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Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Comment aside, there is a #!/bin/bash # line at the top of the http://get.pharo.org/ page, which is outside of the comment that immediately follows it (between ). That bang line, plus -1em margin rule applied to the html body causes a visual glitch at the top, that ruins a perfectly minimal page style :)

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30221

by Andrei Vasile Chis

> 10817 Spec inspector > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10817/ > > WARNING: This change sets new debugger as default :) > Had a quick look and saw that the old debugger is still the default one. Also it would be good to sync with the content from the Debugger repository as it contains some bug fixes. What can I do to make this easy or you? (I can merge the version from pharo with the one from the Debugger repository; should I also create a slice?) Andrei

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 25 Jun 2013, at 16:32, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> Hmm, you also need libssl0.9.8 or libssl0.9.8:i386 for Pharo since it includes SSL/TLS/HTTPS support out of the box. >> >> Anyway, missing deps are easily found using ldd. > > what is the problem with you guys? I spent and continue to spend days > on packaging Pharo for Ubuntu so that everyone can forget about > dependencies and 32 vs. 64 issues. So why do you keep on talking about > this complex and undocumented method of installing Pharo? Just execute > what is documented on the pharo.org website and you are guaranteed to > have the latest version of the VM working whatever your Ubuntu is > (provided it is still supported by Canonical) The recommended, first time experience should indeed be the ppa way - and it should be described as such everywhere. On the other hand, you can't stop Linux users from doing what they want. But then they should bear the consequences and not complain like little children ;-) I for one like the get.pharo.org way a lot as well, and at the same time I have used the ppa install to fix the dependencies on some machines. > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Goubier Thierry

Le 25/06/2013 16:32, Damien Cassou a Ã©crit : > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> Hmm, you also need libssl0.9.8 or libssl0.9.8:i386 for Pharo since it includes SSL/TLS/HTTPS support out of the box. >> >> Anyway, missing deps are easily found using ldd. > > > what is the problem with you guys? I spent and continue to spend days > on packaging Pharo for Ubuntu so that everyone can forget about > dependencies and 32 vs. 64 issues. So why do you keep on talking about > this complex and undocumented method of installing Pharo? Just execute > what is documented on the pharo.org website and you are guaranteed to > have the latest version of the VM working whatever your Ubuntu is > (provided it is still supported by Canonical) And I do appreciate the work and uses it :) But I can understand someone trying to get the linux pharo distribution to work, unless the pharo site recommend get.pharo.org + the pharo ppa as the default approach (I know I would). Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hmm, you also need libssl0.9.8 or libssl0.9.8:i386 for Pharo since it includes SSL/TLS/HTTPS support out of the box. > > Anyway, missing deps are easily found using ldd. what is the problem with you guys? I spent and continue to spend days on packaging Pharo for Ubuntu so that everyone can forget about dependencies and 32 vs. 64 issues. So why do you keep on talking about this complex and undocumented method of installing Pharo? Just execute what is documented on the pharo.org website and you are guaranteed to have the latest version of the VM working whatever your Ubuntu is (provided it is still supported by Canonical) -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Goubier Thierry

Le 25/06/2013 16:17, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : > > On 25 Jun 2013, at 16:11, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 25 June 2013 15:10, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Le 25/06/2013 15:52, kilon a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> Thiery must be correct I am must be missing i386 libraries cause my >>>> ubuntu >>>> is amd64 , how I get them ? Also can someone update the site so ubuntu >>>> users >>>> don't have the same problem as me ? >>> >>> >>> There was something along the lines of ia32-libs but it may be deprecated >>> with the advent of multilibs in Ubuntu/Debian, I need to check. >>> >>> Yes, it's either : >>> >>> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs >> >> That installs an enormous amount of stuff. You can also just `sudo >> apt-get install libc6:i386`. That works for Squeak, at least. I don't >> know if Pharo depends on anything more exotic. Probably not, given >> that Dale Henrich's builderCI does this for Travis CI tests. > > Hmm, you also need libssl0.9.8 or libssl0.9.8:i386 for Pharo since it includes SSL/TLS/HTTPS support out of the box. That's why I prefer the ia32-libs approach... You may also need a libcairo:i386, and a few more stuff (did someone had a problem with odbc?) The base pharo has very few dependencies (libc6:i386) but the plugins have more and it becomes a bit more involved to chase them. > Anyway, missing deps are easily found using ldd. Even if you use native boost and friends to load a library? Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by kilon

