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Re: [Pharo-project] one-click is dead, now we have platform specific builds

by Frank Shearar

On 20 March 2013 10:45, Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org> wrote: > > Hi Esteban-- > >> windows and linux users (specially newcomers) where having bad >> reaction with the structure that the one-click enforces. > > I'm interested in the details. Are they documented somewhere, or > can you enumerate here? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5395496 describes one newbie's first impressions of the all-in-one approach. frank > thanks! > > -C > > -- > Craig Latta > www.netjam.org/resume > +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) > + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS) > >

March 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Penelope is in town! (or how to have access to the new issue tracker)

by Benjamin

Nicolas, I just created you an account, so you can have a look at the real issue tracker :) Ben On Mar 20, 2013, at 11:57 AM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: > Nicolas > > request for an account because the real web site is much better > > Stef > > On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> But more annoying, how can we search or filter, all issues containing >> 'someString' or browse closed issues ? >> When the registering page will work, I think it'll be the essential >> added value, don't ask too much to a monkey. >> >> Nicolas >> >> 2013/3/19 Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com>: >>> One thing is a bit upsetting, Penelope does not remember about our >>> recent navigation, I wonder how she will ever remember about Ulysse. >>> >>> Nicolas >>> >>> 2013/3/19 stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr>: >>>> ben >>>> >>>> may be we should explain that the penelope web site and I agree with phil >>>> that the monkey picture is a bit strong >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> FogBugz does not provide (yet) a way for non logged on user to see the open >>>> entries (why google allowed it) >>>> So we tackled this issue with Penelope. >>>> >>>> So basically, Penelope does two things: >>>> - listing open entries sorted by projects >>>> - provide a way to create a fogbugz account >>>> >>>> Hope it's more clear now :) >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Could someone explain what Penelope is and why we need it? >>>> We need it now (fogbugz) but we didn't need it before (google code)? >>>> What does it do? >>>> Doesn't fogbugz provide what penelope does? from the website I just see the >>>> items and I can filter by groups...isn't that provided by fogbugz? >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> Ben and I finally put the Penelope monkey online! >>>>> You can access to all issues at http://bugs.pharo.org and register there >>>>> to get access to Fogbugz. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Nico >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mariano >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > >

March 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Penelope is in town! (or how to have access to the new issue tracker)

by Benjamin

+1 Ben On Mar 20, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2013-03-19, at 23:30, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2013/3/19 Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> But more annoying, how can we search or filter, all issues containing >>>> 'someString' or browse closed issues ? >>> >>> not yet. But if you want we can add that. Esteban already suggested it. >>> >>> nico >> >> I don't know if it's worth duplicating many bug tracker features. >> To me, it does not sound a right thing to do, unless one eventually >> want to replace the bug tracker. >> If public access is a requirement, then fogbugz must have many other >> advantages to be the final choice... >> I'd say first concentrate on providing a working registering page and >> I'll be happy :) > > yup I would say so too.

March 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Penelope is in town! (or how to have access to the new issue tracker)

by stephane ducasse

Nicolas request for an account because the real web site is much better Stef On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > But more annoying, how can we search or filter, all issues containing > 'someString' or browse closed issues ? > When the registering page will work, I think it'll be the essential > added value, don't ask too much to a monkey. > > Nicolas > > 2013/3/19 Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com>: >> One thing is a bit upsetting, Penelope does not remember about our >> recent navigation, I wonder how she will ever remember about Ulysse. >> >> Nicolas >> >> 2013/3/19 stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr>: >>> ben >>> >>> may be we should explain that the penelope web site and I agree with phil >>> that the monkey picture is a bit strong >>> >>> >>> On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> FogBugz does not provide (yet) a way for non logged on user to see the open >>> entries (why google allowed it) >>> So we tackled this issue with Penelope. >>> >>> So basically, Penelope does two things: >>> - listing open entries sorted by projects >>> - provide a way to create a fogbugz account >>> >>> Hope it's more clear now :) >>> Ben >>> >>> On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Could someone explain what Penelope is and why we need it? >>> We need it now (fogbugz) but we didn't need it before (google code)? >>> What does it do? >>> Doesn't fogbugz provide what penelope does? from the website I just see the >>> items and I can filter by groups...isn't that provided by fogbugz? >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Ben and I finally put the Penelope monkey online! >>>> You can access to all issues at http://bugs.pharo.org and register there >>>> to get access to Fogbugz. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nico >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >>> >>> >

March 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] one-click is dead, now we have platform specific builds

by Craig Latta

Hi Esteban-- > windows and linux users (specially newcomers) where having bad > reaction with the structure that the one-click enforces. I'm interested in the details. Are they documented somewhere, or can you enumerate here? thanks! -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

March 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] one-click is dead, now we have platform specific builds

by Esteban Lorenzano

sure... I just adapted the script for create one-click. If you already do that for moose, is more or less the same: you need to clone from https://gitorious.org/pharo-build and then execute something like this: bash build-platform.sh -i image/Pharo -o Pharo3.0 -v 3.0 -t Pharo -p mac (obviously with your image and names and output names) Esteban On Mar 19, 2013, at 9:52 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Great! > > Is there a possibility to custom Pharo images (such as Moose) with your infrastructure? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> tbh, one-click was just cool for mac users... windows and linux users (specially newcomers) where having bad reaction with the structure that the one-click enforces. >> >> The new scripts produces structures that can fit better into the platforms where they will run. >> >> You can check them here: http://files.pharo.org/platform/ >> >> of course, a lot of improvements are possible, this is just the first step :) >> >> Esteban > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "What we can governs what we wish." > > > >

March 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Writeup of new contribution process ?

