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WhatsUp from: 2013-12-16 until: 2013-12-31

by seaside＠rmod.lille.inria.fr

Hi! We're sending this automatic email twice a month, to give the community an opportunity to easily know what's happening and to coordinate efforts. Just answer informally, and feel free to spawn discussions thereafter! ### Here's what I've been up to since the last WhatsUp: - $HEROIC_ACHIEVEMENTS_OR_DISMAL_FAILURES_OR_SIMPLE_BORING_NECESSARY_TASKS ### What's next, until 2013-12-31 (*): - $NEXT_STEPS_TOWARDS_WORLD_DOMINATION (*) we'll be expecting results by then ;)

Dec. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Similarity Matrix

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

El 15/12/2013 19:51, Alexandre Bergel escribiÃ³: > The SimilarityMatrix is meant to work with one set of elements, which is the same in column and horizontal. > > Instead of having one class, SimilarityMatrix, we should have a framework to easily build matrixes. In your case, you simply want a matrix with a smart way of coloring. > Exactly. Matrix could be interpreted in many ways and one can display it as heatmap, graphs, etc. > I am interesting in having such matrix. How do we proceed? Are you ready for a pair programming session these next days? > For sure, let's schedule a session from wednesday onwards. > I am now in Lille by the way, where are you? > I am in La Plata now. But we can use some kind of collaborative tool? Anyone tried https://asana.com/ ? HernÃ¡n

Dec. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] strange bug when opening the morph menu

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:51, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Let's do it like this: > - open the window with a long title > - now try to obtain a menu like in this picture (I used Ctrl+Shift+RightClick, or Ctrl+Shift+Click): > https://www.dropbox.com/s/fsfl8pt2065k6rg/Screenshot%202013-12-15%2021.50.5… Yes, I can replicate it too. > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Strange. > > Doru > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:55 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Ok tried several times to reproduce it on 30637 but I failed to see any difference between the two browsers. > > > On Dec 15, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> No, you should use a short click, not a long one. >> A short click normally let the menu appear left or right of the mouse. >> >> >> 2013/12/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> >> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: >> >>> If you press and hold the mousebutton the menu is visible. >>> If you just click the mousebutton the menu flashes for a short time >>> and the window is in "grab" mode. >> >> I tried to understand your actions but I could not. >> I clicked and press long on different part of the workspace but I could not see a problem >> >>> Actually the grab-menu item is selected, because the menu >>> is such wide, that it does not open beneath the mouse pointer, >>> and so the mouse pointer is always over some menu item. >>> (at leas with on windows) >>> >>> If you have a normal workspace title bar, the menu stays on even if >>> you just click the mousebutton. >>> >>> nicolai >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Try this: >>>> >>>> 1. Execute >>>> Workspace open >>>> 2. Try to get the menu of the window >>>> ==> it opens just fine >>>> >>>> 1. Execute >>>> Workspace open label: (1 to: 100) asOrderedCollection asString >>>> 2. Try to get the menu of the window >>>> ==> it does not open properly (it opens large and it closes quickly) and the mouse remains in dragging mode >>> >>> I do not get this problem. >>> When I want to edit the title it just takes the complete screen width. >>> >>>> >>>> I opened a bug report: >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12426/Morph-menu-has-strange-behavior-whe… >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any idea of why it happens? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Units package access

by Serge Stinckwich

I had a brief look at Aconcagua also. This is an elaborated measurement model but apparently there is no predefined units like the one you can find in the Unit package ? On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Marcus ! > > > EnvoyÃ© de mon iPhone > >> Le 15 dÃ©c. 2013 Ã 16:59, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> a Ã©crit : >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2013, at 16:51, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I want to commit some modifications to Units package: >>> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~MarcusDenker/Units >>> >>> Could someone provide me access to the repository ? >>> My ID: SergeStinckwich >> >> Done! >> >> Marcus >> >> -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Dec. 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] traversal-enabled objects with DeepTraverser