thank you frank :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Pharo-does-not-work-on-ubuntu-13-04-tp46950… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Object >> #is:

by Nicolas Cellier

Except that arithmetic on Fraction isExact, or should I say is: #exact, while on Float is not, so definitely a Float is not a Fraction, even if its internal representation is a Fraction. 2013/6/25 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > On 25 June 2013 13:34, Nicolas Cellier > <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > That does not answer my problem. > > 2 both is: #fraction (with 1 denominator) and is: #integer so how do you > > implement? > > or: [super is: #number] ? > > > > i know you can give plenty of ideas how you would do it, like: > > #(foo bar baz) includes: yourQuery > > but i wouldn't recommend it :) > > > Btw i find it really strange, why for Integer it answers true, > but not for Floats > > i actually would expect that: > > 10e50 isFraction > 0.5 isFraction > should also answer true > > because the floating-point numbers, which we are using in computers, > can be represented by a fraction. > And only those, which cannot be represented by fraction (like Pi) > should answer false. > So, please, fix it, and then we will think how to better implement > polymorphic check with single #is: method :) > > > > > 2013/6/25 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> On 25 June 2013 12:47, Nicolas Cellier > >> <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > But in some cases, you will end up with an object that is more than > one > >> > thing: > >> > - a Number > >> > - an Integer > >> > - a Fraction > >> > For example 0 shall answer yes to these 3. > >> > So ^foo == #specialName just does not work, or you end up with caseOf: > >> > > >> > >> err, why? > >> > >> if you define it like: > >> > >> Number>>is: symbol > >> ^ symbol == #number > >> > >> > >> 0 is: #number => true > >> 0.0 is: #number => true > >> 0/1 is: #number => true > >> ? > >> > >> It is actually up to implementor how to his own classes should process > >> #is: message. > >> The only invariant (which imo best one), that Object should always > >> answer false to #is: message no matter what parameter you passed, to > >> avoid any ambiguous cases and keep things simple and easy to remember. > >> That means, that unless you override this method in own class, its > >> instances will always answer false to #is: message. > >> And when you override it, you are free to define it the way you like... > >> > >> MyClass>>is: foo > >> ^ foo class == self class > >> or > >> MyClass>>is: foo > >> ^ foo class name == self class name > >> or > >> > >> MyClass>>is: foo > >> ^ foo isKindOf: MyClass > >> > >> (no limits to imagination :) > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Igor Stasenko. > >> > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 25 Jun 2013, at 16:11, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 25 June 2013 15:10, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> >> >> Le 25/06/2013 15:52, kilon a Ã©crit : >> >>> Thiery must be correct I am must be missing i386 libraries cause my >>> ubuntu >>> is amd64 , how I get them ? Also can someone update the site so ubuntu >>> users >>> don't have the same problem as me ? >> >> >> There was something along the lines of ia32-libs but it may be deprecated >> with the advent of multilibs in Ubuntu/Debian, I need to check. >> >> Yes, it's either : >> >> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs > > That installs an enormous amount of stuff. You can also just `sudo > apt-get install libc6:i386`. That works for Squeak, at least. I don't > know if Pharo depends on anything more exotic. Probably not, given > that Dale Henrich's builderCI does this for Travis CI tests. Hmm, you also need libssl0.9.8 or libssl0.9.8:i386 for Pharo since it includes SSL/TLS/HTTPS support out of the box. Anyway, missing deps are easily found using ldd. > frank > >> or >> >> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs-multiarch:i386 >> >> >>> Just basic info how to install pharo on linux should be enough. Afterall >>> amd64 is what every modern pc would use. >> >> >> I completely agree with you :) >> >> Thierry >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> >

June 25, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo does not work on ubuntu 13.04

by kilon

yeap it works now, thank you Thierry :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-dev-Pharo-does-not-work-on-ubuntu-13-04-tp46950… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 25, 2013