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Re: [Pharo-dev] Problem adding "animation" protocol

by J.F. Rick

Yes, I think it has to do with that. If I press "OK", then the error happens. If I press "Enter", then it selects "zoom animation", which is not what I wanted. That makes more sense. Cheers, Jeff On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Camille Teruel <camille.teruel(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > On 10 fÃ©vr. 2014, at 14:00, J.F. Rick <self(a)je77.com> wrote: > > I was trying to add an "animation" method protocol for a class. When I > did, the browser ceased to function. It seems like it broke the viewer. I > had to quite without saving and recover my changes. I have no problems > adding other protocols. Is "animation" reserved for something? > > > Protocols are just an organization mean and shouldn't bear semantic > meaning. So normally, there is no reserved protocol. > Is this bug related to case 12412? > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12412/protocol-selection-dialog-returns-e… > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > -- > Jochen "Jeff" Rick, Ph.D. > http://www.je77.com/ > Skype ID: jochenrick > > > -- Jochen "Jeff" Rick, Ph.D. http://www.je77.com/ Skype ID: jochenrick

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Problem adding "animation" protocol

by Camille Teruel

On 10 fÃ©vr. 2014, at 14:00, J.F. Rick <self(a)je77.com> wrote: > I was trying to add an "animation" method protocol for a class. When I did, the browser ceased to function. It seems like it broke the viewer. I had to quite without saving and recover my changes. I have no problems adding other protocols. Is "animation" reserved for something? Protocols are just an organization mean and shouldn't bear semantic meaning. So normally, there is no reserved protocol. Is this bug related to case 12412? https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12412/protocol-selection-dialog-returns-e… > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > -- > Jochen "Jeff" Rick, Ph.D. > http://www.je77.com/ > Skype ID: jochenrick

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Problem adding "animation" protocol

by phil＠highoctane.be

Tried on a fresh 30 Adding it the first time doesn't add it (there is a "zoom animation" protocol listed) Adding it twice succeeds. But the system isn't freezing. Pharo3.0 Latest update: #30753 Windows 8.1 Weird indeed. Phil

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Johan Fabry

+1 on this. On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I support it, too. > > The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :) > > So, I suggest this: > - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more structured, and not via mail). > - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that action happens now. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion in private. > > Esteban > > On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > > I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin > > and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation. > > > > Stephan Eggermont > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Feb. 10, 2014

Problem adding "animation" protocol

by J.F. Rick

I was trying to add an "animation" method protocol for a class. When I did, the browser ceased to function. It seems like it broke the viewer. I had to quite without saving and recover my changes. I have no problems adding other protocols. Is "animation" reserved for something? Cheers, Jeff -- Jochen "Jeff" Rick, Ph.D. http://www.je77.com/ Skype ID: jochenrick

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Sebastian Sastre

totally endorsing what Phil says here. Time to stop using email and start using eye to eye meetings. Or hangout or phone. Orâ¦ Battle for being right over a small thing for a tap in the back and at Smalltalkâs perish On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:12 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Guys, > > From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in the kindergarten. > > All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. Backwards, there is a fair chance. > > Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. > > Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to fight over for an European org... (rolleyes). > > Phil > > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Janko, > > I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). > So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last year BUT we were willing to spend it. > > Luc > > > 2014-02-09 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>: > Dear all, > > First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be > blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided. > > Facts namely are: > > 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while > ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report > back to GSoC mentors, > > 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for > paying extra projects [2][3]. > > Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: > > Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD > GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD > ------------------------------ > 13.000 USD > > Expenses: > Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD > > Difference: + 4.000 USD > > If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any > money but gain 4.000 USD. > > Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to > you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! > > Janko > > [1] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg > [2] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 > [3] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw > > > Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piÅ¡e Luc Fabresse: > > Hi all, > > > > ------------ > > FACTS > > > > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. > > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC > > projects in 2013. > > > > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google. > > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. > > > > All in all we paid: > > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each > > projects > > - Serge trip to Mentor summit > > > > And we received 5552EUR from Google > > > > so yes we lost ~6582EUR > > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we > > sponsorized 3. > > > > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor > > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG > > ang gives slots the next year. > > > > It is alos important to note dates. > > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. > > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. > > > > ------------ > > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: > > > > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time > > and it takes a lot! > > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) > > is a really great language that should be more widespread. > > > > I also completely open to discussions. > > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. > > I can do errors too. > > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! > > > > I cannot admit that: > > > > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed > > against the treasurer so me. > > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or > > steal money make me think that I should better quit. > > > > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a > > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for > > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any > > > > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I > > am spending my week-end with my kids > > > > > > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. > > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together > > if any. > > But I think it will never happen... > > > > #Luc > > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood > > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > >

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Andres Valloud

On 2/10/14 4:24 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is apparently alone to think that way. Now now, let's not get the flames stoked again :). Andres.

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Alexandre Bergel

I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is apparently alone to think that way. It is impressive to see how fragile the community is. Thanks Paolo and thanks the ESUG board for handling this difficult situation! Cheers, Alexandre On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I support it, too. > > The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :) > > So, I suggest this: > - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more structured, and not via mail). > - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that action happens now. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion in private. > > Esteban > > On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > > I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin > > and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation. > > > > Stephan Eggermont > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Tudor Girba

I support it, too. The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :) So, I suggest this: - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more structured, and not via mail). - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that action happens now. Cheers, Doru On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion > in private. > > Esteban > > On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > > I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin > > and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation. > > > > Stephan Eggermont > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Esteban Lorenzano

I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion in private. Esteban On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin > and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation. > > Stephan Eggermont > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Feb. 10, 2014