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Re: [Pharo-project] Collect all references to AnObsoleteFoo

by Martin Dias

Hi, I'm sorry for my delay. I didn't stop to think a good solution. There were interesting answers before mine. But if it's a prototype... maybe this workaround helps you. I played with this code: http://ws.stfx.eu/HYWM1ZB9R45K (the first time I use the shared workspace :-) if you file in the attached file, it materializes the new A class. But this will be not useful for you, if either: - you don't have the "original class" at materialization time - you don't want to know if the class was obsolete at serialization time HTH Martin On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> wrote: > On 02/04/13 12:50 AM, roberto.minelli-BHDiRLqP7qo@**public.gmane.org<roberto.minelli-BHDiRLqP7qo(a)public.gmane.org>wrote: > >> >> Is there any way to "browse" through such references to understand where >> are they? >> > > From an inspector, choose the "Explore pointers", making sure you've > selected the object that you're trying to understand what is referencing it. > > It takes trial & error, and intuition on which pointers to follow. This > method has often been unsuccessful for me. > > Another approach (my memory is fuzzy), was to put a halt at a suitable > place during the Fuel serialization. Then explore the intermediate > structures used by Fuel, to try to find out why Fuel thinks it needs to > serialize that object. > > Yet another approach is to put a halt in the Fuel materialization, and > explore the intermediate structures used by Fuel. You might even set up a > mapping of the obsolete class to some temporary class, which allows Fuel to > fully materialize the saved objects. You can then explore the Fuel > intermediate structures, as well as the final de-serialized object > structure. > > >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Theming: does anyone have some doc?

by Benjamin

On Apr 5, 2013, at 3:02 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Cool. > > Yes, my panes are gray too now. But at the end, I just redefined Color white to return something grayish... Too much things to change in too many places. And the Window color in the settings is absolutely not giving anything else than weird results (I tried with some kind of "Nuclear Green" and it really was "interesting". Yes indeed, that is why we have extracted that into class methods :) > I want to do a theme looking like Adobe Lightroom or the editor that Still uses (around 55:00) > > > Revision 2013 - Concept, Camera, Composition and Color > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPaQUZF_KZI&list=PLF0E68A8AD5BB6140&index=13 > > Also, the STHStyler80 class coloring schemes are nice and well, but without an editor, good luck w/ the colors. That's an area where spec would come in handy. About that, I read that some paper would surface explaining spec a bit more. I updated the SVN but didn't saw anything conclusive. Is there something? > Also, I wonder what the relationship is with the color settings in the prefs. > We hadn't tried SH yet (I was presuming this part to be a pain ^^) What you could do is maybe subclass what we are doing we Nico, to have less entry points (but since it's still work in progress :S) Our plan was to push it into the system not too late (like in one month or something) so we can then all iterate over ^^ Ben > > > 2013/4/5 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > With Nicolas Petton we are currently working on a new Pharo theme too, and fixing hardcoded references from Morph along the way :) > We didn't find documentation either, but if you have questions, we will be glad to (try to) answer them :) > > Ben > > PS: I attach a screen of the new theme as it is right now (still a lot to fix), just to give you a glance :) So if you have ideas, feedback â¦ you're welcome :) > > > <NewPharoTheme_alpha.png> > > On Apr 4, 2013, at 3:26 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> I am digging inside the UITheme and friends and wondered if there was any documentation about it. >> >> Googled already but not much turned up. >> >> I've got some success in the PharoTheme (fill-style) category and now have a decent grasp of how it works (it is strange to find a ton of glamorous-xxx methods in the private category of PharoTheme but well). >> >> I want to do a high contrast/dark theme for my own work as it would be better for accessibility. >> >> I find the Darcula theme pretty neat (http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/) and use it for work. Would be lovely to have some close thing for Pharo. >> >> TIA >> Phil > >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Big thanks for the organization of the Pharo Conf and MooseDay

