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Re: [Pharo-dev] specialSelectors

by Eliot Miranda

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i think you can feel the difference while running interpreter. > With JIT it makes little sense to have special selectors imo. > There are two advantages. Space; special selectors encode a message send in 1 byte, instead of 1 byte for the send bytecode + 4 bytes for the literal selector. Optimization; the JIT (as does the interpreter) inlines +,-,*,/ etc for SmallInteger and then does even more inlining for >,<,>=,<=,== when they're followed by a jump. As far as space goes, now that the system is 32-bit, and especially if it is 64-bit there is an opportunity to add 256 special selectors and use a two-byte special selector bytecode, 2 < 1 + 4. VisualWorks does this. There are problems though; over time the most statically frequent selectors can change as the library changes (e.g. blockCopy: is no longer used). > > On 4 September 2013 12:31, Nicolas Cellier < > nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Agree, >> My point was to ensure there was no speedup, so it's only a space >> optimization (1 slot saved from literals, times 5000 senders or so per >> selector plus maybe a byte for the send bytecode ?). >> However the arithmetic ops, comparisons, bit ops, at: at:put:, == and >> class special selectors still have some specific speed up, especially in >> COG, so we cannot get rid of specialSelectors alltogether... >> >> >> 2013/9/4 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >> >>> >>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:08 AM, Nicolas Cellier < >>> nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I note that #class was removed from specialSelectors (nilled entry) so >>> as to not use the VM hack which fetches the class without sending a message. >>> > Pharo prefers the regular message send. >>> > But next to that entry, there is #blockCopy: which was formerly used >>> for blue book BlockContext. >>> > BlockContext was removed from Pharo... >>> > So that makes two available slots for optimizing most used (sent) >>> messages... >>> > We might choose some candidates and test on some macro benchmark if >>> ever that really makes a difference. >>> >>> I am not sure if optimizations on that level make senseâ¦ >>> >>> Marcus >>> >> >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- best, Eliot

Sept. 4, 2013

Monticello Zinc Socket timeout

by Camillo Bruni

We have this strange bug again that we get timeouts on the Squeaksource, I thought the Sven fixed it, but it still persists in the latest image. I reopened https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?6923

Sept. 4, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Sprint in Buenos Aires

by Camillo Bruni

>From the doodle we're around 7, so I'd count with something like 10 people? And yes, I think internet connection is a requirement, at least for updating the issue tracker. On 2013-09-04, at 10:32, Nicolas Passerini <npasserini(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think UTN is not a good idea for a Pharo sprint, because we will need a > good Internet connection and that can not be guaranteed here. > (Or correct me and tell me that Internet connection is not a must, so we > can meet here at UTN without problems). > > How much people is coming to the Sprint? > > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Sebastian Tleye <stleye(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The Pabellon 1 is closed on saturdays afternoon, but have you asked for >> Pabellon 2? I think it's open on saturdays (i don't know if it is possible >> to book a room) >> >> >> 2013/9/4 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Probably UTN? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires >>>> Saturday, the 14th of September. >>>> The question is now where do we meet? >>>> The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that is not >>>> possible the weekend. >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> On 2013-09-03, at 09:05, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cool. I'll be there, of course! >>>>> Keep us informed. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> everything is open so far, guido had the idea of reserving a room at >>>> the >>>>>> UBA, >>>>>> we will have more details tomorrow :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2013-09-02, at 21:24, Gisela Decuzzi <giseladecuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Great! The idea is to spend the full day? Or do you have any planed >>>> time? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/9/2 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I spend a month in Buenos Aires working together with Guido Chari @ >>>> the >>>>>>>> UBA, >>>>>>>> we take this opportunity to organize a Pharo sprint outside France >>>> ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We are in early preparation phase and the date nor location isn't >>>> fixed >>>>>>>> yet, >>>>>>>> so if you are motivated to join, can mark possible dates on this >>>> doodle: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://doodle.com/qey7iieqm5yr4wwy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>> camillo >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mariano >>>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>

