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Re: [Pharo-dev] default monospaced code font

by dimitris chloupis

Dont understand the point you try to make. Using Blender settings is like the first thing you will do , to use Blender or any 3d app. I have used blender on 9'' netbook with super slow cpu. You can use it without numpad.Â I repeat 3d apps dont care and should not care about beginners. What a beginner thinks about the GUI of a 3d app, just does not matter. If he does not feel lost then he does not use a 3d app. There is no way to produce a begineer friendly GUI for a 3d app as it would be for iPhone , or iPad apps. The future set is just insanely huge to do so. Also its a bad idea because you will need a complex GUI anyway to do even the most basic 3d art.Â If you want to do very basic 3d art then you should use apps specializing on such thing and definitely not Blender. Â Blender has a very impressive GUI , but in the end is like operating Star Ship Enterprise without the help of its onboard AI computer. Thats the price of photorealism. If you are not willing to take on that kind of complexity then you are not cut out for 3d app. Maya and 3d Studio Max which have the monopoly in 3d apps are far more ugly and far less usable than Blender. Â Â 3d is so complex that most 3d artists specialize on specific areas. This is why I think they have the most demanding GUIs in software.Â Wasted space ? Where ? Blender GUI is scalable , customisable., dockable , drag and dropable They have recently implemented also retina support and there are on going ports for android and iOS. Blender GUI is one of the first full blown OpenGL guis and is lighting fast. Blender GUI also supports flow based coding, using nodes and recently custom nodes have been implemented allowing any python script to be visualised as nodes inside blender.Â Â I can go on for days on its feature set. Â Its just huge and very well thought out. Does it beat Softimage ? Nope Softimage is still the King. But definitely beats behemoths as 3ds MAX and Maya that have big issues with their guis.Â No idea why you don't find it impressive, you should.Â On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 17:40, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: Le 16/10/2013 15:05, dimitris chloupis a Ã©crit : > > Blender also has very nice GUI, used to be awful at it, but a few years > ago they committed the biggest Coding Sin, they rewrote the software and > old GUI was thrown away. Its no Softimage but its a good example none > the less. Definitely much better than Pharo. Hum. I'm utterly lost in the Blender GUI. The fact I'm trying it on a netbook with a 11"6 screen and no keypad has probably something to do with it: you can't even use it without going into the options and remapping the keyboard shortcuts... And all that wasted space! So count me as not impressed by that GUI. Maybe as a good power user GUI, for someone who has a 30" display, a full size keyboard, a mouse and invested the time to learn it. The GUI that accomodates beginners and power user on a highly complex system is a rare beast indeed :( However, like the dark theme discussion, it shows something of interest for Pharo: egoistic applications which takes over a full screen with their own selfish look and feel are perfectly fine :):) Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec error

by Sean P. DeNigris

Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote > Without further information, I can not do much more I sent #openDialogWithSpec, and the offending symbol is #DialogWindowSpec ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spec-error-tp4714069p4715018.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Old Compiler is now unload able!

by Sean P. DeNigris

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote > Well said! Indeed :) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Old-Compiler-is-now-unload-able-tp4714845p4715017.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] https://pharo.fogbugz.com ??

by Sean P. DeNigris

abergel wrote > How can I create a login on https://pharo.fogbugz.com ? > I have created a login on bugs.pharo.org. I am not sure how does this > differ from the fogbugz... The login you created should work for fogbugz. Now that we have a permalink to the registration page, I've added it to the fogbugz welcome page. HTH ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/https-pharo-fogbugz-com-tp4714366p4715016.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Color is strange

by Camillo Bruni

haltOnce :) On 2013-10-16, at 16:53, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > put a halt > > XD > > Ben > > On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:49 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> I wonder if this is me that miss something importantâ¦ but here is what I did: >> >> Color>>printOn: aStream >> | name | >> Transcript show:'x'. >> (name := self name) ifNotNil: >> [ ^ aStream >> nextPutAll: 'Color '; >> nextPutAll: name ]. >> self storeOn: aStream >> >> >> then I type >> >> 1 makeAnError and execute it. >> >> and in the transcript I get >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSmallInteger >> >> I'm totally puzzled why would we printOn: color ? before even opening a browser. >> >> stef >

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] 12 issues tagged for the spring Friday

by Benjamin

Cool :P Ben On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > I tagged 12 issues that should be quite nice to be done Friday: > (tag sprint, non closed): > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?sColumns=Category-Favorite-Case-TitleC… > > > Marcus

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Color is strange

by Benjamin

put a halt XD Ben On Oct 16, 2013, at 4:49 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > I wonder if this is me that miss something importantâ¦ but here is what I did: > > Color>>printOn: aStream > | name | > Transcript show:'x'. > (name := self name) ifNotNil: > [ ^ aStream > nextPutAll: 'Color '; > nextPutAll: name ]. > self storeOn: aStream > > > then I type > > 1 makeAnError and execute it. > > and in the transcript I get > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSmallInteger > > I'm totally puzzled why would we printOn: color ? before even opening a browser. > > stef

Oct. 16, 2013

12 issues tagged for the spring Friday

by Marcus Denker

Hi, I tagged 12 issues that should be quite nice to be done Friday: (tag sprint, non closed): https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?sColumns=Category-Favorite-Case-TitleC… Marcus

Oct. 16, 2013

Color is strange

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys I wonder if this is me that miss something importantâ¦ but here is what I did: Color>>printOn: aStream | name | Transcript show:'x'. (name := self name) ifNotNil: [ ^ aStream nextPutAll: 'Color '; nextPutAll: name ]. self storeOn: aStream then I type 1 makeAnError and execute it. and in the transcript I get xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSmallInteger I'm totally puzzled why would we printOn: color ? before even opening a browser. stef

Oct. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Old Compiler is now unload able!

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

+10 On 16 Oct 2013, at 13:59, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Well said! > > Stef > > On Oct 16, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> This is amazing work! Thank you! >> >> I am an outsider in this topic, but I would kindly ask everyone to take a moment and consider the achievement. >> >> This is the first important sign of a long, tedious and highly undervalued work towards a goal set essentially from the very beginning of Pharo. It might not appear glamorous, but it certainly is a cornerstone. >> >> It is precisely this type of work that places Pharo in a land of its own. >> >> Doru >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> This opens a wide range of improvements. The future will be bright :). >> Thanks clement, camillo and marcus for this effort. >> Opal + slots will be really sexy. >> >> Stef >> >> > Bravo! >> > >> > Thierry >> > >> > Le 16/10/2013 11:15, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> You can now do: >> >> >> >> ScriptLoader new unloadPackageNamed: 'CompilerTests'. >> >> ScriptLoader new unloadPackageNamed: 'Compiler'. >> >> >> >> and the system continues to work. >> >> >> >> >> >> Marcus >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Thierry Goubier >> > CEA list >> > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> > France >> > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >

Oct. 16, 2013