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Re: [Pharo-dev] for those not in the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors mailing-list nor in esug

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Dne 08. 02. 2014 11:40, piÅ¡e Pharo4Stef: > Janko > > in fact I'thinking about it may be this is the time to propose a Pharo > specific GSOC program. > If they are enough people willing to do that we have an association with > a real legal status ready for that. > > :) thanks for giving us the idea. You can do that of course but then all will loose. Pharo will be regarded as a new organization and will get just few stipendiums while Smalltalk GSoC as continuation of Smalltalk-wide org won't have a lot of good projects with mentor pool and will also get much less stipendiums. And now question back to you, will you take a responsibility for such outcome? Janko P.S: Legal entity matters nothing, please read FAQ carefully: "What is a mentoring organization? A group running an active free/open source software project, e.g. the Python Software Foundation. The project does not need to be a legally incorporated entity." http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc20… Legal entity is needed only for receiving the money and for this any entity can be used. If not others a Software Freedom Conservancy can be asked. > On 08 Feb 2014, at 11:34, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote: > >> .. and of course my answer: >> >> Dear Smalltalkers, >> >> Stef is overreacting as always, going off-topic and don't want to see >> the real reasons behind this proposal. Which is to make GSoC attractive >> to all Smalltalkers by removing the last doubt about the any bias >> towards any Smalltalk or group. That's why I propose to go more >> independent under new name 'Smalltalk', besides a clearly better >> visibility of such name of course. >> >> I invite you to follow the debate on GSoC mentor list: >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors >> >> All mentors with voting rights on past GSoCs please join back to this >> mailing list and help with debate: >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/join >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> >> Dne 08. 02. 2014 10:53, piÅ¡e Pharo4Stef: >>> Iâm sorry to have to forward you this kind of mail but I do it. >>> I will not send other emails on the topics. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> Dear community >>> >>> On the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> janko is kind of >>> declaring that ESUG was not doing a good job managing >>> GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact. >>> Personally if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does >>> not have anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and >>> stress. Note in addition that we never interferred with the choice or >>> anything. >>> >>> I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend >>> time, money and be treated like that. >>> Sorry! We are sad but this is like that. >>> >>> Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the >>> fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo. >>> Where are the research teams and teachers? Of course: the mails of >>> janko are just so nice. I let you judge. >>> >>> It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not >>> to organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG. >>> >>>> About motivations for my proposal: >>>> >>>> 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' . >>>> And this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations >>>> to choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs >>>> <http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013>. >>>> >>>> 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let >>>> we avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more >>>> independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that. >>> >>> >>> I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you >>> as easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that >>> some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source >>> smalltalk. May be the losers theory. >>> >>> I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much >>> calmer than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that >>> is a nice proof in itself. >>> >>> Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua, >>> Javascript, ruby and python, clojure that we should fight. >>> >>> Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> *From: *Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com >>>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@gmail.com>> >>>> *Subject: **[gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name* >>>> *Date: *8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1 >>>> *To: *smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Reply-To: *smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>>> >>>> Dear mentors, >>>> >>>> I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name. >>>> Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs, >>>> as the name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization >>>> therefore doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity. >>>> >>>> Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to >>>> deadline, decision needs to be done soon. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Janko >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Janko MivÅ¡ek >>>> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google. >>> ESUG is an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax >>> forms and so on. >>> >>> Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive >>> money for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall? >>> >>> One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that >>> it was the same organisation that is already in the books of google. >>> >>> And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost >>> money (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots >>> than got in with the money from google). >>> We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit: >>> Google only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going >>> from the airpot >>> to the hotel). >>> >>> >>> What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We >>> had last year the fast that >>> a) it was very expensive for ESUG >>> b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay >>> the same as google >>> c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put >>> âGoogle Summer of Codeâ on the CV. >>> >>> The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So >>> we ask if it is really worth to spend the money >>> if even the students are not happy about it. >>> >>> And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be >>> easier to enable âQuotasâ for different Smalltalks: I think this is a >>> dumb idea. >>> >>> Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They >>> just need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit >>> my activity for âFairnessâ. Limiting the activity level of those who do >>> to be more âin lineâ with what those do who do nothing is just >>> *insane*. Itâs a description of death itself. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >> >> -- >> Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Svetovalec za informatiko >> Eranova d.o.o. >> Ljubljana, Slovenija >> www.eranova.si <http://www.eranova.si/> >> tel: 01 514 22 55 >> faks: 01 514 22 56 >> gsm: 031 674 565 > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565