Sept. 4, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [tlp] Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sprint in Buenos Aires

by Nicolas Passerini

If you say so... The Systems Department won't be open on Saturday afternoon, but we could reserve a lab. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Clara Allende <clari.allende(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On the 4th floor there's some stable connection. Also if we are not too > much people we could use the teacher's room at Systems Department... Or one > of the laboratories in the 3rd floor (the yellow one would be nice). > > > On 4 September 2013 10:32, Nicolas Passerini <npasserini(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think UTN is not a good idea for a Pharo sprint, because we will need a >> good Internet connection and that can not be guaranteed here. >> (Or correct me and tell me that Internet connection is not a must, so we >> can meet here at UTN without problems). >> >> How much people is coming to the Sprint? >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Sebastian Tleye <stleye(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> The Pabellon 1 is closed on saturdays afternoon, but have you asked for >>> Pabellon 2? I think it's open on saturdays (i don't know if it is possible >>> to book a room) >>> >>> >>> 2013/9/4 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> Probably UTN? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires >>>>> Saturday, the 14th of September. >>>>> The question is now where do we meet? >>>>> The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that is not >>>>> possible the weekend. >>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-09-03, at 09:05, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Cool. I'll be there, of course! >>>>> > Keep us informed. >>>>> > Cheers, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Camillo Bruni < >>>>> camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> everything is open so far, guido had the idea of reserving a room >>>>> at the >>>>> >> UBA, >>>>> >> we will have more details tomorrow :) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 2013-09-02, at 21:24, Gisela Decuzzi <giseladecuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>> Great! The idea is to spend the full day? Or do you have any >>>>> planed time? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> 2013/9/2 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> I spend a month in Buenos Aires working together with Guido Chari >>>>> @ the >>>>> >>>> UBA, >>>>> >>>> we take this opportunity to organize a Pharo sprint outside >>>>> France ;) >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> We are in early preparation phase and the date nor location isn't >>>>> fixed >>>>> >>>> yet, >>>>> >>>> so if you are motivated to join, can mark possible dates on this >>>>> doodle: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> http://doodle.com/qey7iieqm5yr4wwy >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> cheers, >>>>> >>>> camillo >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Mariano >>>>> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Taller de Lenguajes de ProgramaciÃ³n" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tlp-utn-2012+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Taller de Lenguajes de ProgramaciÃ³n" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tlp-utn-2012+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >

Sept. 4, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [tlp] Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sprint in Buenos Aires

by Clara Allende

On the 4th floor there's some stable connection. Also if we are not too much people we could use the teacher's room at Systems Department... Or one of the laboratories in the 3rd floor (the yellow one would be nice). On 4 September 2013 10:32, Nicolas Passerini <npasserini(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think UTN is not a good idea for a Pharo sprint, because we will need a > good Internet connection and that can not be guaranteed here. > (Or correct me and tell me that Internet connection is not a must, so we > can meet here at UTN without problems). > > How much people is coming to the Sprint? > > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Sebastian Tleye <stleye(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The Pabellon 1 is closed on saturdays afternoon, but have you asked for >> Pabellon 2? I think it's open on saturdays (i don't know if it is possible >> to book a room) >> >> >> 2013/9/4 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Probably UTN? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires >>>> Saturday, the 14th of September. >>>> The question is now where do we meet? >>>> The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that is not >>>> possible the weekend. >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> On 2013-09-03, at 09:05, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Cool. I'll be there, of course! >>>> > Keep us informed. >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Camillo Bruni < >>>> camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> everything is open so far, guido had the idea of reserving a room at >>>> the >>>> >> UBA, >>>> >> we will have more details tomorrow :) >>>> >> >>>> >> On 2013-09-02, at 21:24, Gisela Decuzzi <giseladecuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> Great! The idea is to spend the full day? Or do you have any planed >>>> time? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> 2013/9/2 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> I spend a month in Buenos Aires working together with Guido Chari >>>> @ the >>>> >>>> UBA, >>>> >>>> we take this opportunity to organize a Pharo sprint outside France >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We are in early preparation phase and the date nor location isn't >>>> fixed >>>> >>>> yet, >>>> >>>> so if you are motivated to join, can mark possible dates on this >>>> doodle: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://doodle.com/qey7iieqm5yr4wwy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> camillo >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Mariano >>>> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Taller de Lenguajes de ProgramaciÃ³n" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tlp-utn-2012+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >

Sept. 4, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Sprint in Buenos Aires

by Nicolas Passerini

I think UTN is not a good idea for a Pharo sprint, because we will need a good Internet connection and that can not be guaranteed here. (Or correct me and tell me that Internet connection is not a must, so we can meet here at UTN without problems). How much people is coming to the Sprint? On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Sebastian Tleye <stleye(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The Pabellon 1 is closed on saturdays afternoon, but have you asked for > Pabellon 2? I think it's open on saturdays (i don't know if it is possible > to book a room) > > > 2013/9/4 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > >> Probably UTN? >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires >>> Saturday, the 14th of September. >>> The question is now where do we meet? >>> The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that is not >>> possible the weekend. >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> On 2013-09-03, at 09:05, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Cool. I'll be there, of course! >>> > Keep us informed. >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com >>> >wrote: >>> > >>> >> everything is open so far, guido had the idea of reserving a room at >>> the >>> >> UBA, >>> >> we will have more details tomorrow :) >>> >> >>> >> On 2013-09-02, at 21:24, Gisela Decuzzi <giseladecuzzi(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Great! The idea is to spend the full day? Or do you have any planed >>> time? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/9/2 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I spend a month in Buenos Aires working together with Guido Chari @ >>> the >>> >>>> UBA, >>> >>>> we take this opportunity to organize a Pharo sprint outside France >>> ;) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> We are in early preparation phase and the date nor location isn't >>> fixed >>> >>>> yet, >>> >>>> so if you are motivated to join, can mark possible dates on this >>> doodle: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> http://doodle.com/qey7iieqm5yr4wwy >>> >>>> >>> >>>> cheers, >>> >>>> camillo >>> >>>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Mariano >>> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >>> >> >

Sept. 4, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Sprint in Buenos Aires

by Sebastian Tleye

The Pabellon 1 is closed on saturdays afternoon, but have you asked for Pabellon 2? I think it's open on saturdays (i don't know if it is possible to book a room) 2013/9/4 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > Probably UTN? > > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires >> Saturday, the 14th of September. >> The question is now where do we meet? >> The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that is not >> possible the weekend. >> Any suggestions? >> >> On 2013-09-03, at 09:05, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Cool. I'll be there, of course! >> > Keep us informed. >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com >> >wrote: >> > >> >> everything is open so far, guido had the idea of reserving a room at >> the >> >> UBA, >> >> we will have more details tomorrow :) >> >> >> >> On 2013-09-02, at 21:24, Gisela Decuzzi <giseladecuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Great! The idea is to spend the full day? Or do you have any planed >> time? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2013/9/2 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >> >>> >> >>>> I spend a month in Buenos Aires working together with Guido Chari @ >> the >> >>>> UBA, >> >>>> we take this opportunity to organize a Pharo sprint outside France ;) >> >>>> >> >>>> We are in early preparation phase and the date nor location isn't >> fixed >> >>>> yet, >> >>>> so if you are motivated to join, can mark possible dates on this >> doodle: >> >>>> >> >>>> http://doodle.com/qey7iieqm5yr4wwy >> >>>> >> >>>> cheers, >> >>>> camillo >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mariano >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> >