by Sean P. DeNigris

Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote > I am really waiting for the videos to be available to be able to watch > them to get what I missed :) (and spread this to the whole team ^^) +1. Huge thank you to everyone who is contributing to the videos. This is a huge benefit to our global community :) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Big-thanks-for-the-organization-of-the-Pharo-Conf-and… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Theming: does anyone have some doc?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Cool. Yes, my panes are gray too now. But at the end, I just redefined Color white to return something grayish... Too much things to change in too many places. And the Window color in the settings is absolutely not giving anything else than weird results (I tried with some kind of "Nuclear Green" and it really was "interesting". I want to do a theme looking like Adobe Lightroom or the editor that Still uses (around 55:00) Revision 2013 - Concept, Camera, Composition and Color https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPaQUZF_KZI&list=PLF0E68A8AD5BB6140&index=13 Also, the STHStyler80 class coloring schemes are nice and well, but without an editor, good luck w/ the colors. That's an area where spec would come in handy. About that, I read that some paper would surface explaining spec a bit more. I updated the SVN but didn't saw anything conclusive. Is there something? Also, I wonder what the relationship is with the color settings in the prefs. 2013/4/5 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > With Nicolas Petton we are currently working on a new Pharo theme too, and > fixing hardcoded references from Morph along the way :) > We didn't find documentation either, but if you have questions, we will be > glad to (try to) answer them :) > > Ben > > PS: I attach a screen of the new theme as it is right now (still a lot to > fix), just to give you a glance :) So if you have ideas, feedback â¦ you're > welcome :) > > > > > On Apr 4, 2013, at 3:26 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > I am digging inside the UITheme and friends and wondered if there was any > documentation about it. > > Googled already but not much turned up. > > I've got some success in the PharoTheme (fill-style) category and now have > a decent grasp of how it works (it is strange to find a ton of > glamorous-xxx methods in the private category of PharoTheme but well). > > I want to do a high contrast/dark theme for my own work as it would be > better for accessibility. > > I find the Darcula theme pretty neat (http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/) and > use it for work. Would be lovely to have some close thing for Pharo. > > TIA > Phil > > >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Theming: does anyone have some doc?

by Benjamin

I should post it somewhere :) But first I need a configuration because the loading order is *really* important (since we are extracting morph behaviours and put them into Polymorph) Ben On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:40 PM, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > How can I contribute with this theming initiative? > > :) > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2013/4/5 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > With Nicolas Petton we are currently working on a new Pharo theme too, and fixing hardcoded references from Morph along the way :) > We didn't find documentation either, but if you have questions, we will be glad to (try to) answer them :) > > Ben > > PS: I attach a screen of the new theme as it is right now (still a lot to fix), just to give you a glance :) So if you have ideas, feedback â¦ you're welcome :) > > > <NewPharoTheme_alpha.png> > > > On Apr 4, 2013, at 3:26 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> I am digging inside the UITheme and friends and wondered if there was any documentation about it. >> >> Googled already but not much turned up. >> >> I've got some success in the PharoTheme (fill-style) category and now have a decent grasp of how it works (it is strange to find a ton of glamorous-xxx methods in the private category of PharoTheme but well). >> >> I want to do a high contrast/dark theme for my own work as it would be better for accessibility. >> >> I find the Darcula theme pretty neat (http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/) and use it for work. Would be lovely to have some close thing for Pharo. >> >> TIA >> Phil > >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Benjamin

Popup is automatic -> false Popup appears with this shortcut -> Shift + (here is a space that you do not see ^^) Because of the VM, ctrl+space is never received (yet ^^) Ben On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > Ben, you have it! Just have the search-completion linked to ctrl+space! > > Where is that setting ? > > Thierry > > Le 05/04/2013 14:38, Benjamin a Ã©crit : >> I personally solve that by disabling auto popup :) >> And it fits in what Doru said. >> >> I have to hit ctrl space to pops up completion, and here, I know that I >> am in completion mode, so pressing enter is not breaking my workflow. >> >> Moreover, usually when I see people using completion, it's highly a lost >> of time. >> the basic case is instead of fully typing 'asString', they type 'as', >> wait 3 seconds, press arrow down 20 times, and finally accept. >> This is for me so strange :) >> >> Maybe it's because I have been through a couple of Pharo version with >> auto completion disabled because it was a pain :D > >> Ben >> >> On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com >> <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> wrote: >> >>> EstebanLM wrote >>>> Oh, Spotlight is another victim of the code completion lack of accurate >>>> answers... >>>> and yes, I agree: both code completion and spotlight in consequence were >>>> working better in 1.4. >>> >>> With enter-on-accept disabled, I'm really enjoying the completion in >>> 2.0. I >>> find partial completions extremely helpful. I don't think we're that far >>> from where we want to be. Let's just define what's missing and get it >>> done. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Cheers, >>> Sean >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp… >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com >>> <http://Nabble.com>. >>> >> > > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Benjamin