Feb. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] for those not in the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors mailing-list nor in esug

by Pharo4Stef

Janko in fact I'thinking about it may be this is the time to propose a Pharo specific GSOC program. If they are enough people willing to do that we have an association with a real legal status ready for that. :) thanks for giving us the idea. Stef On 08 Feb 2014, at 11:34, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > .. and of course my answer: > > Dear Smalltalkers, > > Stef is overreacting as always, going off-topic and don't want to see > the real reasons behind this proposal. Which is to make GSoC attractive > to all Smalltalkers by removing the last doubt about the any bias > towards any Smalltalk or group. That's why I propose to go more > independent under new name 'Smalltalk', besides a clearly better > visibility of such name of course. > > I invite you to follow the debate on GSoC mentor list: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors > > All mentors with voting rights on past GSoCs please join back to this > mailing list and help with debate: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/join > > Best regards > Janko > > > Dne 08. 02. 2014 10:53, piÅ¡e Pharo4Stef: >> Iâm sorry to have to forward you this kind of mail but I do it. >> I will not send other emails on the topics. >> >> Stef >> >> >> Dear community >> >> On the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> janko is kind of >> declaring that ESUG was not doing a good job managing >> GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact. >> Personally if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does >> not have anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and >> stress. Note in addition that we never interferred with the choice or >> anything. >> >> I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend >> time, money and be treated like that. >> Sorry! We are sad but this is like that. >> >> Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the >> fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo. >> Where are the research teams and teachers? Of course: the mails of >> janko are just so nice. I let you judge. >> >> It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not >> to organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG. >> >>> About motivations for my proposal: >>> >>> 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' . >>> And this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations >>> to choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs >>> <http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013>. >>> >>> 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let >>> we avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more >>> independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that. >> >> >> I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you >> as easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that >> some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source >> smalltalk. May be the losers theory. >> >> I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much >> calmer than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that >> is a nice proof in itself. >> >> Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua, >> Javascript, ruby and python, clojure that we should fight. >> >> Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> *From: *Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@gmail.com>> >>> *Subject: **[gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name* >>> *Date: *8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1 >>> *To: *smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>> *Reply-To: *smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>> >>> Dear mentors, >>> >>> I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name. >>> Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs, >>> as the name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization >>> therefore doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity. >>> >>> Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to >>> deadline, decision needs to be done soon. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Janko >>> >>> --- >>> Janko MivÅ¡ek >>> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google. >> ESUG is an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax >> forms and so on. >> >> Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive >> money for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall? >> >> One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that >> it was the same organisation that is already in the books of google. >> >> And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost >> money (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots >> than got in with the money from google). >> We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit: >> Google only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going >> from the airpot >> to the hotel). >> >> >> What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We >> had last year the fast that >> a) it was very expensive for ESUG >> b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay >> the same as google >> c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put >> âGoogle Summer of Codeâ on the CV. >> >> The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So >> we ask if it is really worth to spend the money >> if even the students are not happy about it. >> >> And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be >> easier to enable âQuotasâ for different Smalltalks: I think this is a >> dumb idea. >> >> Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They >> just need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit >> my activity for âFairnessâ. Limiting the activity level of those who do >> to be more âin lineâ with what those do who do nothing is just >> *insane*. Itâs a description of death itself. >> >> Marcus >> > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Svetovalec za informatiko > Eranova d.o.o. > Ljubljana, Slovenija > www.eranova.si > tel: 01 514 22 55 > faks: 01 514 22 56 > gsm: 031 674 565