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > Is there already a writeup describing the new/updated contribution process ? > no > By that I mean: report or find issues in the new tracker, using the Slice Maker (has it been upgraded to grab issues from the right place ?), no > saving, submitting, triggering the monkey. > > Maybe a little screencast movie of someone doing a trivial fix, like fixing the second example in World > Help > Help Browser, Announcement Framework > Tutorial > Step 3, to something like: > good ideaâ¦ Marcus

March 20, 2013

[Pharo-project] Writeup of new contribution process ?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, Is there already a writeup describing the new/updated contribution process ? By that I mean: report or find issues in the new tracker, using the Slice Maker (has it been upgraded to grab issues from the right place ?), saving, submitting, triggering the monkey. Maybe a little screencast movie of someone doing a trivial fix, like fixing the second example in World > Help > Help Browser, Announcement Framework > Tutorial > Step 3, to something like: World announcer on: WindowOpened send: #value: to: [ :announcement | Transcript crShow: 'A new window was opened ', announcement printString ]. instead of the typo and infinite loop. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

March 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Running tests on 2.0 and first impression

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 20, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Just out of curiosity I ran all tests using a #20593 image and the latest Mac OS X pharo vm on my machine. > I added Issues for those two: > SimulateKeystrokesSpecification>>#testSimulateKeystroke > SimulateKeystrokesSpecification>>#testSimulateKeystrokes > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10066/SimulateKeystrokesSpecification-tes… > Errors: > MCStReaderTest>>#testCommentWithStyle > MCStReaderTest>>#testMethodWithStyle > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10065/MCStReaderTest-failing-tests-when-r…

March 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Running tests on 2.0 and first impression

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Just out of curiosity I ran all tests using a #20593 image and the latest Mac OS X pharo vm on my machine. 9749 run, 9686 passes, 2 skipped, 58 expected failures, 3 failures, 2 errors, 0 unexpected passes Failures: ReleaseTest>>#testUndeclared SimulateKeystrokesSpecification>>#testSimulateKeystroke SimulateKeystrokesSpecification>>#testSimulateKeystrokes Errors: MCStReaderTest>>#testCommentWithStyle MCStReaderTest>>#testMethodWithStyle And the fact that Undeclared was not empty was due to extra loaded code of my own. Like Marcus said, I already reported the time problem close to midnight: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7602 https://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7643 The other remarks are valid of course. Sven On 20 Mar 2013, at 08:51, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> First thing, congrats to Pharo community, I observe a good trend. >> It may seem dumb, but it's great to have pharo executable and pharo icons. >> Once the image launched, my general feel is good too, though I'm not >> fan of multiple keys shortcuts. >> It stressed me to the point that I didn't realize the single key >> shortcuts were still active in text editor (desperately seeking cmd b+ >> something... when cmd + shift + N would just browse ivar references). >> I guess I'll get used to it. >> Browsing the class Object seems a bit long, I guess there's time >> wasted scanning the class hierarchy... >> >> Of course, there's a few things to polish. >> First I ran the tests, and here is what I have to say about it >> - there were two interactions requests, IMO, there shouldn't be any (a >> pop up for my name, and a menu) > > How to not require a name when a tests does something that needs it? > When running tests on the build server it sets a name before and removes > it later, but I don't think that the test runner should do that by default. > >> - there are some failures (10) and errors (3), is this expected? (see >> attachment) > > -> There are some tests that fail when running like this that do not fail > on the build server. We should put issues for them on the tracker and fix them. > > -> There seems to be a strange Time related bug happening only around midnight. > Yes, someone should have a look a that, too. > (First step is to submit an issue). > >> - more annoyingly, during the test, the progressbar feedback >> disappeared (sporadically flashing) and the TestRunner feedback too >> (number of succeded test updates went scarce) >> > ProgressBar still needs to be improved. I think there is even an issue for that. > >> When I opened a FileBrowser to browse the filedOut TestRunner report, >> I typed *.txt as a filter and got a RegexSyntaxError nullable closure, >> that's surprising. >> > FileBrowser is not used a lot and there are of course no UI level tests. > So there will be bugs. > >> There I stopped exploring the features and inquired a bit about the failures. >> Most failures are related to DateAndTime. I guess they occured because >> I was playing with image around midnight with a +01:00 offset. > > Yes, two people already saw this bug happening, we should add an issue to the tracker. > > In general it just shows: Any issue that is not fixed by someone is not fixed. ;-) > > > Marcus > > > > >

March 20, 2013