Ben On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 4 April 2013 19:52, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 2013-04-04, at 18:51, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 4 April 2013 17:38, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2013-04-04, at 16:11, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4 April 2013 15:45, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> really? >>>>>> please, add an issue in the tracker and submit a slice, as everybody else. >>>>>> >>>>> calm down, we're just discussing here. >>>>> I provided code here intentionally for nay-sayers like you to try it >>>>> and to check if it not breaks >>>>> something else (your workflow). >>>> >>>> Igor, not Esteban's workflow.. OUR WORKFLOW! >>>> >>> >>> Sure sure. Now have you tried the code which i sent if it works/breaks for you? >>> >>> Or i should spend like 10 minutes filing the issue before figuring >>> that it is unacceptable? >> >> What the fuck do you think the rest does? >> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10228 >> >> |( well the issue is the main entry point. If the code does not work >> you will be notified VIA the issue => manageed entity >> >> However how you solve this issue right now is by some fuzzy undefined process >> nobody manages. If you think that this change is worth getting into pharo then >> you open an issue and attach the SLICE (no changeset, SLICES). >> >> Then the whole machinery starts, people (INCLUDING YOU) look at the issues. >> Issue get rejected, modified, adapted! >> >> What you show here is IGNORANCE on a higher level. >> YOU IGNORE A WHOLE DAMN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS PEOPLE USE EVERY DAY. >> And you put yourself into the brilliant exception position. >> > Not at all. > >> Believe me I am not the only one who is upset with that. (but usually the >> one who complains first). >> >> >> So why do I complain? >> >> - I know that you haven't filed a single issue on the new issue tracker >> - I know that you DO NOT like the new issue tracker >> - I know that you DO NOT like to use SLICES (even though everybody else does) >> >> and.. >> - I am pretty convinced that you will never file an issue on the new issue tracker >> > > Hmm.. I already did. Before you even wrote your outrageous post. > >> >> Why? I don't know, I really don't. I wish I could understand your point >> here, but I cannot. > > You did not replied to a most important question , which goes first: > does it works for you or not. > > Issue tracker (as its name states) helps with tracking the issue, but > it does not solves it. > > Putting things on issue tracker doesn't means that issue will be > solved. Because nothing forces you to look at issue, you can still > ignore it. That's exactly why here we have automated actions performed. (and on the other hand, nothing forces you to provide a fix, to code, to go outside of you bed â¦) > You can complain that it was not filed correctly, there's "field A is > empty", field B is wrong and all sorts of bureaucracy.. > > So, if there's no action (like trying the proposed solution) while > topic is hot on mailing list, > i am pretty sure that there will be no any action with that issue later. > The code will be just silently integrated, only to be found later that > change is inappropriate and breaks things here and there.. and then we > go over again, by opening one more issue, and spending our precious > time on following the process, instead of solving the real problems. And when we will try to tackle issues to fix, we will iterate over all mailing list thread to find them ? If discussion like this happened in the issue tracker - people not implied in Pharo bug fixing (aka people without an account on fogbugz) do not get massively spammed - when someone want to fix this, he/she will not have to try to remember what it's about, guess the discussion was in the mailing list, retrieve the thread, etc â¦ If you think that your time is more precious that any one else's, then maybe you missed what a community is â¦ People spent time setting up the issue tracker to make it fit into our usual workflow, writing documentation about how to report an issue, and it has been decided that it was the way we (the community) manage bugs. Managing them in a mailing list has already been tried, and was not successful. I hate to blame, but the way you are acting know is just saying "I will not try to fit into the community workflow, I will stick to mine, and people will have to adapt'. I am sorry, it doesn't work. Ben PS: I flag your issue resolved (since a fix has been proposed), as explained here[1], it's the first and last time. My time is not less precious than yours [1] https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W46 > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Goubier Thierry

