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Re: [Pharo-dev] Responsible development

by Yuriy Tymchuk

On 02 Dec 2013, at 16:24, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Uko2 wrote >> Shouldnât we develop our tools in a more friendly way? > > That would be fantastic. This thread is very interesting! > > And, I just want to remind everyone that Pharo 3.0 is unreleased... Do not > expect it to be stable, Itâs not about stability of pharo 3, it about concurrency. And itâs the same problem in 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 2.0. I can write ruby code while running tests, but I cannot do that in Pharo. This thread doesnât seem to have any reason, so I should just apologise for creating it because of frustration and ask everyone to stop discussing this :) > although it is remarkably so for the amount of deep > changes that have been made. Maybe that has lulled us into a false sense of > security/expectation. Remember, caveat emptor until it is released, when > there obviously shouldn't be any changes which might introduce this kind of > bug. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Responsible-development-tp4726686p4726749.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Responsible development

by Sean P. DeNigris

Uko2 wrote > Shouldnât we develop our tools in a more friendly way? That would be fantastic. This thread is very interesting! And, I just want to remind everyone that Pharo 3.0 is unreleased... Do not expect it to be stable, although it is remarkably so for the amount of deep changes that have been made. Maybe that has lulled us into a false sense of security/expectation. Remember, caveat emptor until it is released, when there obviously shouldn't be any changes which might introduce this kind of bug. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Responsible-development-tp4726686p4726749.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Responsible development

by Jan Vrany

On 02/12/13 14:32, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Yes, This is a nice idea, but I was telling about the other thing. Itâs really simple to start a new process in Pharo. Maybe we should introduce common practices in pharo? When I was following Obj-C course, one of the fundamental thing that was taught: do time consuming tasks in the other process. > > > forking processes is not a solution. because you can have shared resources problems and updates and â¦. Yes, you risk races which could be tricky to find/debug. I'm **very** interested what's the solution you propose here? Jan > >> So I want to write a chapter on the concurrent programming in Pharo, but is question is: am I missing something? Because this looks quite trivial. >> >> Uko >> > > >

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Solaris VM ?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Solaris is far from dead. http://www.perkin.org.uk/posts/goodbye-oracle-hello-joyent.html http://smartos.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyent I wouldn't call that living in the past if you ask me. Phil --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:42 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > > Yes it is possible, but they prefer to have all their systems on Solaris. > > > and live in the past (kind of 20 years back why not after all derrick and > gameboy was not that bad). Indeed this is a choice. > > Stef > > > Jannik > > > 2013/12/2 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > >> Jannik >> >> I do not understand. The people do not have a windows machine? >> Because I can understand thta you are solaris around but having a simple >> windows machine looks like a simple >> requirement. >> >> Stef >> >> On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:12 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> After a while, I have the information. This is a x86 (this is not for me). >> I will try to install a Solaris VM, and install a Pharo on top. >> >> Jannik >> >> >> 2013/11/27 Andreas Wacknitz <a.wacknitz(a)gmx.de> >> >>> Hi Jannik, >>> >>> some time ago I was able to compile the old Squeak VM on Solaris (SPARC >>> and x86). >>> I havenât tried it for a long time, especially not with Cog or StackVM. >>> Which version of Solaris are you using? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Andreas >>> >>> Am 25.11.2013 um 22:50 schrieb jannik.laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> > Hi guys, >>> > >>> > Does anyone know if Pharo can work on a Solaris System ? >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Jannik >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > > >

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Responsible development

by phil＠highoctane.be

As Clement explained to be, the Cmd + . combo is only tested on VM bytecode "backjumps". So, if the bytecode is stuck with no backjumps, it is definitely stuck. I'd like to see where this occurs in the VM (maybe in the hope I could have a slow, but interruptible VM at all times) - this could take the form of a setting that gets turned on. Phil On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>wrote: > 2013/12/2 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > > User interrupt (cmd + .) was not working? > > Most of the times for simple things it does, but sometimes it doesn't. > > Regards, > > Esteban A. Maringolo > >

