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Re: [Pharo-project] Global Apology

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks camillo Your email is great! And I found mysefl in similar situation so I can tell you that "tu en sors grandi" :) > > > I would like to apologize for the rather unfriendly and loud mail I sent in > response to a bugfix proposal by Igor on the mailing list. > > Luckily I listened to Esteban to prevent further damage. > However my intervention was rude and inappropriate. > > You experienced an unnecessary presentation of an internal discussion that is not solved yet. > Discussing and presenting it in public is counter productive and insulting. > > I wish to get my ongoing disagreement with Igor settled the following week to get us > back into a productive and friendly environment. I'm sure you will but you have to discuss and communicate you two :) I'm convinced you have great things to achieve and I understand your frustration :) Just close the door and discuss :) > > > camillo bruni

April 6, 2013

[Pharo-project] Global Apology

by Camillo Bruni

Dear Pharo mailinglist, I would like to apologize for the rather unfriendly and loud mail I sent in response to a bugfix proposal by Igor on the mailing list. Luckily I listened to Esteban to prevent further damage. However my intervention was rude and inappropriate. You experienced an unnecessary presentation of an internal discussion that is not solved yet. Discussing and presenting it in public is counter productive and insulting. I wish to get my ongoing disagreement with Igor settled the following week to get us back into a productive and friendly environment. camillo bruni

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Sean P. DeNigris

stephane ducasse wrote > would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use? NECPreferences enabled: true; caseSensitive: true; expandPrefixes: true; useEnterToAccept: false; smartCharacters: true; smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}'; spaceAfterCompletion: false; popupAutomaticDelay: 100. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sean P. DeNigris wrote > > Johan Brichau-2 wrote >> fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: >> - accept both >> <enter> >> and >> <tab> >> for code completion >> - still use >> <tab> >> to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent >> <tab> >> will select the suggestion >> >> Maybe people should give this a try and see? > Sounds cool. I will start using it and report back. Thanks! I like it :) I can still disable enter-to-accept, and the tab twice for full completion thing is great. After cranking up Xcode and navigating around, one thing I noticed was that the C file I was looking at ended every line with a non-alphanumeric character (e.g. $", $; $)), so enter would never accidentally complete anything when what one meant to do was get a cr. As mentioned above, this is not the case for st and I think disabling enter-to-accept makes more sense as the default. I'd rather have new users asking and us explaining that it can be turned on, than have them annoyed by e.g. typing "String" <cr> and ending up with "StringApiSetter", which I found very jarring. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Tudor Girba

Hi Johan, Thanks for acting to get everyone out of the deadlock situation :). I will give it a try as well and let you know. Cheers, Doru On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Johan Brichau <johan(a)inceptive.be> wrote: > fwiw, I changed the implementation of NECController to: > - accept both <enter> and <tab> for code completion > - still use <tab> to first complete the common prefixes, but a subsequent <tab> will select the suggestion > > i.e. this is the behavior in XCode, which imho is a very good one. > > _and_ I do not have to disable the completion of common prefixes if I want to disable <enter> for selection. > > Maybe people should give this a try and see? > > cheers > Johan > > > <NECController-Changes.cs> > > On 06 Apr 2013, at 02:18, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > >> Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> +1 >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3 April 2013 22:45, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> theres a setting to: >>>>>> >>>>>> - disable ENTER to accept the completion >>>>>> - to increase the popup delay >>>>>> >>>>>> so I think that is invalid bug report then... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> i tend to disagree. >>>>> The defaults which we have now in 2.0 for autocompletion >>>>> is breaking my workflow badly too. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, i can go to settings and disable/reconfigure stuff but that doesn't >>>>> nullifying the fact, that my workflow is broken with ambiguous and inconsistent >>>>> reaction(s) to my keystrokes by UI if i keep defaults. >>>>> >>>>> For instance i am still clueless, why 'enter' is default for autocompletion, >>>>> and disabling it and enabling 'tab' simply doesn't works. >>>>> That leaves me with the only option: keep using 'enter' for >>>>> autocompletion, if i ever want to use it. >>>>> We have to fix that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-04-03, at 22:23, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From >>>>>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardn… >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The combination of enter on accept, with the current behavior to select >>>>>>>> the first completion suggestion by default = trouble. For example: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Type "printOn: aStream"... pretty common method start >>>>>>>> 2. Hit enter to go to the next line >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You will now have "printOn: MCDataStream" WTF!! I get burned by this >>>>>>>> pretty regularly and it's annoying. I'm not sure what the fix should be... >>>>>>>> probably no default selection in the suggestion menu, but possibly only >>>>>>>> when enter on accept is enabled (t would require an extra key press to >>>>>>>> complete and when do you ever type a tab in the middle of a line?) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> I haven't used the 2.0 auto compeltion yet so I don't know if this is relevant, but just a passing thought... When Microsoft Word muck up using smart characters, one small saving grace is that it first enters my original typing before "smart-ifying" it, such that ctrl-z undoes back to my original typing. >> >> cheers -ben >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] OCompletion paper

by Tudor Girba

http://users.dcc.uchile.cl/~rrobbes/p/JASE-completion.pdf Doru On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:48 PM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Does anyone have a copy? > http://www.inf.usi.ch/phd/robbes/papers/ASE2008-completion.pdf gives a > 403... > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OCompletion-paper-tp4679991.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Live like you mean it."

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by stephane ducasse

Hi guys would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use? So that I can try and understand the one that can work with me. Thanks

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List

by stephane ducasse

I would love to get the source code modification (diff) on update so that I can read the code without cliking to all the links in the update mail. Now that we use smalltalkhub we should be able to do it. Stef On Apr 5, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Can we please convert this to work with fogbugz asap? I'm finding it > difficult to track our progress without it... we've been spoiled ;) > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Resuming-Issue-Tracker-Mailing-List-tp4679712.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

April 6, 2013

[Pharo-project] OCompletion paper

by Sean P. DeNigris

Does anyone have a copy? http://www.inf.usi.ch/phd/robbes/papers/ASE2008-completion.pdf gives a 403... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OCompletion-paper-tp4679991.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Resuming Issue Tracker Mailing List

by Sean P. DeNigris

Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote > Since any one can subscribe precisely to want they want, for me it's > useless to have a spamming mailing list :) It's very useful to me because I turn off all mail delivery for the issue tracker list and view it through nabble. This way, my inbox is not flooded, and I can browse through and see exactly what interests me and click through those. The list is already set up, it's simple to turn on, and I've illustrated a use case. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Resuming-Issue-Tracker-Mailing-List-tp4679712p4679990… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 6, 2013