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Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-10-23, at 13:47, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'll remove the script again, this is silly duplication that is going to be >> outdated very quickly. It points already to the jenkins job, this is where >> everything happens. > > so I will readd it. > Camillo can you respect people that do not think like you? well respect at least markdown and make it look properly formatted...

Oct. 23, 2013

Fwd: Epicea

by Martin Dias

Hello, This announcement is for those who develop in latest Pharo 3 and are curious about a more advanced way of recording code changes than the current ".changes" mechanism. In particular, it should be useful when your image crashes and you want to recover lost changes. Some of you may have seen a demo at ESUG. Epicea is far from stable or beautiful [1], but you can try it and any feedback or collaboration would be welcome. Download it You can download an image from Jenkins ci build [2]. Also you can load it with: Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'MartinDias' project: 'Epicea'; loadStable. Use it Record To start recording, do: EpLog current enable. After that, any change you do in the image (e.g. creating a class, modifying a method) will be written in .ombu files in the current working directory. In fact, not only code changes are recorded but also other events like snapshots, test runs, Monticello loading and saving, etc. Browse You have two ways of browsing the recorded stuff: To browse the current log, do: EpLog current browse. To browse any .ombu file in your disk, you can simply drag&drop it into the image (from Finder in Mac). Best regards, MartÃn [1]: It's needed to: - implement export/import use case (an alternative to .cs files) - rethink some concepts - unit tests - write more comments - a lot more [2]: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Epicea/PHARO=30,VERSION=stable,V…

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] migrated flotr rom SqueakSource to Smalltalkhub/PharoExtras

by Usman Bhatti

Ok tx. I'll have a look. I'm using it for a fun project so most of the time I get to work on it during the weekends. On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 3:14 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > migrated flotr rom SqueakSource to Smalltalkhub/PharoExtras > > So let me know if it works. > > Stef >

Oct. 23, 2013

migrated flotr rom SqueakSource to Smalltalkhub/PharoExtras

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

migrated flotr rom SqueakSource to Smalltalkhub/PharoExtras So let me know if it works. Stef

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Sven, On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 23 Oct 2013, at 14:22, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yeah, i was also exploring, why even if i do not touch image i got like > 3-5% CPU load. > > What i found that it is in VM. Because i basicaly removed everything in > image, > > and just left idle process, and still had such loads. > > Igor, some time ago you told me which thread inside the VM was doing this, > but maybe you forgot ;-) > two different things. One is the idle process, in the image. This is heavy-weight. It calls relinquishProcessorForMicroseconds: which does all sorts of things, including system calls to poll for i/o. The other is the poll thread in the Cog and Stack VMs. This simply sleeps for a millisecond, wakes up and sets a variable, and then goes back to sleep. It is relatively lightweight. I suspect the 3-5% is due to the former, not the latter. One way to test would be to compare the interpreter VM against the Stack and Cog VMs and see how much time the interpreter VM takes. If the interpreter VM also takes a lot of time at idle, then the poll thread is not the culprit. > > On 23 October 2013 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This morning I upgraded my MacBook Air to Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks. The > good new is that my trusty VM [1] is still working OK ! > > > > However, something seems to have changed regarding full screen mode: it > more or less works but there are two black bands and the window title > remains visible, it is as if it did not expand enough: > > > > <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.40.56.png> > > > > Which is a pity: I rely on this a lot to get more screen space on my 13 > inch screen and to work distraction free. > > > > I guess weâll have to wait for our hero Esteban to have a look. > > > > Also new is the focus on energy management and efficiency. Sadly Pharo > is flagged as using to much (look at the menu under the battery icon top > right and the energy tab in the activity monitor): > > > > <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.49.53.png> > > > > This is probably related to the busy thread running/polling every ms or > so inside the VM. > > > > I could turn these into issues. > > > > Sven > > > > [1] > > > > Virtual Machine > > --------------- > > /Users/sven/Develop/Smalltalk/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo > > NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > > git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: > 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 > By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > > > > Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10 >1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB< > > VMMaker versionString git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: > 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 > By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > > NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > -- best, Eliot

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Benjamin

The thing is that google does not implement a regular âIMAPâ protocol :S But what is weird, is that it works with new google accounts, and not with old ones :S Ben On 23 Oct 2013, at 14:23, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > Am 23.10.2013 um 13:56 schrieb Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com>: > >> off-topic: >> Do you experience issue with Gmail IMAP accounts too ? >> Cause I can not properly delete messages :( >> > Because you cannot delete emails at all in gmail. You can remove tags and add tags but removing IMHO isn't possible. Google _does not_ forget! > > Norbert > >> Ben >> >> On 23 Oct 2013, at 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> This morning I upgraded my MacBook Air to Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks. The good new is that my trusty VM [1] is still working OK ! >>> >>> However, something seems to have changed regarding full screen mode: it more or less works but there are two black bands and the window title remains visible, it is as if it did not expand enough: >>> >>> <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.40.56.png> >>> >>> Which is a pity: I rely on this a lot to get more screen space on my 13 inch screen and to work distraction free. >>> >>> I guess weâll have to wait for our hero Esteban to have a look. >>> >>> Also new is the focus on energy management and efficiency. Sadly Pharo is flagged as using to much (look at the menu under the battery icon top right and the energy tab in the activity monitor): >>> >>> <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.49.53.png> >>> >>> This is probably related to the busy thread running/polling every ms or so inside the VM. >>> >>> I could turn these into issues. >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> [1] >>> >>> Virtual Machine >>> --------------- >>> /Users/sven/Develop/Smalltalk/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo >>> NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >>> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >>> git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 >>> >>> Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10 >1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB< >>> VMMaker versionString git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 >>> NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >>> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >>> >>> >> >

