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Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I know :) Now I have so many dreams that I just do not want to start any of them before I finish. finish what should be finished. About cypress if we could replace .json but .ston I would be happier And if we could save coral syntax for method even better. Stef On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote: > Stef, > > I agree ... my intent is to make it possible for individual projects to make the "git/github or not decision". Git/github support will be built into the next release of Metacello and will make it possible for folks who don't have the time to learn git to still use projects hosted by github. > > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > | Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 7:10:40 AM > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub > | > | Guys > | > | I'm sorry to tell you that but I personally do not have 5 min of > | energy for GIT for pharo 2.0 > | I want to focus my energy on finishing the tasks we decided a while > | ago. > | Personally a working Squeaksource is good enough for now. > | > | Stef > | > | > | >

July 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] backspace does not work in latest 2.0

by Benjamin

Can someone confirm, because it's working for me (in 20182) Thanks in advance, Ben On Jul 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > in nautilus > > Stef >

July 4, 2012

[Pharo-project] backspace does not work in latest 2.0

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

in nautilus Stef

July 4, 2012

[Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

ASZoomerMorph new svg: 'Coche_ok_verte.svg' zoom: 0.1; openInWorld Alex this is the example I was talking to you about. Igor this is strange when I executed the athens image in which you hacked the animation on the latest NBCog vm it crashes. Do you know where I can find the latest Athens friendly vm? Stef

July 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 04 Jul 2012, at 18:24, Dale Henrichs wrote: > FS-Git will not monkey with the format of the data stored on disk ... it will be able to support FileTree format ... FS-Git gives you control over git from within your image ... direct commits to your git repository from the MonticelloBrowser for example... OK. I understand, that would be cool. not to have to go to the terminal and have all those git commands be done automagically ;-)

July 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Setting MC cache directory (was renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > On 2012-07-04, at 17:36, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > > > Camillo wrote: > >> Here in lille almost everybody sets up symlinks to have a single shared > >> instance of a package-cache :) > > > > This should be part of the past if issue #6260 is integrated (see [1]) > > The monkey is here no very helpful for the fix - since it laments on > > test that were red before and sets the issue state to WorkNeeded. > > I'll put ben on it to see what the problem with the monkey is. > > We run tests twice, the second run should be in a clean image (not where the first run was done). Is it like that now? > once before and once after loading to avoid issues with > existing failing tests, so this behavior is rather strange :) > > > Any real person able to review and integrate it? > > > > There is also Marianos solution, see [2] > > > > Bye > > T. > > > > [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6260 > > [2] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2012-July/067083.html > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

July 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

by Dale Henrichs

Sven, It's actually Cami and Max that are doing the work ... The sequence of events as I seem them are: 1. git compatible package format (Cypress/FileTree) ... DONE 2. Metacello support for git/github (in progress) 3. in-image support for git operations (in progress) There are a handful of folks who have already started using FileTree/git/github for their projects. I am a week or so away from a preview release of Metacello support for git/github (including the Metacello scripting api). I frankly haven't had the time to work with the Fs-Git stuff. but once I've got Metacello git/github aware I will be able to raise my head up and look around:) Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> | To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 7:44:18 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub | | | Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote | > | > That is my point exactly: it is not that it is difficult, but you | > have to | > work in two environments (image/terminal/git-app) and be extra | > careful not | > to make mistakes (like saving two versions locally without | > committing). | > | | This is just a temporary situation. Dale is working on git | integration with | the image... | | -- | View this message in context: | http://forum.world.st/renggli-mirror-created-on-smalltalkhub-tp4638011p4638… | Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. | |

July 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

by Dale Henrichs

Stef, I agree ... my intent is to make it possible for individual projects to make the "git/github or not decision". Git/github support will be built into the next release of Metacello and will make it possible for folks who don't have the time to learn git to still use projects hosted by github. Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 7:10:40 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub | | Guys | | I'm sorry to tell you that but I personally do not have 5 min of | energy for GIT for pharo 2.0 | I want to focus my energy on finishing the tasks we decided a while | ago. | Personally a working Squeaksource is good enough for now. | | Stef | | |

