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Re: [Pharo-project] Magritte 2 or 3

by Philippe Marschall

On 07/05/2012 12:02 PM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > Hi all, > > anyone has a copy of the Magritte repository ? I want to do a demo of Magritte. > I know that all Lukas repository are down now. We have to do something about Lukas moving apartments. Every time he does it it's a major disruption to this community. We can't continue like this. We should buy him a van with a satellite dish. Cheers Philippe

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Magritte 2 or 3

by Serge Stinckwich

Sorry I see the previous messages in the mailing-list. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > anyone has a copy of the Magritte repository ? I want to do a demo of Magritte. > I know that all Lukas repository are down now. > > Regards, > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

July 5, 2012

[Pharo-project] Magritte 2 or 3

by Serge Stinckwich

Hi all, anyone has a copy of the Magritte repository ? I want to do a demo of Magritte. I know that all Lukas repository are down now. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by Fernando Olivero

Hi Stef, here's a link to a working Athens + Cairo image. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22215979/PharoImages/Athens-04-07.zip I've recommend following the steps posted by Igor, to have the latests version. But this one is generated from the build and repo of yesterday + the path to the library hack. Fernando On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 July 2012 11:55, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 5 July 2012 11:48, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 5 July 2012 11:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>>> >>>>> ok.. >>>>> >>>>> 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again >>>>> (if in fresh image).. >>>>> >>>>> 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that >>>>> with Esteban, >>>>> neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. >>>>> lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ >>>> >>>> Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) >>>> >>>> Stef >>> >>> ok, the latest VM build seems to be working. >>> what i did: >>> 1. download VM [ >>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/28/ar… >>> ] >>> 2. downloaded 2.0 image >>> 3. loaded ConfigurationOfAthens >>> >>> 4. doit: ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '1.2.1' >>> >>> 5: doit: AthensFlakeDemo new openInWorld >>> >>> and it works , as in here: https://vimeo.com/45137985 >>> >>> :) >>> >> and then i loaded >> ConfigurationOfXMLSupport from config browser, > > ah, yes.. missing "loaded Athens-SVG" step here ... > > >> filed in the >> ASAnimation.st >> then >> ASZoomerMorph.st >> >> and then did >> >> ASZoomerMorph new >> svg: 'Coche_ok_verte.svg' zoom: 0.1; >> openInWorld >> >> and here what i got (see attached) >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)

by phil＠highoctane.be

It's Pharo Smalltalk 2012/7/5 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> > > On 05 Jul 2012, at 11:44, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > On 05. 07. 2012 11:07, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Helene Bilbo wrote: > > > >>> And i ask, > >>> because the first line on the Pharo homepage says itâs: > >>> "Smalltalk-inspiredâ. > > > >> The idea is that if Pharo is Smalltak, it will always be Smalltalk. We > can not move > >> on. If it is Smalltalk Inspired, we can take the *ideas* behind > Smalltalk and seriously > >> move forward. > >> > >> E.g. take the Slots. Smalltalk has no first class Slots, Pharo will. If > Pharo would *be* Smalltalk > >> it could not. > > > > Why not rather move all Smalltalk forward instead? Good ideas from Pharo > > should be communicated to other Smalltalks. And vice versa - good ideas > > from other Smalltalks should be studied and put in Pharo. But Pharo > > should stay Smalltalk, not 'Smalltalk inspired'. > > > > Please, don't divide Smalltalk community but act as much as possible in > > joint spirit! Which of course doesn't mean that moving forward is > > necessary. And I also don't see why you cannot move forward and stay > > Smalltalk? Certainly not from a Slots example. > > > > If Pharo will try to distance from Smalltalk rather than contribute and > > improve it, I'm sure many of us will rethink if Pharo is worth > > supporting or not. > > But you have to read what Marcus said: Smalltalk could be and/or is > defined by Smalltalk-80 and an ANSI spec. If we say that Pharo conforms to > that, any of the very useful improvements being proposed will always be > stopped in their tracks because the changes are not compatible with these > old defacto standards. Pharo was started explicitely to avoid that. > > For most casual observers I think it will remain Smalltalk. > > Sven > -- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges Belgium