Feb. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] for those not in the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors mailing-list nor in esug

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

.. and of course my answer: Dear Smalltalkers, Stef is overreacting as always, going off-topic and don't want to see the real reasons behind this proposal. Which is to make GSoC attractive to all Smalltalkers by removing the last doubt about the any bias towards any Smalltalk or group. That's why I propose to go more independent under new name 'Smalltalk', besides a clearly better visibility of such name of course. I invite you to follow the debate on GSoC mentor list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors All mentors with voting rights on past GSoCs please join back to this mailing list and help with debate: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/join Best regards Janko Dne 08. 02. 2014 10:53, piÅ¡e Pharo4Stef: > Iâm sorry to have to forward you this kind of mail but I do it. > I will not send other emails on the topics. > > Stef > > > Dear community > > On the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com > <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> janko is kind of > declaring that ESUG was not doing a good job managing > GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact. > Personally if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does > not have anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and > stress. Note in addition that we never interferred with the choice or > anything. > > I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend > time, money and be treated like that. > Sorry! We are sad but this is like that. > > Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the > fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo. > Where are the research teams and teachers? Of course: the mails of > janko are just so nice. I let you judge. > > It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not > to organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG. > >> About motivations for my proposal: >> >> 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' . >> And this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations >> to choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs >> <http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013>. >> >> 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let >> we avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more >> independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that. > > > I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you > as easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that > some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source > smalltalk. May be the losers theory. > > I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much > calmer than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that > is a nice proof in itself. > > Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua, > Javascript, ruby and python, clojure that we should fight. > > Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative. > > Stef > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From: *Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:janko.mivsek@gmail.com>> >> *Subject: **[gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name* >> *Date: *8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1 >> *To: *smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >> *Reply-To: *smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >> >> Dear mentors, >> >> I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name. >> Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs, >> as the name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization >> therefore doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity. >> >> Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to >> deadline, decision needs to be done soon. >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> --- >> Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com >> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google. > ESUG is an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax > forms and so on. > > Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive > money for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall? > > One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that > it was the same organisation that is already in the books of google. > > And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost > money (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots > than got in with the money from google). > We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit: > Google only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going > from the airpot > to the hotel). > > > What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We > had last year the fast that > a) it was very expensive for ESUG > b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay > the same as google > c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put > âGoogle Summer of Codeâ on the CV. > > The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So > we ask if it is really worth to spend the money > if even the students are not happy about it. > > And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be > easier to enable âQuotasâ for different Smalltalks: I think this is a > dumb idea. > > Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They > just need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit > my activity for âFairnessâ. Limiting the activity level of those who do > to be more âin lineâ with what those do who do nothing is just > *insane*. Itâs a description of death itself. > > Marcus > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565

Feb. 8, 2014

for those not in the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors mailing-list nor in esug

by Pharo4Stef

Iâm sorry to have to forward you this kind of mail but I do it. I will not send other emails on the topics. Stef Dear community On the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com janko is kind of declaring that ESUG was not doing a good job managing GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact. Personally if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does not have anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and stress. Note in addition that we never interferred with the choice or anything. I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend time, money and be treated like that. Sorry! We are sad but this is like that. Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo. Where are the research teams and teachers? Of course: the mails of janko are just so nice. I let you judge. It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not to organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG. > About motivations for my proposal: > > 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' . And this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations to choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs. > > 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let we avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that. I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you as easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source smalltalk. May be the losers theory. I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much calmer than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that is a nice proof in itself. Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua, Javascript, ruby and python, clojure that we should fight. Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative. Stef Begin forwarded message: > From: Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name > Date: 8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1 > To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com > Reply-To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com > > Dear mentors, > > I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name. Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs, as the name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization therefore doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity. > > Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to deadline, decision needs to be done soon. > > Best regards > Janko > > --- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google. ESUG is an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax forms and so on. Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive money for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall? One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that it was the same organisation that is already in the books of google. And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost money (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots than got in with the money from google). We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit: Google only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going from the airpot to the hotel). What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We had last year the fast that a) it was very expensive for ESUG b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay the same as google c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put âGoogle Summer of Codeâ on the CV. The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So we ask if it is really worth to spend the money if even the students are not happy about it. And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be easier to enable âQuotasâ for different Smalltalks: I think this is a dumb idea. Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They just need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit my activity for âFairnessâ. Limiting the activity level of those who do to be more âin lineâ with what those do who do nothing is just *insane*. Itâs a description of death itself. Marcus

