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Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you

by phil＠highoctane.be

Yes, something like that. The ability to integrate a component showing a map with data from a collection mapping to it in a way and some Ajaxy popups with the details. Well, this is going to be a 3-day hackathon, not a full fledged dev. Thanks for the info. --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>wrote: > 2013/9/18 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:21 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> What I'd be interested in is any code/framework for GIS open data > reading / > >> Google Maps integration / Open Street Map stuff. > > What do you mean by "Google Maps integration"? > > Attached goes a screenshot (*) of the pilot app I'm developing, it has > a small set of JavaScript code on the client handling live updates > coming from a Zinc Websocket (serialized by NeoJson), updates that > were handled before by a Seaside-REST interface, handling requests > coming from mobile clients. > > I plan to implement GeoJSON in my app and use it against the MongoDB > of Voyage, but I didn't have time yet to properly integrate, not to > mention to share it. > > Or by integration you mean Seaside integration? Like generating the > map as if it were a seaside component? > > Regards, > > (*) Sorry it is blurred, I can't disclose more than this. >

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 18 Sep 2013, at 21:41, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2013/9/18 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:21 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> What I'd be interested in is any code/framework for GIS open data reading / >>> Google Maps integration / Open Street Map stuff. > > What do you mean by "Google Maps integration"? > > Attached goes a screenshot (*) of the pilot app I'm developing, it has > a small set of JavaScript code on the client handling live updates > coming from a Zinc Websocket (serialized by NeoJson), updates that > were handled before by a Seaside-REST interface, handling requests > coming from mobile clients. > > I plan to implement GeoJSON in my app and use it against the MongoDB > of Voyage, but I didn't have time yet to properly integrate, not to > mention to share it. > > Or by integration you mean Seaside integration? Like generating the > map as if it were a seaside component? > > Regards, > > (*) Sorry it is blurred, I can't disclose more than this. This is seriously cool, really. Too bad you can't say more ;-) I for one am very interested ! > <Screenshot---Mapa.png>

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] PBE2?

by Serge Stinckwich

Maybe you can setup a new branch on the current repository. This what We have for the french translation. EnvoyÃ© de mon iPhone Le 18 sept. 2013 Ã 17:26, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> a Ã©crit : > > On 18 Ð²ÐµÑ. 2013, at 18:17, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree. We need someone to take the lead and distribute the work. Do >>>> you volunteer? >>> I'm thinking about starting doing that myself, and if I'll manage to review a couple of paragraphs each day I can say that I can take a lead :). >>> >>> Do you think that moving PBE to pier will be too hard? >> >> No we should just simplify when something is not working at the latex level. >> So indeed it would be cool to migrate the book using the pier syntax like that we will get a new one >> in pdf, latex and more. >> >> We can set up a new jenkins script, git hub repo and get started. > Would be nice. > >> >> Stef >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Cassou >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>>> losing enthusiasm." >>>> Winston Churchill > >

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/9/18 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:21 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> What I'd be interested in is any code/framework for GIS open data reading / >> Google Maps integration / Open Street Map stuff. What do you mean by "Google Maps integration"? Attached goes a screenshot (*) of the pilot app I'm developing, it has a small set of JavaScript code on the client handling live updates coming from a Zinc Websocket (serialized by NeoJson), updates that were handled before by a Seaside-REST interface, handling requests coming from mobile clients. I plan to implement GeoJSON in my app and use it against the MongoDB of Voyage, but I didn't have time yet to properly integrate, not to mention to share it. Or by integration you mean Seaside integration? Like generating the map as if it were a seaside component? Regards, (*) Sorry it is blurred, I can't disclose more than this.

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] PBE2?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yuri before starting (I started to port the SUnit chapter) I think that we should decide how we extend pier to support \url \cite \index I proposed something like ##cite| ## or ##index| ## because we should not lose all the nice work done for PBE I will talk to damien when I see him. Stef On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > On 18 Ð²ÐµÑ. 2013, at 18:17, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree. We need someone to take the lead and distribute the work. Do >>>> you volunteer? >>> I'm thinking about starting doing that myself, and if I'll manage to review a couple of paragraphs each day I can say that I can take a lead :). >>> >>> Do you think that moving PBE to pier will be too hard? >> >> No we should just simplify when something is not working at the latex level. >> So indeed it would be cool to migrate the book using the pier syntax like that we will get a new one >> in pdf, latex and more. >> >> We can set up a new jenkins script, git hub repo and get started. > Would be nice. > >> >> Stef >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Cassou >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>>> losing enthusiasm." >>>> Winston Churchill >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Putting load on smalltalkhub

