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Re: [Pharo-project] nativeboost google groups

by Esteban Lorenzano

well.. I more or less agree with Torsten (even if I already subscribed): component parts of Pharo should be kept together, otherwise... why not to create a group for mophic, for zinc, for filesystem, etc.? jutst to have a nice header? do you know you have some rules that you can apply to auto-label mails? :) On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:15 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > subscribe and you're done, > > the thing you get for Free is a decent title in the message in your mail client. > For me that saves a couple of second on each mail to check about what it is. > > > On 2013-01-29, at 08:40, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > >> I dislike outsourcing it to a google group. NB is now part of the image >> and the discussion should be here as well. > > valid point. but then again, we will anyway allways announce changes made by > NativeBoost automatically via the update mails. > > Besides, the issue tracker is also no longer in the mailinglist, which is essentially > the heart of development? How do you argue in favor of that? > >> Otherwise we end up with too many places nobody will be able >> to follow or find... > > invalid point: > well then the INRIA mailing lists are the worst place since they don't have > a proper index either. the only thing that get's indexed is the mapped forum > on http://forum.world.st/ > >> Please close the group since it adds more confusion. > > nah, my personal opinion outweighs, besides you're always free to not use it...

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Issue Tracker] [Action Needed] Show Stoppers 2.0

by Marcus Denker

On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello. > > Just want to notice issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6885 > It about hanging image when it can not load fonts. > > If it will not fixed in 2.0 release I think many non latin users will have many bad words about pharo when they can't move their images on different computers. Images with loaded specific fonts can't start on computers which not have it (or placed in different directories). > > I was wait somebody with fonts knowledge look at this issue. I'm sure it is not difficult problem. Now when nobody solve it I will try fix it by myself. There are two solutions: 1) decide which issues are needed to be fixed and fixable, fix them and release 2) Do not decide, claim that "only a perfect release is a good release", and *never* release. Marcus

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Issue Tracker] [Action Needed] Show Stoppers 2.0

by Denis Kudriashov

Hello. Just want to notice issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6885 It about hanging image when it can not load fonts. If it will not fixed in 2.0 release I think many non latin users will have many bad words about pharo when they can't move their images on different computers. Images with loaded specific fonts can't start on computers which not have it (or placed in different directories). I was wait somebody with fonts knowledge look at this issue. I'm sure it is not difficult problem. Now when nobody solve it I will try fix it by myself. 2013/1/29 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > Hi, > > We should stat to get serious to evaluate the remaining issues that are > tagged 2.0. > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone%3D2.0 > > Which of the are true show stoppers? This means, is the issue of a > severity that, > just for this single issue, we can not release 2.0? > > By definition, all problems that are already in 1.4 do not qualify for > this, as we > did already release 1.4 and the world did not stop spinning. > > The same is for "nice to have" issues. "It would be nice if.." is not a > show stopper. > > Marcus >

Jan. 29, 2013

[Pharo-project] Monticello class V.S. classSide

by Damien Cassou

What is the difference between 'class' and 'classSide'? We believe this is one symptom of a major problem -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] nativeboost google groups

by Camillo Bruni

well it crashes regularly every month or so... and they reboot it only with our intervention. to that is called running on the egde ;)... On 2013-01-29, at 00:52, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > but this is always good to know the limit of key infrastructure of pharo. > So now we will not know it, only if we register to the google group. > > Stef > >> it's mostly offtopic low-level stuff which has nothing to do with Pharo per se. >> >> hence separate mailing list, plus it's much easier to separate discussions ;). >> >> >> On 2013-01-28, at 23:55, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> why? >>> because this is cool to see that there is activity around NB >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>> I thought it might be a good idea to outsource the nativeboost discussions from the main mailinglist. >>>> So I started a new google groups: >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/nativeboost >>>> nativeboost(a)googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> cami >>> >>> >> >> > >

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] nativeboost google groups

by Camillo Bruni

subscribe and you're done, the thing you get for Free is a decent title in the message in your mail client. For me that saves a couple of second on each mail to check about what it is. On 2013-01-29, at 08:40, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > I dislike outsourcing it to a google group. NB is now part of the image > and the discussion should be here as well. valid point. but then again, we will anyway allways announce changes made by NativeBoost automatically via the update mails. Besides, the issue tracker is also no longer in the mailinglist, which is essentially the heart of development? How do you argue in favor of that? > Otherwise we end up with too many places nobody will be able > to follow or find... invalid point: well then the INRIA mailing lists are the worst place since they don't have a proper index either. the only thing that get's indexed is the mapped forum on http://forum.world.st/ > Please close the group since it adds more confusion. nah, my personal opinion outweighs, besides you're always free to not use it...

Jan. 29, 2013

[Pharo-project] [Issue Tracker] [Action Needed] Show Stoppers 2.0

by Marcus Denker

Hi, We should stat to get serious to evaluate the remaining issues that are tagged 2.0. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone%3D2.0 Which of the are true show stoppers? This means, is the issue of a severity that, just for this single issue, we can not release 2.0? By definition, all problems that are already in 1.4 do not qualify for this, as we did already release 1.4 and the world did not stop spinning. The same is for "nice to have" issues. "It would be nice if.." is not a show stopper. Marcus

Jan. 29, 2013

[Pharo-project] Soup works in 2.0

by Torsten Bergmann

Jan. 29, 2013

[Pharo-project] nativeboost google groups

by Torsten Bergmann

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] nativeboost google groups

by Ciprian Teodorov

Hi guys, I somehow agree with Camillo on the noise part... but at the same time "noise" depends on what you are interested to see. Maybe the solution is to have some kind of a mailing list or discussion medium that is organized by categories... or projects But besides forums (which I don't really like) i don't know other solutions... On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:30 AM, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I too prefer one mail chain... > > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2013, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> but this is always good to know the limit of key infrastructure of pharo. >> So now we will not know it, only if we register to the google group. >> >> Stef >> >> > it's mostly offtopic low-level stuff which has nothing to do with Pharo >> per se. >> > >> > hence separate mailing list, plus it's much easier to separate >> discussions ;). >> > >> > >> > On 2013-01-28, at 23:55, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> wrote: >> >> why? >> >> because this is cool to see that there is activity around NB >> >> >> >> Stef >> >> >> >>> I thought it might be a good idea to outsource the nativeboost >> discussions from the main mailinglist. >> >>> So I started a new google groups: >> >>> >> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/nativeboost >> >>> nativeboost(a)googlegroups.com >> >>> >> >>> cami >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> -- Dr. Ciprian TEODOROV IngÃ©nieur DÃ©veloppement CAO tÃ©l : 06 08 54 73 48 mail : ciprian.teodorov(a)gmail.com www.teodorov.ro

Jan. 29, 2013