Feb. 8, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/30751 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Feb. 8, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core] c3114e: 30751

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Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: c3114e83fe5c91213831f41e9940cc86328a22f3 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/c3114e83fe5c91213831f41e… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-02-08 (Sat, 08 Feb 2014) Changed paths: M CodeImport.package/DoItDeclaration.class/instance/importing/importFor_.st A Morphic-Base.package/extension/Form/instance/asAlphaImageMorph.st A Morphic-Base.package/extension/Object/instance/asAlphaImageMorph.st M Polymorph-Widgets.package/IconicListItem.class/class/instance creation/text_icon_.st M RPackage-SystemIntegration.package/extension/RPackageOrganizer/instance/systemMethodRecategorizedActionFrom_.st A RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageTest.class/instance/tests/testAnonymousClassAndSelector.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script404.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update30751.st M ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 30751 12833 IconicListItem does not give visual feedback about the enablement status https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12833 12628 KeyNotFound in RPackage>>methods in the presence of anonymous classes https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12628 12739 Class definition NOT available in the "Recover Lost Changes" tool https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12739 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30751.zip

Feb. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nice chapter on NativeBoost

by kilon alios

Thank you Stef for this chapter very much it really opened my eyes to a new potential. X11 is no longer included in MacOS -> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5293 Thats the bad news The good news is that libraries like GTK which was the big reason to use X11 on macos like GIMP now use the Quartz backend of X11. Quartz allow you to have native look GUI on macos. So now all GTK apps can feel native on MACOS. On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 7 February 2014 21:41, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> today igor helped me to understand some hidden part of NativeBoost and we >> massively revisited and expanded the chapter started >> by L. Laffont this summer. Now you this is up to you to expand your >> knowledge :) It was really fun to get the X11 window resize and move :) >> >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… >> >> Enjoy. >> > > Hehe, even i learned something today, that actually you can play with X11 > even on Mac, because it has X11 support installed out of the box. > (Btw, Stef you probably should mention that in chapter, especially details > if you need to install something extra or not). > > >> >> Stef and Igor >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

Feb. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Need a good video about smalltalk

by Marcus Denker

On 07 Feb 2014, at 23:36, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > to present it at front web-page, Lusy is working on right now. > > Any recommendations? > No, I was thinking about that with the videos that got from the talksâ¦ that we need something completely elseâ¦ some kind of introduction lecture but direct screen cap and relatively short. Marcus

Feb. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nice chapter on NativeBoost

by Igor Stasenko

On 7 February 2014 21:41, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > today igor helped me to understand some hidden part of NativeBoost and we > massively revisited and expanded the chapter started > by L. Laffont this summer. Now you this is up to you to expand your > knowledge :) It was really fun to get the X11 window resize and move :) > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… > > Enjoy. > Hehe, even i learned something today, that actually you can play with X11 even on Mac, because it has X11 support installed out of the box. (Btw, Stef you probably should mention that in chapter, especially details if you need to install something extra or not). > > Stef and Igor > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 8, 2014

Need a good video about smalltalk

by Igor Stasenko

to present it at front web-page, Lusy is working on right now. Any recommendations? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 7, 2014