileout_for_… Thanks to everybody involved! Happy hacking, Christian

Aug. 4, 2022

Re: [Pharo-users] Re: FW: Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo

by Shaping

[â¦] How does one generate the source (run the transformation)? Where are the aforementioned âdefined code transformationsâ, Is there an example of how to setup the declarative template needed to map VW namespace names to Pharo class prefixes? I loaded the following packages into my VW 8.3 image: Values Project Yes Values Values Fileout Pharo Values Testing Values Tools Values Tools Testing Automatic Load PDFtalk Project bundle. Since the main target is PDFtalk. Values (and PostScript) are just bycatch. Pharo Fileout Values No, this package has been renamed to [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk]. Load this. Pharo Transform No, not separate. This is part of the Transform Project. Smalltalk Transform Project Yes Smalltalk Transform TestBundle Smalltalk Transform Tests Smalltalk Transform Smalltalk Transform Model Smalltalk Transform Testing Smalltalk Transform TestPackage Smalltalk Transform Tools Automatic Yes, I just loaded the head packages and the dependencies were also loaded. Thanks for trimming that down for me. Any package not updated recently (in the last few months) I didnât load. Did I miss anything? Yes. The ideal setup from a virgin image Ok. I donât have a virgin image. I have a very non-virgin image, about 27 years of development Iâm trying to port to Pharo. I donât yet have a specific interest in the PDFtalk, though I do see a need for PDF generation later, and will probably revisit that. For now, I just want my own stuff to run in Pharo. is: Load {Values Project] bundle Load {PDFtalk Project} bundle Load {Smalltalk Transform Project} bundle Load [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package Save, done Okay, so do I understand correctly that I need to include the PDFtalk stuff even if Iâm not interested in PDFtalk, because thatâs where a lot of the Smalltalk transformation machinery lives? Or is the PDFtalk just being used as an example for how to do a massive transformation? Or Both? To transform Values do: âPharo100 fileOutValuesâ The [Pharo Fileout PDFtalk] package includes the latest Values transformations. I am thinking about a better modularizationâ¦ Also, the wiki is a bit out of control. It really needs some restructuring. In the cites wiki page, there is a link to a blog where I record the changes. This might be informative. 2. Port the Values package. This is easy, since no namespaces are involved. This first instruction after VW package setup says to port the contents of the Values package from VW to Pharo. Do you mean manually? Probably not. No, no. This has been finished in March. For each dialect, I have a GitHub repository where I release important versions: <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk> https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk. You can find the working port as first release â <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk/releases/tag/1.3.0.0> Working versionâ. There you can download the ported Values fileout with the exact description with which versions of what it was created. This should be a good starting example. Why do I need any new code installed in Pharo before I begin the transformation, if Iâm transforming code from VW to pharo? Iâm not understanding the basic constraints of the problem, even when the detailed steps are clear. Iâve done these steps so far: 1. Went to <https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk> https://github.com/PortingPDFtalk/PharoPDFtalk. 2. Saved down PDFtalk.Pharo100.st into <my Pharo 10 image directory>/pharo-local/Smalltalk-Transformation. (I figured that was a good place to save it. If anyone disagrees, or has a better or more conventional idea about where files should be saved, please say so. I setup a Pharo Git repo and played with it briefly for the first time yesterday. Iâve used Pharo off an on for 16 years, but this is the first time Iâm making a serious effort to manage source, and not throw away what Iâm working on.) 3. Filed-in PDFtalk.Pharo100.st. This went on for about 7 minutes or so. I have a hundreds if not over a thousand classes showing in Epicea. Is there anyway to get Epicea to give me a count of changes with a time-range filter? 4. Deleted (forgot) yesterdayâs, old Main practice-repo from both the image and the drive, and made a new one. I need to add to Main all the packages I just filed-in, but I donât see an efficient way to do that. I would like to use the Add Package button, but this gives a filtered list of available packages. I can filter subgroups, and then individually select each of the checkboxes to the left of each package (there is no Ctrl-A [select all] option here, which seems to be a strange omission given the potentially large number of packages involved). I see lots of prefixes for the classes just loaded. I could easily miss something if I filter/select/add one prefix-group at a time. Is there an easier way? Over in Epicea I donât see a way to push the loaded items listed to a specific repo. The first thought I have is to select all filed-in code artifacts by datetime span. I did that and saved it as an .ombu file (I have no idea what that is). I donât see a way to import that .ombu file into repo Mainâs âWorking copyâ window. It must be easy, but I donât see it. Please suggest the best way. I feel like Iâve missed the main details of how to start the transformation. Iâd like to do a small fully contained test package with no external dependencies as a first test, probably my Magnitude or Collection packages. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks for doing this and sharing it. If I may suggest, I would look at the transformations on the class side of the SmalltalkTransform.Pharo class: methods #ValuesProject and #PDFtalkProject (I know, some would detest, that I start methods sometimes with a capital letterâ¦). I used to be this way. Iâm okay with it now, and actually have selectors that are completely capitalized Acronyms. Times change. To get a feel for the machinery, you could debug through âPharo100 fileOutValuesâ (for Pharo 10.0). This will be my next step, but Iâm trying to understand the big picture of dependencies. The file-in was clean. I want to commit that before moving on. As said, Values donât use namespaces. To see what is involved there, you could look at #PDFtalkProject for the name mapping. But beware! The PDFtalk transformation is not finished yet. Still, you could get some inspiration and can probably reuse some of the rules. Great that you are trying to use the transformation project. The more use, the better it should get. Please share your questions and insights (and successes :)). Iâve been looking for a tool like this for many years. Thanks again. Shaping From: christian.haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 June, 2022 05:42 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] [PDFtalk] second fileOut for Squeak and Pharo With help from the community some issues were fixed which improved the test statistics nicely. Check it out: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=portingblog#second_pdftalk_fileout_for_… Thanks to everybody involved! Happy hacking, Christian

