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Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by kilon alios

Guilty as Charged ! Yeap no love for mailing lists and even emails in total from me either. And yes I am a big fan of top posting or whatever its called. I prefer reading the reply first , see the quote later on. Having to scroll down a quote to see a reply is killing my inner child. But I have no problem complying on this. Whatever it takes to make people happy and smiley :) The irony here is that mailing lists have been around for decades and still email web clients have not adjusted to fit the needs of having a civil reasonable conversation with people. People trying to claim that web is the future of computing (or the present) , lets say I am not impressed at all. Another proof that being popular does not make you useful. How come web is such a big pile of mess ? Frankly we should be very happy that we are a small community. Imagine this problem scaled up to a language of 1-2 million users. Scary stuff ! On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>wrote: > 2013/12/17 Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com>: > > On 17 December 2013 11:10, GÃ¶ran Krampe <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: > > If you use Gmail, doing the right thing is now _hard_. (It's a > > click-the-ellipsis, then a find-the-place-to-edit, then hit return to > > make a space for your words, then type, followed by scrolling back up > > to that place because Gmail then jumps the edit position to the bottom > > of the mail, followed by your actual reply.) This battle was lost a > > decade ago, I'm afraid. > > I keep this "This battle was lost a decade ago, I'm afraid." > > Sadly, it is true. > But at least we won the html vs plaintext one (or at least no one else > cares). > > The mailing list format is not good for debate... using mails, in my > opinion. Forums or other similar tools are better suited. > > Esteban A. Maringolo > >

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Relation tower is coming for Roassal

by Tudor Girba

Great addition! Where can we get it from? Doru On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > Hi! > > A new builder for Roassal is comingâ¦ The goal of Relation tower is to > easily visualize relations between group of elements. We had the > inspiration from the following website http://peoplemov.in/#! > > Here are some screenshots: > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.559114290841839.1073741837.340543… > > If you like these screenshots, then you know where the like button is :-) > > We will have this visualization on the web, thanks to our smooth and nice > Pharo2Amber migration process. > > Any idea on how to extend/apply Relation tower? Any set of data you want > us to play with? Your data? > Feedback are very welcome! > > Cheers, > Ricardo & Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Phratch 1.0beta

by jannik laval

Hi Phil, In fact, there is a hidden menu: click on a menu maintaining shift button. You will see new items in file menu and edit menu. In the edit menu you can turn fill screen on. Cheers, Jannik 2013/12/17 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > I started fine on Windows 8 64-bit. > > Now, why is the PhratchFrameMorph not something that I can easily resize > to full screen? (I have to pick it up with halos and resize with the yellow > icon, and picking it up requires the shift-click on the desktop > background). There is the top right icon (projector screen) but this is not > the same as this will only show the scene full screen (which is cool). > Clicking on the bottom right corner gives me a little white hand but it is > not resizing anything. > > In PhratchFrameMorph>>startup, I do see: > > startupFileNames do: [:n | > (n asLowercase = 'presentation') ifTrue: [ > quitFlag := true. > presentationMode := true. > self isHidden: true. > Display fillBlack]. > (n asLowercase = 'fullscreen') ifTrue: [PhratchFrameMorph takeOverScreen: > true]]. > " > TakeOverScreen ifTrue: [ > Display fullScreenMode: true. > World restoreDisplay]. > " > PhratchFrameMorph takeOverScreen: false. > > So, how does that work? > > Phil > > > > > > > --- > Philippe Back > Dramatic Performance Improvements > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 > Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu > Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium > > Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ > Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - > http://spamcast.libsyn.com > Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value > Added Reseller > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> You are partly right: I am developing on MacOS. >> But I hope to have a windows version that works. >> >> I will use it for teaching on March 2014. The students are on Windows. So >> if you have feedback, I will accept it with pleasure. >> I am trying to load it on a Windows 7, let's see. >> >> Cheers, >> Jannik >> >> >> 2013/12/17 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> >> >>> Jannik, >>> >>> >>> I tried out (the previous version) on Windows and there were several >>> glitches. I suppose that the main platform is OSX? >>> >>> Impressive stuff! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Excellent work Jannik! >>>> >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM, jannik.laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I continue to develop Phratch, the port of Scratch in Pharo. >>>>> Phratch is a visual programming language on top of Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> There are lots of new features: >>>>> >>>>> - Settings >>>>> - FileSystems >>>>> - Metacello >>>>> - integration of BYOB (allows to build your own blocks) >>>>> - integration of Color and Files >>>>> - a lot of new useful blocks >>>>> - projects saved with Fuel >>>>> - possibility to implement new features without modifying the core of >>>>> the system >>>>> - possibility to customize the environment: add new categories, add >>>>> new kinds of Sprite, add new blocks. >>>>> >>>>> Phratch is available for Pharo2.0 with the following configuration: >>>>> â >>>>> Gofer it >>>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/JLaval/Phratch/main' >>>>> username: '' >>>>> password: ''; >>>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfPhratch'; >>>>> load. >>>>> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPhratch) project version: '1.0') load. >>>>> (Smalltalk at: #PhratchFrameMorph) open perform: >>>>> #saveImageForEndUserSilently. >>>>> â >>>>> >>>>> I hope to write documentations about all of the new features asap. >>>>> You can follow Phratch here: >>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/category/phratch/ >>>>> and here : >>>>> https://code.google.com/p/phratch/ >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jannik >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> > > -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://car.mines-douai.fr/