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Solaris VM ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Yes it is possible, but they prefer to have all their systems on Solaris. and live in the past (kind of 20 years back why not after all derrick and gameboy was not that bad). Indeed this is a choice. Stef > > Jannik > > > 2013/12/2 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Jannik > > I do not understand. The people do not have a windows machine? > Because I can understand thta you are solaris around but having a simple windows machine looks like a simple > requirement. > > Stef > > On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:12 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> After a while, I have the information. This is a x86 (this is not for me). >> I will try to install a Solaris VM, and install a Pharo on top. >> >> Jannik >> >> >> 2013/11/27 Andreas Wacknitz <a.wacknitz(a)gmx.de> >> Hi Jannik, >> >> some time ago I was able to compile the old Squeak VM on Solaris (SPARC and x86). >> I havenât tried it for a long time, especially not with Cog or StackVM. >> Which version of Solaris are you using? >> >> Best regards, >> Andreas >> >> Am 25.11.2013 um 22:50 schrieb jannik.laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: >> >> > Hi guys, >> > >> > Does anyone know if Pharo can work on a Solaris System ? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Jannik >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> > > > > > -- > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Solaris VM ?

by jannik laval

Yes it is possible, but they prefer to have all their systems on Solaris. Jannik 2013/12/2 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Jannik > > I do not understand. The people do not have a windows machine? > Because I can understand thta you are solaris around but having a simple > windows machine looks like a simple > requirement. > > Stef > > On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:12 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > After a while, I have the information. This is a x86 (this is not for me). > I will try to install a Solaris VM, and install a Pharo on top. > > Jannik > > > 2013/11/27 Andreas Wacknitz <a.wacknitz(a)gmx.de> > >> Hi Jannik, >> >> some time ago I was able to compile the old Squeak VM on Solaris (SPARC >> and x86). >> I havenât tried it for a long time, especially not with Cog or StackVM. >> Which version of Solaris are you using? >> >> Best regards, >> Andreas >> >> Am 25.11.2013 um 22:50 schrieb jannik.laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: >> >> > Hi guys, >> > >> > Does anyone know if Pharo can work on a Solaris System ? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Jannik >> > >> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > > > -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://car.mines-douai.fr/

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Responsible development

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Yes, This is a nice idea, but I was telling about the other thing. Itâs really simple to start a new process in Pharo. Maybe we should introduce common practices in pharo? When I was following Obj-C course, one of the fundamental thing that was taught: do time consuming tasks in the other process. forking processes is not a solution. because you can have shared resources problems and updates and â¦. > So I want to write a chapter on the concurrent programming in Pharo, but is question is: am I missing something? Because this looks quite trivial. > > Uko >

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Responsible development

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/12/2 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > User interrupt (cmd + .) was not working? Most of the times for simple things it does, but sometimes it doesn't. Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo

Dec. 2, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Solaris VM ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Jannik I do not understand. The people do not have a windows machine? Because I can understand thta you are solaris around but having a simple windows machine looks like a simple requirement. Stef On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:12 PM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > After a while, I have the information. This is a x86 (this is not for me). > I will try to install a Solaris VM, and install a Pharo on top. > > Jannik > > > 2013/11/27 Andreas Wacknitz <a.wacknitz(a)gmx.de> > Hi Jannik, > > some time ago I was able to compile the old Squeak VM on Solaris (SPARC and x86). > I havenât tried it for a long time, especially not with Cog or StackVM. > Which version of Solaris are you using? > > Best regards, > Andreas > > Am 25.11.2013 um 22:50 schrieb jannik.laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: > > > Hi guys, > > > > Does anyone know if Pharo can work on a Solaris System ? > > > > Cheers, > > Jannik > > > > > > > > -- > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >

Dec. 2, 2013