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Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to understand DateAndTime

by Nicolas Cellier

Yes, this was valid when jdn, seconds and nanos where maintained in local time... 2013/4/28 Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> > Nicolas Cellier wrote > > What I find strange: > > - #hash uses the offset... Why ??? > > Maybe because of this: > http://forum.world.st/true-hash-tp4621497p4624623.html > > which you fixed here: > > > See http://forum.world.st/true-hash-tp4621497p4624706.html > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Trying-to-understand-DateAndTime-tp4683997p4684123.ht… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] TxText. New text editor done!

by Sean P. DeNigris

Denis Kudriashov wrote > My main idea is make clean and extendible text editor. So anybody can > understand how layout built, where text insertion happens, how it > processed, how cursor works and etc. I want text editor which is not > required hacks to simple tasks like allow only numbers, hide cursor, > disable text selection, make masked input, make smart completions and etc. Amen, brother! ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Ann-TxText-New-text-editor-done-tp4683876p4684124.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to understand DateAndTime

by Paul DeBruicker

Nicolas Cellier wrote > What I find strange: > - #hash uses the offset... Why ??? Maybe because of this: http://forum.world.st/true-hash-tp4621497p4624623.html which you fixed here: See http://forum.world.st/true-hash-tp4621497p4624706.html -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Trying-to-understand-DateAndTime-tp4683997p4684123.ht… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] TxText. New text editor done!

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 28 April 2013 16:51, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Tried to load in >>> >>> Pharo3.0 >>> Latest update: #30068 >>> >>> Got MNU: Character>>asShortcut >>> >>> why it is not there? >>> :((( >>> >> >> Very strange. it seems this removed them: >> >> Name: Keymapping-Shortcuts-GuillermoPolito.67 >> Author: GuillermoPolito >> Time: 24 March 2013, 11:20:45.259 pm >> UUID: 4a3b850b-93ed-40d7-a1f8-75ca5d805af9 >> Ancestors: Keymapping-Shortcuts-EstebanLorenzano.65 >> >> from 3.0 >> > that's strange.. if i understand, it was introduced not that far ago, > and now removed again.. before even people get used to it :) > I think something got wrongly integrated. Marcus

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] TxText. New text editor done!

by Igor Stasenko

On 28 April 2013 16:51, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Tried to load in >> >> Pharo3.0 >> Latest update: #30068 >> >> Got MNU: Character>>asShortcut >> >> why it is not there? >> :((( >> > > Very strange. it seems this removed them: > > Name: Keymapping-Shortcuts-GuillermoPolito.67 > Author: GuillermoPolito > Time: 24 March 2013, 11:20:45.259 pm > UUID: 4a3b850b-93ed-40d7-a1f8-75ca5d805af9 > Ancestors: Keymapping-Shortcuts-EstebanLorenzano.65 > > from 3.0 > that's strange.. if i understand, it was introduced not that far ago, and now removed again.. before even people get used to it :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] TxText. New text editor done!

by Igor Stasenko

Okay.. got it in 2.0. WOW!!!! That's amazing!!!! A functional text editor... TxTextMorph exampleCenteredText I love you , Denis! :) (will leave hate for later, when i go & see how you implemented it ;) On 28 April 2013 16:44, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tried to load in > > Pharo3.0 > Latest update: #30068 > > Got MNU: Character>>asShortcut > > why it is not there? > :((( > > > On 28 April 2013 16:37, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 27 April 2013 16:53, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>> Denis Kudriashov wrote >>>> You can load configuration from >>>> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sig/TxText. >>> >>> For the recreationally-inclined, like myself ;) >>> Gofer it >>> url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sig/TxText'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfTxText'; >>> load. >>> >> for recreationally-inclined like yourself, i would change the url in >> above code to: >> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/sig/TxText/main >> >> :) >> >>> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfTxText) project version: '0.6') load: >>> #('ALL'). >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Cheers, >>> Sean >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Ann-TxText-New-text-editor-done-tp4683876p4683987.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] TxText. New text editor done!

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tried to load in > > Pharo3.0 > Latest update: #30068 > > Got MNU: Character>>asShortcut > > why it is not there? > :((( > Very strange. it seems this removed them: Name: Keymapping-Shortcuts-GuillermoPolito.67 Author: GuillermoPolito Time: 24 March 2013, 11:20:45.259 pm UUID: 4a3b850b-93ed-40d7-a1f8-75ca5d805af9 Ancestors: Keymapping-Shortcuts-EstebanLorenzano.65 from 3.0

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] TxText. New text editor done!

by Igor Stasenko

Tried to load in Pharo3.0 Latest update: #30068 Got MNU: Character>>asShortcut why it is not there? :((( On 28 April 2013 16:37, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 27 April 2013 16:53, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >> Denis Kudriashov wrote >>> You can load configuration from >>> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sig/TxText. >> >> For the recreationally-inclined, like myself ;) >> Gofer it >> url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sig/TxText'; >> package: 'ConfigurationOfTxText'; >> load. >> > for recreationally-inclined like yourself, i would change the url in > above code to: > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/sig/TxText/main > > :) > >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfTxText) project version: '0.6') load: >> #('ALL'). >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Ann-TxText-New-text-editor-done-tp4683876p4683987.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann] TxText. New text editor done!