by Stephan Eggermont

Sven wrote >StHub is an important shared community resource. Definitely. And this is a stop-the-line problem. Having a single image on an ADSL connection bring down smalltalkhub doing one mcz request at a time means there is a serious dos risk. 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Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> >> >>> Stephane, >>> >>> This mail is in part a personal disclaimer and in part "a suggestion". >>> >>> In my case I'm chasing a big customer prospect (took longer than >>> expected but we're almost there), >> >> cool I cross my fingers for you :) > > Keep them crossed ;-) > > >>> But I think that the user base, as humble or small as it might be, >>> _must not be disregarded_. >> >> Did we ever give this impression? I hope not. >> Still my question remains valid :). > > I remember having read that if we want to make Pharo better we have to > provide measurable contributions. As if opinions didn't count as such. > They're certainly not measurable, but such expressions discourage/mute > people enthusiasm (those whom have a lot of enthusiasm will stay > though). > > Having that said, I'm happy with what I see and use everyday. The > Pharo vision is getting real everyday. > > On the other hand, even considering myself a seasoned Smalltalker > (VSE, VAST, Dolphin), the learning curve of Pharo "tools" and workflow > requires dedication, is not as intuitive as one might think once used > to them. > > Magic word for Pharo 3 and beyond: "convergence" :) We were discussing that for Pharo4.0 we will focus on tools (in addition to the rest) For Pharo3.0: OPAL and Athens.

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:21 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Nah, forget about the money. > > What I'd be interested in is any code/framework for GIS open data reading / Google Maps integration / Open Street Map stuff. I proposed a bachelor on open street map. I should publishe the topics :) > > I am going to spend a couple hours tomorrow looking and reading some data into Pharo (maybe using PetitParser and the XML stuff in the process). > > Here is a set of data I'll be looking at. > http://www.symbaloo.com/mix/hackathonegov > > Question: are they any Pharo materials I can use to distribute around (except the leaflet) ? I did that to get started. > That's a case where Pharo T-shirts/stickers would come in handy. Open Data, Open Source, Public Sector, hey... Send me pointers so that I can arrange stuff for early october. > > > Oh, another thing, I've the possibility to talk to future Polytechnic Engineers in november about mobile apps. I will for sure stick some Pharo in there (e.g. Seaside + jQuery Mobile) If you need some slides let us know. I just gave all my slides to Alain for his lecture > > Regards, > > --- > Philippe Back > Dramatic Performance Improvements > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 > Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu > Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium > > Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ > Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com > Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller > > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 4:56 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 4:00 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> Amen. >> >> FWIW, I am promoting Pharo as a technology I'll use during the eGov Hackathon Weekend in early october. >> >> http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/home/agenda/agenda/hackathon-egov-walloni… >> http://hackathonegovwallonia.net/ >> >> "Chacun des prototypes de service ou dâapplications dÃ©veloppÃ©s au cours et dans le cadre du Hackathon eGov Wallonia feront lâobjet dâune vaste publicitÃ©" > > Excellent! > >> >> Well, I guess I'll manage to get some Pharo mentions in there. >> >> (And I paid the EUR 85 ticket to get in, damnit.) > > the association can reimbruse you if you want. >> >> /Phil > >

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can't correctly inspect ring definitions

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote: > RGClassDescriptionDefinition should be polymorphic with > ClassDescription. But #instVarNamed: is protocol of Object, so why to > override it there? > > Concretely, I have instances of RGClassDefinition and I can't: > > 1) inspect them as regular objects > 2) use STON to serialize > > Because both use #instVarNamed:, which is answering nil. but why does it answer nil and not the object? > > MartÃn > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:07 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> I'm trying to really understand because it depends if ring should be a layer that should be used in place >> of real object. And to me Ring should be this layer. We could imagine that all the tools manipulate ring objects. >> If you introduce a new message then this opens the door to isKindOf: hell (or you should add this message to object too and the inspector should only use instVarNamed: and cannot work with Ring). >> I do not know what is the solution but it is not to simply add a message. >> >> So what is the real problem? >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> In the attached png I show how 'annotations' is a dictionary in the >>> "all inst vars" entry, while it is nil in the 'annotations' entry. >> >> I do not get the problem >> >> >>> >>> The reason is that #instVarNamed: is redefined in >>> RGClassDescriptionDefinition to answer the >>> RGInstanceVariableDefinition representing the requested instance >>> variable of the *represented class* (or nil if there is no instance >>> variable with that name). >>> >>> I know that a purpose of ring entities is to be polymorphic with the >>> represented system entities. But #instVarNamed: is protocol of Object, >>> not of Class or ClassDescription. >>> >>> I you agree I will open an issue and submit a fix: >>> >>> To rename the method in RGClassDescriptionDefinition to >>> #instanceVariableNamed: and update the test. >>> >>> MartÃn >>> <Screen Shot 2013-09-18 at 10.57.18 AM.png> >> >> >

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Putting load on smalltalkhub

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 18 Sep 2013, at 17:19, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 18 September 2013 13:18, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > Around 12.00 we managed to load and analyze upto 100 mczs/minute from Smalltalkhub. > We hoped that we would not be able to overload Smalltalkhub from a home ADSL > connection, using a single (non multi-threaded) Moose image. > However, this seems to coincide with some failing jenkins builds. We apologize for any > inconveniences we might have caused. What is the best way to get a copy? > Or is our analysis wrong? > > Diego & Stephan > > > i think you should contact Nico about how to run tests > using some test server first, and only if it passes, on deployed one :) +1 StHub is an important shared community resource. > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Sept. 18, 2013