Dec. 17, 2013

Another very simple issue: 11387 Ancient files

by Marcus Denker

This issue was opened in August. It looks to be *really* quick and easy to either fix or reject as invalid: any takers? It looks like some files are very old and not used anymore. I can compile on linux without these filesa: platforms/unix/config/config.sub platforms/unix/config/config.guess processors/IA32/bochs/config.guess processors/IA32/bochs/config.sub platforms/unix/config/ltconfig platforms/unix/config/ltmain.sh processors/IA32/bochs/ltmain.sh Please consider removing them.

Dec. 17, 2013

Relation tower is coming for Roassal

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! A new builder for Roassal is comingâ¦ The goal of Relation tower is to easily visualize relations between group of elements. We had the inspiration from the following website http://peoplemov.in/#! Here are some screenshots: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.559114290841839.1073741837.340543… If you like these screenshots, then you know where the like button is :-) We will have this visualization on the web, thanks to our smooth and nice Pharo2Amber migration process. Any idea on how to extend/apply Relation tower? Any set of data you want us to play with? Your data? Feedback are very welcome! Cheers, Ricardo & Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Showstopper to upgrade to 3.0

by Marcus Denker

On 17 Dec 2013, at 12:12, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > me want FFI :D > > I'd very much like to test any candidate version about this > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12438/Old-FFI-Check-that-it-is-parsed-cor… The first step is that we need a description of how to load FFI that riggers the problem. Marcus

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/12/17 Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com>: > On 17 December 2013 11:10, GÃ¶ran Krampe <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: > If you use Gmail, doing the right thing is now _hard_. (It's a > click-the-ellipsis, then a find-the-place-to-edit, then hit return to > make a space for your words, then type, followed by scrolling back up > to that place because Gmail then jumps the edit position to the bottom > of the mail, followed by your actual reply.) This battle was lost a > decade ago, I'm afraid. I keep this "This battle was lost a decade ago, I'm afraid." Sadly, it is true. But at least we won the html vs plaintext one (or at least no one else cares). The mailing list format is not good for debate... using mails, in my opinion. Forums or other similar tools are better suited. Esteban A. Maringolo

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by phil＠highoctane.be

Yeah Gmail On Tuesday, December 17, 2013, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > On 12/17/2013 12:49 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: > >> On 17 December 2013 11:10, GÃ¶ran Krampe <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> As Stephan Eggermont noted there was some "top posting" going on and if >>> you >>> don't know what that refers to you might be "a part of the problem" :) >>> and >>> should read this funny page describing the phenomena: >>> >>> http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html >>> >>> ...or in more detail: >>> >>> http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html >>> >> >> If you use Gmail, doing the right thing is now _hard_. (It's a >> click-the-ellipsis, then a find-the-place-to-edit, then hit return to >> make a space for your words, then type, followed by scrolling back up >> to that place because Gmail then jumps the edit position to the bottom >> of the mail, followed by your actual reply.) This battle was lost a >> decade ago, I'm afraid. >> > > Ah. I hadn't thought that many devs actually use the web UI for gmail, but > perhaps they are :) > > And oh, I was not annoyed personally just found that page kinda funny :) > > regards, GÃ¶ran > > -- --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

On 12/17/2013 12:49 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 17 December 2013 11:10, GÃ¶ran Krampe <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> As Stephan Eggermont noted there was some "top posting" going on and if you >> don't know what that refers to you might be "a part of the problem" :) and >> should read this funny page describing the phenomena: >> >> http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html >> >> ...or in more detail: >> >> http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html > > If you use Gmail, doing the right thing is now _hard_. (It's a > click-the-ellipsis, then a find-the-place-to-edit, then hit return to > make a space for your words, then type, followed by scrolling back up > to that place because Gmail then jumps the edit position to the bottom > of the mail, followed by your actual reply.) This battle was lost a > decade ago, I'm afraid. Ah. I hadn't thought that many devs actually use the web UI for gmail, but perhaps they are :) And oh, I was not annoyed personally just found that page kinda funny :) regards, GÃ¶ran

Dec. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Please stop top posting... (was Re: Tell me about your workflow)

by Frank Shearar

On 17 December 2013 11:10, GÃ¶ran Krampe <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: > Hi! > > As Stephan Eggermont noted there was some "top posting" going on and if you > don't know what that refers to you might be "a part of the problem" :) and > should read this funny page describing the phenomena: > > http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html > > ...or in more detail: > > http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html If you use Gmail, doing the right thing is now _hard_. (It's a click-the-ellipsis, then a find-the-place-to-edit, then hit return to make a space for your words, then type, followed by scrolling back up to that place because Gmail then jumps the edit position to the bottom of the mail, followed by your actual reply.) This battle was lost a decade ago, I'm afraid. frank

Dec. 17, 2013