July 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

by Dale Henrichs

Dennis, The work that Cami, Max and I are doing leverages Monticello - Monticello is beautiful... only the external storage format is being replaced ... swapping out .mcz files for Cypress package structure.... by replacing a zip file with git we are gaining the power of git (distributed scm ... the whole repository copied when you 'clone') without giving up the advantages of the Monticello package structure. Once we are using git, we can leverage the power of GitHub ... Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Dennis Schetinin" <chaetal(a)gmail.com> | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 6:34:39 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub | | | "MC is not good enough" and "We should use Git" are a bit different | thoughts. If MC is not good enough we should improve it or create | better tools, but (for me) Git seems to be a wrong direction for | that. I've tried to explain in another message why. | | | | | | Best regards, | Dennis Schetinin | Sent with Sparrow | | | | On Wednesday, 4 July 2012 Ð³. at 16:17, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: | | | | | Hi, | | No, what is wrong is considering monticello itself an object oriented | control management system. Right now MC does not provides anything | that can be thought as that... even more, MC does not provides | anything better than current CMS around... | So, what we have now is an old CMS, and a lot of tools trying to be | compatible with that old system. Imagine if GIT would tried to be | compatible with CVS... and to create an object control management is | a considerable effort, no one want to do, and probably pointless... | at least right now. | | | best, | Esteban | | | | | | On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Dennis Schetinin wrote: | | | | | Am I wrong considering migration to Git-or-AnythingElseTextOriented | to be a give up on hopes for a real object-oriented source | control/management as it could and should be in Smalltalk? | | | | Best regards, | Dennis Schetinin | Sent with Sparrow | | | | On Wednesday, 4 July 2012 Ð³. at 16:02, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: | | | | | | | | On 04 Jul 2012, at 13:50, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: | | | | | | I am using Mercurial for all of the other projects and technologies. | | | With a full copy of everything locally, it helps indeed when we get | crashes... | | | But GIT/Hg isn't giving you the change sorter. | | | I have used/tried FileTree/Git(hub) a bit and it is cool and it | works. | But I do miss (tools) integration in the image. | The workflow also changes a bit, it is no longer all Smalltalk. | | | IMHO it is not yet quite ready. | | | Sven | | | | |

July 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

by Dale Henrichs

Dennis, If you look at the Cypress format[1] (used by FileTree), it is the Monticello package structure "serialized to disk". Reading the Cypress format from disk is no different than materializing the Monticello package structure from an .mcz file. So any program that an reason about the definitions from an .mcz file can reason about the definitions from the Cypress format. Cypress format may look like text, but to me I see Smalltalk objects:) Dale [1] https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/Cypress/blob/master/img/CypressStructure-S… ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Dennis Schetinin" <chaetal(a)gmail.com> | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 6:29:40 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub | | | On Wednesday, 4 July 2012 Ð³. at 16:11, Damien Cassou wrote: | | | | | On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Dennis Schetinin < chaetal(a)gmail.com | > wrote: | | | | Am I wrong considering migration to Git-or-AnythingElseTextOriented | to be a | give up on hopes for a real object-oriented source control/management | as it | could and should be in Smalltalk? | | | can you think of any feature we could have now we couldn't with Git? | I didn't say "now", I talked about "hopes". E.g. hopes for "Source" | Control Tool being aware of refactorings and other *operations* I | apply to my program, instead of treating it as a plain text with | some changes of unknown nature. I'm not sure it's possible right now | (I know it's not, better to say?). But with a Smalltalk-based source | control we can have it on one splendid day in the future. And I | think on the Git way we'll finish with just some advanced | text-comparison algorithms. No? | | | | Best regards, | Dennis Schetinin | Sent with Sparrow

July 4, 2012