Ben, you have it! Just have the search-completion linked to ctrl+space! Where is that setting ? Thierry Le 05/04/2013 14:38, Benjamin a Ã©crit : > I personally solve that by disabling auto popup :) > And it fits in what Doru said. > > I have to hit ctrl space to pops up completion, and here, I know that I > am in completion mode, so pressing enter is not breaking my workflow. > > Moreover, usually when I see people using completion, it's highly a lost > of time. > the basic case is instead of fully typing 'asString', they type 'as', > wait 3 seconds, press arrow down 20 times, and finally accept. > This is for me so strange :) > > Maybe it's because I have been through a couple of Pharo version with > auto completion disabled because it was a pain :D > Ben > > On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com > <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> wrote: > >> EstebanLM wrote >>> Oh, Spotlight is another victim of the code completion lack of accurate >>> answers... >>> and yes, I agree: both code completion and spotlight in consequence were >>> working better in 1.4. >> >> With enter-on-accept disabled, I'm really enjoying the completion in >> 2.0. I >> find partial completions extremely helpful. I don't think we're that far >> from where we want to be. Let's just define what's missing and get it >> done. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com >> <http://Nabble.com>. >> > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Goubier Thierry

Le 05/04/2013 13:53, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > Goubier Thierry wrote >> I'm one of the guys which change his personal settings on any new 2.0 >> image... To turn auto completion off. > > There has been a *lot* of work on completion as 2.0 has evolved. There are > also many settings. If you're turning it totally off, but use it in other > systems, please tell us how you would ideally like it to work and what you > feel is missing. Both the OpenOffice and Geany work well in my opinion, but for reasons that are maybe not so convenient for Pharo... - OpenOffice (LibreOffice) and Geany/C are single line completion and tab-to-complete, no fancy behavior you can add (like using it as a menu). -- Disregarding / not using them even if active is easy - Geany/C has a limited number of completions (the functions, struct members and not much else) and document your entry (does not try to just complete the function you're typing, laso gives you the prototype, i.e. names and arguments type). -- In Pharo, if you're just checking if you've got the spelling of a method right, then syntax coloring may be enough. Or use my browser and keep the target list of methods visible (maybe that's why I don't miss so much completion in 2.0 since I don't use Nautilus there)? Oh, and is that me? Completion in Pharo on a netbook seems to decrease feedback speed when typing. > For myself, I find the following settings to be close to > perfect: > NECPreferences > enabled: true; > caseSensitive: true; > expandPrefixes: true; > useEnterToAccept: false; > smartCharacters: true; > smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}'; > spaceAfterCompletion: false; > popupAutomaticDelay: 100. The real thing I miss are smart characters. They are convenient on OB, and should be a lot better in 2.0 since there was a lot of improvements. I'll try maybe to get back the smart characters on. > The only thing I was missing (but is less important now that I disabled > enter-to-accept) is promoting an exact match to the top of the list, and > matches starting with the typed characters next, followed by matches that > contain the substring (but not at the beginning). I don't know. I would see two use cases : * Search for a keyword I'm not sure of (I would call that search-complete) * Complete what I am typing at the moment for maximum speed and less typos (speed-complete) If I want speed-complete, then I want the geany single-match, single-key-complete, disappear from my view without any effort. If I want search-complete, then this is something else I need (type-and-auto-select, ast-match-search-with-exploratory-GUI, complete-or-cancel). I'm asking the moon :) Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

April 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Theming: does anyone have some doc?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

How can I contribute with this theming initiative? :) Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/4/5 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > With Nicolas Petton we are currently working on a new Pharo theme too, and > fixing hardcoded references from Morph along the way :) > We didn't find documentation either, but if you have questions, we will be > glad to (try to) answer them :) > > Ben > > PS: I attach a screen of the new theme as it is right now (still a lot to > fix), just to give you a glance :) So if you have ideas, feedback â¦ you're > welcome :) > > > > > On Apr 4, 2013, at 3:26 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > I am digging inside the UITheme and friends and wondered if there was any > documentation about it. > > Googled already but not much turned up. > > I've got some success in the PharoTheme (fill-style) category and now have > a decent grasp of how it works (it is strange to find a ton of > glamorous-xxx methods in the private category of PharoTheme but well). > > I want to do a high contrast/dark theme for my own work as it would be > better for accessibility. > > I find the Darcula theme pretty neat (http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/) and > use it for work. Would be lovely to have some close thing for Pharo. > > TIA > Phil > > >

April 5, 2013