by Tudor Girba

Hi, I looked a bit at the existing hardcoded traversal methods in a Pharo/Moose image. To detect it, I used a traversal. Perhaps this can also be useful for people that want to teach what a traversal is, or what an analysis is, so I wrote a blog post about it: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/looking-for-hardcoded-traversal-metho… Cheers, Doru On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I put together a little implementation for traversals. It is inspired by >> an original implementation from Mariano. >> > > Wow... my memory is sooo bad I don't remember ;) > > > >> Using DeepTraverser, you can traverse arbitrary graphs by describing the >> traversal and by specifying the actions you want to perform on the nodes >> and relations. >> >> > Once (or even more times) we thought with Martin 2 things: > > 1) Reify the traversal in Fuel so that we could plug a different one. > 2) Use Fuel only for traversing and allowing user a hook to plug the what > to do with each node. > 3) Use the same traversal of 2) for deepCopying > 4) Use the same traversal of 2) to get an approximate memory consumption > of the transitive closure of an object > > But as always happened we run out of time. > > Anyway...I think this is a nice area to explore. There are many uses for a > nice traverser. > > Also, did you see we wrote a Rossal extension to print the fuel traversal? > > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel/Version1.9/Documentation/… > > > The code is available in the Moose image as part of the MooseAlgos >> subproject, but can also be loaded separately in a Pharo image via: >> >> Gofer new >> url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Moose/DeepTraverser/main'; >> package: âConfigurationOfDeepTraverserâ; >> load. >> (Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfDeepTraverser) loadDevelopment. >> >> >> Just to give you an idea, here are some representative examples: >> >> Number >> deep: #subclasses >> do: [:each | Transcript show: each; cr]. >> >> Number deepCollect: #subclasses. >> >> Number >> deep: #subclasses >> collect: #name. >> >> Number >> deep: #subclasses >> do: [:each | Transcript show: each; cr] >> relationDo: [ :from :to | Transcript show: from; show: ' <-- '; show: >> to; cr ]. >> >> >> >> More details about the usages and a little description of the >> implementation can be found here: >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/traversal-enabled-pharo-objects/ >> >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Similarity Matrix