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 23 Oct 2013, at 14:22, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, i was also exploring, why even if i do not touch image i got like 3-5% CPU load. > What i found that it is in VM. Because i basicaly removed everything in image, > and just left idle process, and still had such loads. Igor, some time ago you told me which thread inside the VM was doing this, but maybe you forgot ;-) > On 23 October 2013 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > This morning I upgraded my MacBook Air to Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks. The good new is that my trusty VM [1] is still working OK ! > > However, something seems to have changed regarding full screen mode: it more or less works but there are two black bands and the window title remains visible, it is as if it did not expand enough: > > <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.40.56.png> > > Which is a pity: I rely on this a lot to get more screen space on my 13 inch screen and to work distraction free. > > I guess weâll have to wait for our hero Esteban to have a look. > > Also new is the focus on energy management and efficiency. Sadly Pharo is flagged as using to much (look at the menu under the battery icon top right and the energy tab in the activity monitor): > > <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.49.53.png> > > This is probably related to the busy thread running/polling every ms or so inside the VM. > > I could turn these into issues. > > Sven > > [1] > > Virtual Machine > --------------- > /Users/sven/Develop/Smalltalk/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo > NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > > Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10 >1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB< > VMMaker versionString git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] missing updates: 30503 30504

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 23, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > (i am not fully understood what happens there, but here some thought which might be useful). thanks this is simple. Merging a dirty package always ask the user if it wants to proceed. Now I catch the exception and proceed. Integrators at this stage should know what they are doing. Stef > > About that popup: > - if its a warning, then you can see it in interactive mode. > in headless mode all warnings are ignored and program just continues to run. > This is equivalent as if user pressed 'proceed' when he sees warning. > > If you don't want to proceed at such point, then you should throw an error instead of warning, > then in headless mode the process abort and quit, and as result, integration will fail. > > And of course, you can do even smarter things like: > > Smalltalk isInteractive ifTrue: [ self showWarning ] ifFalse: [ self throwError ]. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM for Athens Graphics

by J.F. Rick

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Mouse i much more precise than fingers. I doubt it going to be replaced. I > think it will stay. > "When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks because thatâs what you needed on the farms. But cars eventually became more prevalent as people moved to cities. PCs will be like trucksâ¦they are still going to be around, but there is a transformation coming, and it will make some people uneasy. Is it the iPad? Who knows? Will it be next year or five years from now?" -Steve Jobs Yes, mice will stick around but they won't be the dominant paradigm of computing. Already, tablet sales have eclipsed the sales of desktops / laptops. Fingers aren't inherently less precise. I, for instance, am very happy using an Apple trackpad rather than a mouse. Touch screens have a fat finger problem (i.e., you are often covering up what you are wanting to precisely touch), but precision in itself isn't the problem. Cheers, Jeff -- Jochen "Jeff" Rick, Ph.D. http://www.je77.com/ Skype ID: jochenrick

Oct. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks

by Norbert Hartl

Am 23.10.2013 um 13:56 schrieb Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com>: > off-topic: > Do you experience issue with Gmail IMAP accounts too ? > Cause I can not properly delete messages :( > Because you cannot delete emails at all in gmail. You can remove tags and add tags but removing IMHO isn't possible. Google _does not_ forget! Norbert > Ben > > On 23 Oct 2013, at 13:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This morning I upgraded my MacBook Air to Mac OS X 10.9 Mavericks. The good new is that my trusty VM [1] is still working OK ! >> >> However, something seems to have changed regarding full screen mode: it more or less works but there are two black bands and the window title remains visible, it is as if it did not expand enough: >> >> <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.40.56.png> >> >> Which is a pity: I rely on this a lot to get more screen space on my 13 inch screen and to work distraction free. >> >> I guess weâll have to wait for our hero Esteban to have a look. >> >> Also new is the focus on energy management and efficiency. Sadly Pharo is flagged as using to much (look at the menu under the battery icon top right and the energy tab in the activity monitor): >> >> <Screen Shot 2013-10-23 at 13.49.53.png> >> >> This is probably related to the busy thread running/polling every ms or so inside the VM. >> >> I could turn these into issues. >> >> Sven >> >> [1] >> >> Virtual Machine >> --------------- >> /Users/sven/Develop/Smalltalk/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo >> NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >> git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 >> >> Mac Cocoa Cog 5.8b12 21-Sep-10 >1B0534FA-246C-47C5-AB29-7A76C81CCDCB< >> VMMaker versionString git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 >> NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >> NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 >> >> >

Oct. 23, 2013