Aug. 4, 2022

Re: [Pharo-users] Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo

by stephane ducasse

Hi If in the process you discover easy changes on the pharo side that can be either integrated in Pharo or packages from the Pharo side to help migration let us know. We would like to help but we are really really super full. I tried to help to package values but I did not understand the process (I know the pharo way for sure to define baseline). Now a part of the team is really concentrated to improve the VM (we would like to have a 1.5 speed up) but it requires work and concentration. We are also working on permanent space and better memory management thanks for lifeware sponsoring. Still let us know. Shaping about the spec questions esteban is on vacation and when he will reappear he will check the libgit change impacting us. Then the spec aspects. S > On 3 Aug 2022, at 16:03, Shaping <shaping(a)uurda.org> wrote: > > Hi Christian. > > Iâm trying to port from VW 8.3 to Pharo. Is there a detailed algorithm in addition to the Workflow section mentioned here?: > > https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=pdftalknonnamespacefileout <https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=pdftalknonnamespacefileout> > > generate the source for the target dialect from VisualWorks with the defined code transformations. Fix problems so that there are no errors or warnings. > â¦ > > How does one generate the source (run the transformation)? Where are the aforementioned âdefined code transformationsâ, Is there an example of how to setup the declarative template needed to map VW namespace names to Pharo class prefixes? > > I loaded the following packages into my VW 8.3 image: > > Values Project > Values > Values Fileout Pharo > Values Testing > Values Tools > Values Tools Testing > > Pharo Fileout Values > Pharo Transform > > Smalltalk Transform Project > Smalltalk Transform TestBundle > Smalltalk Transform Tests > Smalltalk Transform > Smalltalk Transform Model > Smalltalk Transform Testing > Smalltalk Transform TestPackage > Smalltalk Transform Tools > > Any package not updated recently (in the last few months) I didnât load. > Did I miss anything? > 2. Port the Values package. This is easy, since no namespaces are involved. > > > This first instruction after VW package setup says to port the contents of the Values package from VW to Pharo. Do you mean manually? Probably not. > > I feel like Iâve missed the main details of how to start the transformation. Iâd like to do a small fully contained test package with no external dependencies as a first test, probably my Magnitude or Collection packages. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks for doing this and sharing it. > > Shaping > > From: christian.haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 June, 2022 05:42 > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-users] [PDFtalk] second fileOut for Squeak and Pharo > > With help from the community some issues were fixed which improved the test statistics nicely. > Check it out: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=portingblog#second_pdftalk_fileout_for_… <https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=portingblog#second_pdftalk_fileout_for_…> > > Thanks to everybody involved! > > Happy hacking, > Christian