by Alexandre Bergel

The SimilarityMatrix is meant to work with one set of elements, which is the same in column and horizontal. Instead of having one class, SimilarityMatrix, we should have a framework to easily build matrixes. In your case, you simply want a matrix with a smart way of coloring. I am interesting in having such matrix. How do we proceed? Are you ready for a pair programming session these next days? I am now in Lille by the way, where are you? Alexandre On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:29 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > El 15/12/2013 13:30, Alexandre Bergel escribiÃ³: >> Hi Hernan, >> >> In that case, I suggest you to define your own builder to build the >> matrix you need. >> I have given a try, but I cannot properly parse your data. The problem >> is about separating column (is it 4 or 5 white spaces?). Having a â,â >> would help. > > That should be a paste problem, matrix elements were delimited by tab. > > I was thinking more in terms of re-using the SimilarityMatrix by making it polymorphic with a Matrix, i.e.: > > | rawDataMatrix dataMatrix rowArray | > rawDataMatrix := '1,0.130,0.132,0.130 > ,1,0.195,0.487 > ,,1,0.195 > ,,,1'. > " Build an Array for joining all rows in raw data matrix " > rowArray := (NeoCSVReader on: rawDataMatrix readStream) upToEnd gather: [ : c | c ]. > " Then create a Matrix " > dataMatrix := Matrix new rows: 4 columns: 4 contents: rowArray. > " Instead of passing a comparison block, let's just take the values in the data matrix " > SimilarityMatrix new on: dataMatrix; viewMatrix > > >> >> I gave a try, as you can see with the script below. It produces the >> following: >> >> >> Each box gives its value when the mouse is above. >> >> -=-=-= -=-=-= -=-=-= -=-=-= -=-=-= >> | view f blockSize shape values el | >> values := ' a1 a2 a3 a4 a5 a6 a7 a8 a9 >> a10 a11 a12 a13 a14 a15 a16 a17 a18 a19 >> a20 a21 >> a1 1 0.130 0.132 0.130 0.158 0.189 0.130 0.022 >> 1.000 0.062 0.083 0.061 0.080 0.059 0.149 1.000 >> 0.098 0.161 0.109 1.000 >> a2 1 0.195 0.487 0.220 0.220 1.000 0.060 >> 0.130 0.118 0.234 0.234 0.224 0.200 0.622 0.130 >> 0.342 0.235 0.425 0.130 0.000 >> a3 1 0.195 0.464 0.464 0.195 0.073 0.132 >> 0.116 0.114 0.256 0.109 0.085 0.133 0.132 0.105 >> 0.320 0.171 0.132 0.000 >> a4 1 0.220 0.190 0.487 0.060 0.130 >> 0.118 0.160 0.234 0.154 0.132 0.395 0.130 0.342 >> 0.235 0.425 0.130 0.000 >> a5 1 0.500 0.220 0.071 0.158 0.195 >> 0.220 0.389 0.209 0.182 0.156 0.158 0.162 0.417 >> 0.225 0.158 0.000 >> a6 1 0.220 0.071 0.189 0.114 >> 0.136 0.282 0.130 0.106 0.156 0.189 0.132 0.360 >> 0.167 0.189 0.000 >> a7 1 0.060 0.130 0.118 >> 0.234 0.234 0.224 0.200 0.622 0.130 0.342 0.235 >> 0.425 0.130 0.000 >> a8 1 0.022 0.156 0.104 >> 0.082 0.100 0.100 0.019 0.022 0.095 0.088 0.061 >> 0.022 0.028 >> a9 1 0.062 0.083 >> 0.061 0.080 0.059 0.149 1.000 0.098 0.161 0.109 >> 1.000 0.000 >> a10 1 0.541 0.140 >> 0.372 0.283 0.073 0.062 0.111 0.139 0.143 0.062 >> 0.025 >> a11 1 0.160 >> 0.714 0.579 0.176 0.083 0.133 0.200 0.163 0.083 >> 0.024 >> a12 1 0.154 >> 0.132 0.176 0.061 0.308 0.235 0.239 0.061 0.000 >> a13 1 >> 0.676 0.170 0.080 0.128 0.189 0.157 0.080 0.023 >> a14 >> 1 0.148 0.059 0.128 0.158 0.135 0.059 0.023 >> a15 >> 1 0.149 0.262 0.158 0.341 0.149 0.000 >> a16 >> 1 0.098 0.161 0.109 1.000 0.000 >> a17 >> 1 0.207 0.316 0.098 0.000 >> a18 >> 1 0.206 0.161 0.000 >> a19 >> 1 0.109 0.000 >> a20 >> 1 0.000 >> a21 >> 1 >> ' lines collect: [ : line | line trimBoth findTokens: ' ' ]. >> >> >> blockSize := 10. >> view := ROView new. >> values do: [ :lineOfValues | >> lineOfValues do: [ :v | >> shape := ROBox new size: blockSize; color: Color white. >> f := [Float readFrom: v readStream] ifError: [ -1 ]. >> f >= 0 >> ifTrue: [ shape color: (Color gray: f) ]. >> el := shape elementOn: f. >> el @ ROPopup. >> view add: el >> ]. >> >> "We fill the remaining of the line with white boxes. >> We need to have the same amount of boxes for all the lines" >> (values first size - lineOfValues size) >> timesRepeat: [ view add: (ROBox new color: Color white) element ]. >> >> ]. >> ROGridLayout new gapSize: 0; lineItemsCount: (values first size); on: >> view elements. >> view open. >> -=-=-= -=-=-= -=-=-= -=-=-= -=-=-= >> >> > > Thanks for the script. > HernÃ¡n > > > >> >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 15, 2013, at 12:56 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com <mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Alexandre, >>> >>> Just to provide you some feedback. My similarity matrices sometimes >>> are calculated by other tools. However I want to display them using >>> Roassal. For example this is a similarity matrix of 21 lines and 21 >>> columns: >>> >>> ' a1 a2 a3 a4 a5 a6 a7 a8 a9 a10 a11 >>> a12 a13 a14 a15 a16 a17 a18 a19 a20 a21 >>> a1 1 0.130 0.132 0.130 0.158 0.189 0.130 0.022 >>> 1.000 0.062 0.083 0.061 0.080 0.059 0.149 >>> 1.000 0.098 0.161 0.109 1.000 0.000 >>> a2 1 0.195 0.487 0.220 0.220 1.000 0.060 >>> 0.130 0.118 0.234 0.234 0.224 0.200 0.622 0.130 >>> 0.342 0.235 0.425 0.130 0.000 >>> a3 1 0.195 0.464 0.464 0.195 0.073 >>> 0.132 0.116 0.114 0.256 0.109 0.085 0.133 0.132 >>> 0.105 0.320 0.171 0.132 0.000 >>> a4 1 0.220 0.190 0.487 0.060 0.130 >>> 0.118 0.160 0.234 0.154 0.132 0.395 0.130 0.342 >>> 0.235 0.425 0.130 0.000 >>> a5 1 0.500 0.220 0.071 0.158 >>> 0.195 0.220 0.389 0.209 0.182 0.156 0.158 0.162 >>> 0.417 0.225 0.158 0.000 >>> a6 1 0.220 0.071 0.189 0.114 >>> 0.136 0.282 0.130 0.106 0.156 0.189 0.132 0.360 >>> 0.167 0.189 0.000 >>> a7 1 0.060 0.130 0.118 >>> 0.234 0.234 0.224 0.200 0.622 0.130 0.342 0.235 >>> 0.425 0.130 0.000 >>> a8 1 0.022 0.156 0.104 >>> 0.082 0.100 0.100 0.019 0.022 0.095 0.088 >>> 0.061 0.022 0.028 >>> a9 1 0.062 0.083 >>> 0.061 0.080 0.059 0.149 1.000 0.098 0.161 0.109 >>> 1.000 0.000 >>> a10 1 0.541 >>> 0.140 0.372 0.283 0.073 0.062 0.111 0.139 0.143 >>> 0.062 0.025 >>> a11 1 0.160 >>> 0.714 0.579 0.176 0.083 0.133 0.200 0.163 0.083 >>> 0.024 >>> a12 1 >>> 0.154 0.132 0.176 0.061 0.308 0.235 0.239 0.061 >>> 0.000 >>> a13 1 >>> 0.676 0.170 0.080 0.128 0.189 0.157 0.080 0.023 >>> a14 >>> 1 0.148 0.059 0.128 0.158 0.135 0.059 0.023 >>> a15 >>> 1 0.149 0.262 0.158 0.341 0.149 0.000 >>> a16 >>> 1 0.098 0.161 0.109 1.000 0.000 >>> a17 >>> 1 0.207 0.316 0.098 0.000 >>> a18 >>> 1 0.206 0.161 0.000 >>> a19 >>> 1 0.109 0.000 >>> a20 >>> 1 0.000 >>> a21 >>> 1 >>> ' lines collect: [ : line | line trimBoth findTokens: Character tab ] >>> >>> May be your Comparison class could be tailored to set manually rhs, >>> lhs and similarity? What do you recommend for raw matrices? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> HernÃ¡n >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/29 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com >>> <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I know some of you are working on DSM-kind of matrix. Oscar has been >>> working on a similarity matrix for Roassal. I just want to share a >>> self-explanble screenshot with you guys. >>> >>> >>> On this example, the methods of the subclasses of Set are compared >>> between themselves. >>> Black dot is a couple (m1, m2) that are very similar >>> <Screen Shot 2013-11-29 at 6.12.39 PM.png> >>> >>> More >>> on https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.550677725018829.1073741833.340543… >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Athens: testing whether a point is within a path?

