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Re: [Pharo-project] How to define a ConfigurationOf with a #development version that depends on a baseline?

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Marten, Frankly speaking, I find Envy way too complicated. I am using it these days and I am really not happy with. If I have to read a book to understand how it works, than there is no way I can teach students on how to use it in a reasonable amount of time. Configuration Map, Application, edition, scratch version and many more are way too many concepts, in my opinion. Alexandre On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Marten Feldtmann <marten(a)schrievkrom.de> wrote: > In all the discussions about how to manage/organize Smalltalk code - I would like to add, that ENVY (though it's so old) with its config maps, applications, prerequisites is a pretty good example how it works. > > Take a look at the only available ENVY implementation today (VAST) and think about the way they did it in the eighties ... > > The ENVY-(concept - not the implementation) is still a master peace in this area - even when compared with VS or Eclipse - and it supports the power of Smalltalk very much. > > There are questionable parts of ENVY and I do not use these parts of it very often. But even these questionable parts of ENVY have not been better solved by other Smalltalk source code management systems. > > I've repositories, which are around 10 years old - and ALL code is still there, all versions for all different platforms - down to methods differences within a mouse click and the speed within a LAN is so good. > > > Marten > > >> On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Alexandre Bergel<alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> >>> Just a question: Is there any plan for a Metacello 2? >> > <marten.vcf> -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Global Apology

by Alexandre Bergel

No problem. Alexandre On Apr 6, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Pharo mailinglist, > > I would like to apologize for the rather unfriendly and loud mail I sent in > response to a bugfix proposal by Igor on the mailing list. > > Luckily I listened to Esteban to prevent further damage. > However my intervention was rude and inappropriate. > > You experienced an unnecessary presentation of an internal discussion that is not solved yet. > Discussing and presenting it in public is counter productive and insulting. > > I wish to get my ongoing disagreement with Igor settled the following week to get us > back into a productive and friendly environment. > > > camillo bruni -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Benjamin

One is proposing all the symbols (without package names, timestamp and few others) alphabetically sorted, the other one is "learning" , so the order is depending on your last accepts. But I do not remember the names :S Ben On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:49 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > What is the difference between NECController and NOCController ? > In my image the latter seems to be the default, Sean is using the former. Why ? > > On 06 Apr 2013, at 20:59, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > >> stephane ducasse wrote >>> would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use? >> >> NECPreferences >> enabled: true; >> caseSensitive: true; >> expandPrefixes: true; >> useEnterToAccept: false; >> smartCharacters: true; >> smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}'; >> spaceAfterCompletion: false; >> popupAutomaticDelay: 100. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

What is the difference between NECController and NOCController ? In my image the latter seems to be the default, Sean is using the former. Why ? On 06 Apr 2013, at 20:59, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > stephane ducasse wrote >> would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use? > > NECPreferences > enabled: true; > caseSensitive: true; > expandPrefixes: true; > useEnterToAccept: false; > smartCharacters: true; > smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}'; > spaceAfterCompletion: false; > popupAutomaticDelay: 100. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

April 6, 2013

[Pharo-project] UPDATE NOTICE: new zeroconf scripts

by Camillo Bruni

Last tuesday I presented the new zeroconf scripts for Pharo at the pharoconf in Bern. >From now on please use the new scripts located at http://get.pharo.org. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Example: ======== The scripts work the same way as before: Load the stable Pharo version with a VM: wget -qO - get.pharo.org | bash Load Pharo 3.0 with a VM: wget -qO - get.pharo.org/30+vm | bash Load only a Pharo 3.0 image: wget -qO - get.pharo.org/30 | bash If you do not have wget installed you can use `curl -L` instead of `wget -qO -`. => All the jobs at http://ci.inria.fr/rmod already use the new scripts Details: ======== There is a plethora of configurations available. The URL for each script can be easily build from an image version and a vm: get.pharo.org/$IMAGE +$VM Of course one can just download an image as well get.pharo.org/$IMAGE or just the VM get.pharo.org/$VM Possible values for $IMAGE are: 12 13 14 20 30 stable alpha Possible values for $VM are: vm vmS vmLatest vmSLatest vmS and vmSLatest are not yet supported, but they will point to the PharoS aka StackVM in the future. Help: ===== I will update the zeroconf chapter tomorrow, otherwise you can simply open the url of the config script in the browser to get a help message that explains you how to use the script and what it downloads. Migration: ========== - Replace http://get.pharo.org/ci*.sh with the proper get.pharo.org/$IMAGE+$VM url - Replace ./vm.sh with ./pharo - Replace ./vm-ui.sh with ./pharo-ui Deprecation: ============ I will manually mark the existing scripts as deprecated by tomorrow and leave them there for a week. If anybody needs some more time I can arrange that of course ;). If not all the old scripts will be gone next week! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This will most probably be the final stage of the zeroconf scripts as I don't see much space for improvements anymore ;). Everything is documented, commented and most importantly, managed from within Pharo! And proper tests for the scripts are on the way as well ;) Any questions? Any suggestions?