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 July 2012 11:55, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 July 2012 11:48, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 5 July 2012 11:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>>> ok.. >>>> >>>> 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again >>>> (if in fresh image).. >>>> >>>> 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that >>>> with Esteban, >>>> neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. >>>> lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ >>> >>> Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) >>> >>> Stef >> >> ok, the latest VM build seems to be working. >> what i did: >> 1. download VM [ >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/28/ar… >> ] >> 2. downloaded 2.0 image >> 3. loaded ConfigurationOfAthens >> >> 4. doit: ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '1.2.1' >> >> 5: doit: AthensFlakeDemo new openInWorld >> >> and it works , as in here: https://vimeo.com/45137985 >> >> :) >> > and then i loaded > ConfigurationOfXMLSupport from config browser, ah, yes.. missing "loaded Athens-SVG" step here ... > filed in the > ASAnimation.st > then > ASZoomerMorph.st > > and then did > > ASZoomerMorph new > svg: 'Coche_ok_verte.svg' zoom: 0.1; > openInWorld > > and here what i got (see attached) > > >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 05 Jul 2012, at 11:44, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > Hi guys, > > On 05. 07. 2012 11:07, Marcus Denker wrote: >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Helene Bilbo wrote: > >>> And i ask, >>> because the first line on the Pharo homepage says itâs: >>> "Smalltalk-inspiredâ. > >> The idea is that if Pharo is Smalltak, it will always be Smalltalk. We can not move >> on. If it is Smalltalk Inspired, we can take the *ideas* behind Smalltalk and seriously >> move forward. >> >> E.g. take the Slots. Smalltalk has no first class Slots, Pharo will. If Pharo would *be* Smalltalk >> it could not. > > Why not rather move all Smalltalk forward instead? Good ideas from Pharo > should be communicated to other Smalltalks. And vice versa - good ideas > from other Smalltalks should be studied and put in Pharo. But Pharo > should stay Smalltalk, not 'Smalltalk inspired'. > > Please, don't divide Smalltalk community but act as much as possible in > joint spirit! Which of course doesn't mean that moving forward is > necessary. And I also don't see why you cannot move forward and stay > Smalltalk? Certainly not from a Slots example. > > If Pharo will try to distance from Smalltalk rather than contribute and > improve it, I'm sure many of us will rethink if Pharo is worth > supporting or not. But you have to read what Marcus said: Smalltalk could be and/or is defined by Smalltalk-80 and an ANSI spec. If we say that Pharo conforms to that, any of the very useful improvements being proposed will always be stopped in their tracks because the changes are not compatible with these old defacto standards. Pharo was started explicitely to avoid that. For most casual observers I think it will remain Smalltalk. Sven

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 July 2012 11:48, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 July 2012 11:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> ok.. >>> >>> 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again >>> (if in fresh image).. >>> >>> 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that >>> with Esteban, >>> neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. >>> lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ >> >> Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) >> >> Stef > > ok, the latest VM build seems to be working. > what i did: > 1. download VM [ > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/28/ar… > ] > 2. downloaded 2.0 image > 3. loaded ConfigurationOfAthens > > 4. doit: ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '1.2.1' > > 5: doit: AthensFlakeDemo new openInWorld > > and it works , as in here: https://vimeo.com/45137985 > > :) > and then i loaded ConfigurationOfXMLSupport from config browser, filed in the ASAnimation.st then ASZoomerMorph.st and then did ASZoomerMorph new svg: 'Coche_ok_verte.svg' zoom: 0.1; openInWorld and here what i got (see attached) > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)

by Damien Cassou

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > Why not rather move all Smalltalk forward instead? Good ideas from Pharo > should be communicated to other Smalltalks. And vice versa - good ideas > from other Smalltalks should be studied and put in Pharo. But Pharo > should stay Smalltalk, not 'Smalltalk inspired'. I think we just don't all have the definition of "Smalltalk". If "Smalltalk" means the ANSI standard then Pharo will take the spririt of Smalltalk but won't be a Smalltalk anymore as it won't be compatible with the standard. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

July 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens Mac os doc like animation

by Igor Stasenko

On 5 July 2012 11:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> ok.. >> >> 1. fixed FFI dependency, just try to load same config of athens over again >> (if in fresh image).. >> >> 2. the plugin search path change was not committed, we checked that >> with Esteban, >> neither NBCog, nor vanilla Cog VMs see freetype plugin.. >> lets wait till jenkins produce a new VM buildsâ¦ > > Ok I really want to have fun with athens so tell when this is ok :) > > Stef ok, the latest VM build seems to be working. what i did: 1. download VM [ https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/28/ar… ] 2. downloaded 2.0 image 3. loaded ConfigurationOfAthens 4. doit: ConfigurationOfAthens loadVersion: '1.2.1' 5: doit: AthensFlakeDemo new openInWorld and it works , as in here: https://vimeo.com/45137985 :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

July 5, 2012