by Igor Stasenko

On 27 April 2013 16:53, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Denis Kudriashov wrote >> You can load configuration from >> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sig/TxText. > > For the recreationally-inclined, like myself ;) > Gofer it > url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sig/TxText'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfTxText'; > load. > for recreationally-inclined like yourself, i would change the url in above code to: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/sig/TxText/main :) > ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfTxText) project version: '0.6') load: > #('ALL'). > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Ann-TxText-New-text-editor-done-tp4683876p4683987.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to understand DateAndTime

by Igor Stasenko

On 28 April 2013 16:19, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Igor, do you mean everything related to millisecondClockValue (primitive > 135)? yes. > That would be very good to get rid of this useless complexity! > Of course it might cost some image freeze since used in Delay (I > accidentally caused a few, but then narrowed my changes to something > softer). > yes.. another reason why i want to get rid of that complicated code which involves Delays. > > 2013/4/28 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> >> On 28 April 2013 08:41, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >> > thanks a lot! >> > Friday we have an official sprint so I'm sure that this issue will be >> > addressed. >> > >> yes. and i hope i will put my changes into the soup as well. >> (i did not published them, and some bits are unfinished). >> >> > Stef >> > >> > See https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10425# and corresponding SLICE >> > in >> > 3.0 inbox >> > Note: I don't know what is the policy with the labels/states of these >> > bug >> > tracker, and it rather bothers me, but the SLICE is ready for >> > tests/reviews. >> > >> > >> > 2013/4/27 Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> >> There is more: >> >> >> >> 1) hasEqualTicks: use julianDayNumber instead of julianDayNumberUTC >> >> 2) (Time dateAndTime now) interprets the (Time localSeconds) which are >> >> from the wrong primitive (seconds ellapsed since squeak epoch >> >> translated to >> >> local time) as seconds ellapsed since squeak Epoch (UTC time). >> >> >> >> We should really ban the old primitive 137 and only use the new one >> >> (240 >> >> which works with UTC microseconds). >> >> >> >> I think Camillo did a good job, but he stopped cleaning too soon. >> >> Ah, young guys are so impatient to invent the future ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/4/27 stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Nicolas Cellier >> >>> <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > Since DateAndTime comment is out of date (sic !) and current >> >>> > implementation seems not free of bug, here is an effort to summarize >> >>> > and >> >>> > understand the whole thing, let's call this a review. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks this is a great initiative! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Please tell me where my interpretations are wrong. >> >>> > >> >>> > 1) The DateAndTime is stored internally as >> >>> > - a point in UTC time (julianDayNumber, seconds, nanos) >> >>> > - an offset from UTC (a Duration) denoting the local time zone >> >>> > >> >>> > 2) The ticks method returns the UTC part {julianDayNumber. seconds. >> >>> > nanos} >> >>> > >> >>> > 3) DateAndTime print themselves in local time using the offset >> >>> > >> >>> > 4) other methods (with some exceptions) return the local dateAndTime >> >>> > parts (year month day hours minutes seconds) >> >>> > >> >>> > Exceptions are: >> >>> > - secondsSinceMidnight (which should be renamed >> >>> > secondsSinceMidnightUTC >> >>> > IMO, even if the method is classified private) >> >>> > - julianDayNumberUTC as the name tells >> >>> > >> >>> > So far so good (but secondsSinceMidnight which is error prone) >> >>> > >> >>> > What I find strange: >> >>> > - #hash uses the offset... Why ??? >> >>> > >> >>> > d1 := DateAndTime now. >> >>> > d2 := d1 offset: d1 offset + 1 hours. >> >>> > { >> >>> > d1 = d2. >> >>> > d1 hash = d2 hash. >> >>> > } >> >>> > gives #(true false), a clue? >> >>> > >> >>> > - #< compares julianDayNumber (the UTC inst. var.) with otherDate >> >>> > julianDayNumber (with otherDate local offset) which seems wrong, it >> >>> > should >> >>> > better use julianDayNumberUTC or (normalized) ticks. >> >>> > >> >>> > - #= could be simplified and accelerated if using #hasEqualTicks: >> >>> > (if >> >>> > the ticks are correctly normalized though which would be the case >> >>> > since >> >>> > #ticks:offset: does, unfortunately #setJdn:seconds:nanos:offset: >> >>> > does not). >> >>> > >> >>> > Some senders of #setJdn:seconds:nanos:offset: don't normalize the >> >>> > day/seconds/nanos, though it should be their responsibility >> >>> > (DateAndTime >> >>> > todayAtMilliSeconds: xxx) (DateAndTime todayAtNanoSeconds: xxx), not >> >>> > counting year:month:day:hour:minute:second:nanoSecond:offset: which >> >>> > does not >> >>> > either (many senders...). >> >>> > Maybe we should better let the normalization responsibility to >> >>> > #setJdn:seconds:nanos:offset:. >> >>> > >> >>> > It remain to analyze the conversion protocol (asYear etc...) which >> >>> > seems to use the local time year, but I don't understand the whole >> >>> > Timespan >> >>> > thing right now (why DateAndTime now asYear starts now, and not on >> >>> > january >> >>> > 1st?). >> >>> > >> >>> > Nicolas >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 28, 2013