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 10219: Completion: enter on accept awkwardness

by Benjamin

If everybody likes it, maybe we should consider putting this configuration as default, no ? Ben On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:59 PM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > stephane ducasse wrote >> would it be possible to get a couple of settings that you use? > > NECPreferences > enabled: true; > caseSensitive: true; > expandPrefixes: true; > useEnterToAccept: false; > smartCharacters: true; > smartCharactersWithDoubleSpace: '[]{}'; > spaceAfterCompletion: false; > popupAutomaticDelay: 100. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-10219-Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardness-tp… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2

by Max Leske

On 06.04.2013, at 23:09, Ciprian Teodorov <ciprian.teodorov(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Max, > > your video is good, too bad that it stops prematurely. > > It helped me to spot a tiny issue with the libgit2 generation script. The C compile options ( '-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS' '-D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS') that are present there are just a copy paste error, since when created that method I've modified the one I've used for generating llvm bindings (which really needs them). > > For libgit2 i don't now, I think they aren't needed. I've just tried on my machine with options := {('-I' , includeDir fullName)}. > and it seems to work I also think they're not necessary. > > Now libclang is the reason that in some cases we need such options. Since we use libclang to parse the header files we should make sure that we pass it everything it needs to successfully process the header. > So if anyone has a hard time generating bindings with talkffi for a library X, then a starting point might be to try understanding what are the options needed by clang to compile the headers. > > In the future I plan to add some kind of script editor for writing the bindings, which will show the messages from libclang. so that in case of compilation error (due to missing options, or c syntax errors) we can see them in the image. > > About generating the bindings directly on a mac, I've done it using a hand compiled version of libclang configured with (../configure --enable-optimized --enable-jit --target=i686-apple-darwin10). So if you are willing to download libclang and compile it, maybe you don't need a linux vm. Thanks for the explanations. > > Ok, that's it for now. Thanks again for the great video My pleasure :) > Ciprian > > > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 06.04.2013, at 20:21, Stefan Marr <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de> wrote: > > > Hi: > > > > On 06 Apr 2013, at 19:30, Max Leske wrote: > > > >> I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. > >> > >> http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings > > > > I skimmed through it. Looks good. > > But, I noticed that the video actually stops before generating the bindings :) > > That makes it feel like there is something missing. > > Damn! Got me :) I realized that straight after I had hit stop. > Still, for me the hard part was the compilation and setup. I figured out the bindings pritty quickly. > > Maybe I'll add short bit at the end tomorrow. > > Max > > > > > Best regards > > Stefan > > > > > > > > -- > > Stefan Marr > > Software Languages Lab > > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr > > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 > > Fax: +32 2 629 3525 > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Ciprian TEODOROV > IngÃ©nieur DÃ©veloppement CAO > > tÃ©l : 06 08 54 73 48 > mail : ciprian.teodorov(a)gmail.com > www.teodorov.ro

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2

by Ciprian Teodorov

Hi Max, your video is good, too bad that it stops prematurely. It helped me to spot a tiny issue with the libgit2 generation script. The C compile options ( '-D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS' '-D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS') that are present there are just a copy paste error, since when created that method I've modified the one I've used for generating llvm bindings (which really needs them). For libgit2 i don't now, I think they aren't needed. I've just tried on my machine with options := {('-I' , includeDir fullName)}. and it seems to work Now libclang is the reason that in some cases we need such options. Since we use libclang to parse the header files we should make sure that we pass it everything it needs to successfully process the header. So if anyone has a hard time generating bindings with talkffi for a library X, then a starting point might be to try understanding what are the options needed by clang to compile the headers. In the future I plan to add some kind of script editor for writing the bindings, which will show the messages from libclang. so that in case of compilation error (due to missing options, or c syntax errors) we can see them in the image. About generating the bindings directly on a mac, I've done it using a hand compiled version of libclang configured with (../configure --enable-optimized --enable-jit --target=i686-apple-darwin10). So if you are willing to download libclang and compile it, maybe you don't need a linux vm. Ok, that's it for now. Thanks again for the great video Ciprian On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 06.04.2013, at 20:21, Stefan Marr <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de> wrote: > > > Hi: > > > > On 06 Apr 2013, at 19:30, Max Leske wrote: > > > >> I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for > libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. > >> > >> http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings > > > > I skimmed through it. Looks good. > > But, I noticed that the video actually stops before generating the > bindings :) > > That makes it feel like there is something missing. > > Damn! Got me :) I realized that straight after I had hit stop. > Still, for me the hard part was the compilation and setup. I figured out > the bindings pritty quickly. > > Maybe I'll add short bit at the end tomorrow. > > Max > > > > > Best regards > > Stefan > > > > > > > > -- > > Stefan Marr > > Software Languages Lab > > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr > > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 > > Fax: +32 2 629 3525 > > > > > > > -- Dr. Ciprian TEODOROV IngÃ©nieur DÃ©veloppement CAO tÃ©l : 06 08 54 73 48 mail : ciprian.teodorov(a)gmail.com www.teodorov.ro

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Global Apology

by Sean P. DeNigris

Camillo Bruni-3 wrote > I would like to apologize for the rather unfriendly and loud mail I sent > in > response to a bugfix proposal by Igor on the mailing list. I believe in acting decisively and error correcting quickly. Thank you for both the passion you bring and for getting us back on track :) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Global-Apology-tp4680000p4680011.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 6, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Screencast: Creating C library bindings with TalkFFI for libgit2

by Max Leske

On 06.04.2013, at 20:21, Stefan Marr <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de> wrote: > Hi: > > On 06 Apr 2013, at 19:30, Max Leske wrote: > >> I recorded a new screencast with a short tutorial on how bindings for libgit2 (or any other library for that matter) can be created using TalkFFI. >> >> http://vimeo.com/maxleske/talkffibindings > > I skimmed through it. Looks good. > But, I noticed that the video actually stops before generating the bindings :) > That makes it feel like there is something missing. Damn! Got me :) I realized that straight after I had hit stop. Still, for me the hard part was the compilation and setup. I figured out the bindings pritty quickly. Maybe I'll add short bit at the end tomorrow. Max > > Best regards > Stefan > > > > -- > Stefan Marr > Software Languages Lab > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 > Fax: +32 2 629 3525 > >

April 6, 2013