Sept. 4, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Interesting regression on 30366

by Stephan Eggermont

Triangulating... 14636, 14632, 14620 Both older versions have problems with cleaning up after NB, all three have problems with high prio process, the newest two with localhostname & blockclosures. Stephan And an even older version: 'NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 Jul 31 2013 NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid: acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 Jul 31 2013 git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 2214cee58a5c5266b8ab2322b98471553b1b11c2 Date: 2013-07-31 15:32:06 +0200 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14620 ' 11287 run, 11257 passes, 12 skipped, 26 expected failures, 4 failures, 0 errors, 0 unexpected passes Failures: ProcessTest>>#testHighPriorityOverridesWaitTime ReleaseTest>>#testObsoleteBehaviors DelayTest>>#testMultiProcessWaitOnSameDelay ReleaseTest>>#testUnknownProcesses Errors: 11287 run, 11234 passes, 12 skipped, 26 expected failures, 4 failures, 23 errors, 0 unexpected passes Failures: DelayTest>>#testMultiProcessWaitOnSameDelay ReleaseTest>>#testObsoleteBehaviors ProcessTest>>#testHighPriorityOverridesWaitTime ReleaseTest>>#testUnknownProcesses Errors: NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testEnumCase1ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testEnumCase1ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testEnumCase2ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testEnumCase2ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testEnumCase3ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testEnumCase3ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testEnumCase4ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testEnumCase4ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testIntCase1ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testIntCase1ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testIntCase2ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testIntCase2ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testIntCase3ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testIntCase3ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testIntCase4ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testStructCase1ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testStructCase1ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testStructCase2ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testStructCase2ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testStructCase3ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testStructCase3ExternalAddress NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testStructCase4ByteArray NBPointerArgumentsTests>>#testStructCase4ExternalAddress

Sept. 4, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Sprint in Buenos Aires

by Guillermo Polito

Probably UTN? On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires > Saturday, the 14th of September. > The question is now where do we meet? > The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that is not > possible the weekend. > Any suggestions? > > On 2013-09-03, at 09:05, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Cool. I'll be there, of course! > > Keep us informed. > > Cheers, > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> everything is open so far, guido had the idea of reserving a room at the > >> UBA, > >> we will have more details tomorrow :) > >> > >> On 2013-09-02, at 21:24, Gisela Decuzzi <giseladecuzzi(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> Great! The idea is to spend the full day? Or do you have any planed > time? > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/9/2 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>>> I spend a month in Buenos Aires working together with Guido Chari @ > the > >>>> UBA, > >>>> we take this opportunity to organize a Pharo sprint outside France ;) > >>>> > >>>> We are in early preparation phase and the date nor location isn't > fixed > >>>> yet, > >>>> so if you are motivated to join, can mark possible dates on this > doodle: > >>>> > >>>> http://doodle.com/qey7iieqm5yr4wwy > >>>> > >>>> cheers, > >>>> camillo > >>>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

Sept. 4, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo Sprint in Buenos Aires

by Camillo Bruni

So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires Saturday, the 14th of September. The question is now where do we meet? The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that is not possible the weekend. Any suggestions? On 2013-09-03, at 09:05, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Cool. I'll be there, of course! > Keep us informed. > Cheers, > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> everything is open so far, guido had the idea of reserving a room at the >> UBA, >> we will have more details tomorrow :) >> >> On 2013-09-02, at 21:24, Gisela Decuzzi <giseladecuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Great! The idea is to spend the full day? Or do you have any planed time? >>> >>> >>> 2013/9/2 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> I spend a month in Buenos Aires working together with Guido Chari @ the >>>> UBA, >>>> we take this opportunity to organize a Pharo sprint outside France ;) >>>> >>>> We are in early preparation phase and the date nor location isn't fixed >>>> yet, >>>> so if you are motivated to join, can mark possible dates on this doodle: >>>> >>>> http://doodle.com/qey7iieqm5yr4wwy >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> camillo >>>> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Sept. 4, 2013