Aug. 3, 2022

FW: [Pharo-users] Porting from VW 8.3 to Pharo

by Shaping

Hi Christian. Iâm trying to port from VW 8.3 to Pharo. Is there a detailed algorithm in addition to the Workflow section mentioned here?: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=pdftalknonnamespacefileout 1. generate the source for the target dialect from VisualWorks with the defined code transformations. Fix problems so that there are no errors or warnings. â¦ How does one generate the source (run the transformation)? Where are the aforementioned âdefined code transformationsâ, Is there an example of how to setup the declarative template needed to map VW namespace names to Pharo class prefixes? I loaded the following packages into my VW 8.3 image: Values Project Values Values Fileout Pharo Values Testing Values Tools Values Tools Testing Pharo Fileout Values Pharo Transform Smalltalk Transform Project Smalltalk Transform TestBundle Smalltalk Transform Tests Smalltalk Transform Smalltalk Transform Model Smalltalk Transform Testing Smalltalk Transform TestPackage Smalltalk Transform Tools Any package not updated recently (in the last few months) I didnât load. Did I miss anything? 2. Port the Values package. This is easy, since no namespaces are involved. This first instruction after VW package setup says to port the contents of the Values package from VW to Pharo. Do you mean manually? Probably not. I feel like Iâve missed the main details of how to start the transformation. Iâd like to do a small fully contained test package with no external dependencies as a first test, probably my Magnitude or Collection packages. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks for doing this and sharing it. Shaping From: christian.haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 June, 2022 05:42 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] [PDFtalk] second fileOut for Squeak and Pharo With help from the community some issues were fixed which improved the test statistics nicely. Check it out: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=portingblog#second_pdftalk_fileout_for_… Thanks to everybody involved! Happy hacking, Christian

Aug. 3, 2022

Re: [Compiler] Variables in DoIts

by Guillermo Polito

Wow, I think thatâs super cool!! And a worthy direction to explore. Having the surrounding code would give developers a lot more context!! > El 24 jul 2022, a las 20:47, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > > Hi. > > ÑÐ±, 25 Ð¸ÑÐ½. 2022 Ð³. Ð² 13:48, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>>: > Iâd suggest, for further improvement (but not blocking), that Iâd like to see the entire code and context of the do-it context. > Just showing the selected text makes one lose context. > Instead, it would be super cool to show the entire context + code of where the selection was done, and that the program counter is set where the selection was set. > > Of course, now that Iâm thinking about it, I would wonder how to resolve when to *stop*. > > In theory we can highlight the code from the full outer context as something inactive or we can try to draw the border over a selection. > I did a little experiment but it does not look good. And I am not sure how useful it will be: > > <shadowDoIt.png> > > >

July 25, 2022

Re: [Compiler] Variables in DoIts

by Denis Kudriashov

Hi. ÑÐ±, 25 Ð¸ÑÐ½. 2022 Ð³. Ð² 13:48, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com>: > Iâd suggest, for further improvement (but not blocking), that Iâd like to > see the entire code and context of the do-it context. > Just showing the selected text makes one lose context. > Instead, it would be super cool to show the entire context + code of where > the selection was done, and that the program counter is set where the > selection was set. > > Of course, now that Iâm thinking about it, I would wonder how to resolve > when to *stop*. > In theory we can highlight the code from the full outer context as something inactive or we can try to draw the border over a selection. I did a little experiment but it does not look good. And I am not sure how useful it will be: [image: shadowDoIt.png]

July 24, 2022

Re: [Compiler] Variables in DoIts

by Marcus Denker

The next steo of this has been merged: we now evaluate DoIt methods in a way that we do not - need a method header - need to transfrom the AST for adding a return See the (now merged) PR of Denis here: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/11463 This means that DoiT evaluation does not rely on the parse tree rewriter and does not need to be pretty-printed anymore. (which dies speed up #evaluate:, too). The screenshot shows code from a Playground, setting a playground binding a to 1, then a temp b to 2, then it enters the debugger due to the #halt. In the debugger we can read a and b, and we can eval âb haltâ to see that what used to be a âDoItIn:â accessing b via the context now looks just like the code that we executed from the first debugger: > On 24 Jun 2022, at 13:51, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Hi, > > We finally merged a PR form Denis (Sorry for taking too longâ¦) that enables the use of DoitVariable in DoItIn: methods: > > > <Dionisiydk_2022-Jun-23.jpeg> > Denis: #pharo has finally transparent variables in the debugger doIts. No ThisContext readVariable trick > > And we could even get rid of #DoItIn:, after merging another small cleanup, both methods now is just #DoIt as a selector. > > How does it work? > > Denis: It is the power of first class variables. There is DoItVariable fully integrated now which represents variables from different context > > Marcus: DoitVariable has the original Variable instance and the context (what used to the ThisContext parameter of DoItIn:). It can be read reflectively by sending #read, compiler delegates code generation to the Variables (#emitValue:) > > <DoItVariable.png>

July 21, 2022