by Chris Muller

This helped me with a related problem once. http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/Homepages/wrf/Research/Short_Notes/pnpoly.html On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > Hi! > > I have seen that AthensPolygonTester may do the job somehow. > How can I test whether a point is included in a path? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > >

Dec. 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Sprint friday :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

super! On Dec 15, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Erwan Douaille <douailleerwan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I will come the whole day, i will bring some "croissants" :) > > > 2013/12/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Hi Pharoers > > we will have an official sprint friday and we have the following visitors > - andrei chis, jan kurs from Berne > - alain plantec from Brest > - serge stinckwich from Caen > - yuriy timchuk, roberto minelli and tommaso dal sasso from Lugano > - Pharoers from Douai > > So if you plan to attend you are welcomed. Just drop a mail. > > Stef > > > > > -- > Best regards, > > Douaille Erwan <douaille.erwan(a)gmail.com>

Dec. 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Similarity Matrix

by Chris Muller

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 2:29 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > El 15/12/2013 13:30, Alexandre Bergel escribiÃ³: > > Hi Hernan, >> >> In that case, I suggest you to define your own builder to build the >> matrix you need. >> I have given a try, but I cannot properly parse your data. The problem >> is about separating column (is it 4 or 5 white spaces?). Having a â,â >> would help. >> > > That should be a paste problem, matrix elements were delimited by tab. > Mail-server formatting. Should use binary attachment to send data or code to be filed-in.

Dec. 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] strange bug when opening the morph menu

by Tudor Girba

Let's do it like this: - open the window with a long title - now try to obtain a menu like in this picture (I used Ctrl+Shift+RightClick, or Ctrl+Shift+Click): https://www.dropbox.com/s/fsfl8pt2065k6rg/Screenshot%202013-12-15%2021.50.5… Cheers, Doru On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Strange. > > Doru > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 5:55 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Ok tried several times to reproduce it on 30637 but I failed to see any >> difference between the two browsers. >> >> >> On Dec 15, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Nicolas Cellier < >> nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> No, you should use a short click, not a long one. >> A short click normally let the menu appear left or right of the mouse. >> >> >> 2013/12/15 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: >>> >>> If you press and hold the mousebutton the menu is visible. >>> If you just click the mousebutton the menu flashes for a short time >>> and the window is in "grab" mode. >>> >>> >>> I tried to understand your actions but I could not. >>> I clicked and press long on different part of the workspace but I could >>> not see a problem >>> >>> Actually the grab-menu item is selected, because the menu >>> is such wide, that it does not open beneath the mouse pointer, >>> and so the mouse pointer is always over some menu item. >>> (at leas with on windows) >>> >>> If you have a normal workspace title bar, the menu stays on even if >>> you just click the mousebutton. >>> >>> nicolai >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Try this: >>>> >>>> 1. Execute >>>> Workspace open >>>> 2. Try to get the menu of the window >>>> ==> it opens just fine >>>> >>>> 1. Execute >>>> Workspace open label: (1 to: 100) asOrderedCollection asString >>>> 2. Try to get the menu of the window >>>> ==> it does not open properly (it opens large and it closes quickly) >>>> and the mouse remains in dragging mode >>>> >>>> >>>> I do not get this problem. >>>> When I want to edit the title it just takes the complete screen width. >>>> >>>> >>>> I opened a bug report: >>>> >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12426/Morph-menu-has-strange-behavior-whe… >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any idea of why it happens? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 15, 2013