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Re: [Pharo-dev] [fun] Sparkline in Pharo

by Sebastian Sastre

LOL canât see applicability now but thatâs kind of cute :D Iâm sure itâs a nice to have thanks for sharing Alex! On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi! > > I am playing with unicode characters: > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Gofer new > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/abergel/Sparkline/main'; > addPackage: 'Sparkline'; > load. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > #( 1 2 3 4) spark => 'âââââ > #(-5 10 0) spark => 'âââ' > RxsNode withAllSubclasses spark: #numberOfMethods => 'âââââââââââââ > > <Screen Shot 2014-02-26 at 5.18.30 PM.png> > > I got the inspiration from https://github.com/holman/spark > > By the way, I would love to have a short tutorial about unicode characters at esug. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] iPad version does not work ?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Yes. I should update my OSX laptop to Mavericks but on OSX Lion it works. Phil On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi All, > > Are these steps written README file in the PharoVM repo? > e.g. https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/README.md > > Luc > > > 2014-02-26 21:34 GMT+01:00 jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: > >> Yes, but a Pharo1.4 >> I tried with a Pharo2.0 but it freezes. Morover, for Pharo2.0 there are >> some changes to do to download all the stuff. >> >> Here is the process for Pharo 1.4: >> >> ==== >> git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >> cd pharo-vm/image/ >> ./newImage.sh ==> it load a pharo20 >> >> ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder >> buildIPhoneSimulator >> -- or -- >> ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone >> >> cd ../iosbuild/resources/ >> >> ./generate.sh >> >> cd ../../build/ >> >> sudo ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >> >> sudo cmake -G Xcode . >> >> open iPharoSimulator.xcodeproj/ >> >> In the list "ALL_BUILD", go to edit scheme, and change the Executable >> field to the iPharo... >> Select your iOS version and compile it. >> >> >> >> >> 2014-02-26 20:45 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: >> >> So, can we have Pharo on the iphone and ipad? >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:33 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Thank you Esteban, >>> > It works. I failed probably because I did not remove the app in the >>> simulator. >>> > >>> > Thank you again. >>> > >>> > Jannik >>> > >>> > >>> > 2014-02-25 13:26 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> > btw what can be happening is that xcode fails to build freetype2. >>> > the way to workaround this problem is: >>> > >>> > first, build a makefile version of the app: >>> > >>> > sh build.sh >>> > >>> > then, re-prepare for xcode: >>> > >>> > rm CMakeCache.txt >>> > cmake -G Xcode . >>> > >>> > >>> > (that will build freetype2 first, and when xcode tries to get it, it >>> will be already there, so it will ski the build part, who often and >>> mysteriously fails) >>> > >>> > Esteban >>> > >>> > >>> > On 25 Feb 2014, at 13:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> that works for me. >>> >> what is the problem you are having? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 25 Feb 2014, at 12:10, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> It seems to not work :( >>> >>> Here is the process I follow: >>> >>> >>> >>> === >>> >>> git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >>> >>> cd pharo-vm/image/ >>> >>> ./newImage.sh ==> it load a pharo20 >>> >>> >>> >>> ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder >>> buildIPhoneSimulator >>> >>> >>> >>> cd ../iosbuild/resources/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ./generate.sh ==> it is a pharo1.4 image. >>> >>> >>> >>> sudo ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >>> >>> sudo cmake -G Xcode . >>> >>> >>> >>> open iPharoSimulator.xcodeproj/ >>> >>> >>> >>> In the list "ALL_BUILD", go to edit scheme, and change the >>> Executable field to the iPharo. >>> >>> Select your iOS version and compile it. >>> >>> === >>> >>> >>> >>> Jannik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-02-25 9:23 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 08:04, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 01:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> it *should* be working now. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> cheers >>> >>>>> Esteban (who needs to write more documentation, but he does what >>> he can :) ) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> No need lentghly sentences just some nice bulleted lists of actions >>> >>>> and we can do something with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> yes, I will... but as I always say: time is a tyrant. And writing >>> documentation is boring :) >>> >>> Anyway most of the process is already covered with current >>> documentation, I just need to add a few points. >>> >>> >>> >>> (no one reads documentation either, is a bit annoying... every time is >>> like starting from scratch... But don't take me into appoint, I'm having a >>> cynical morning :P) >>> >>> >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:58, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> not yet... so far I restored the build capability, not the image >>> event handling :( >>> >>>>>> (nevertheless, I'm on it :) ) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Esteban >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:00, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Hi Esteban, >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Did you already try ? >>> >>>>>>> I saw a message on the VM repo related to iOS, not sure it is >>> for my problem. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> 2014-01-29 17:32 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano < >>> estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>>>>> oks... I will take a look... as soon as I can :S >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> (damn... I need to learn how to do a mitosis...) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 17:28, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I confirm that it does not work: the simulator compile (but not >>> the non-simulator). >>> >>>>>>>> Then the image cannot be open: I have a white screen. >>> >>>>>>>> Here is my process: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> === >>> >>>>>>>> 1) git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >>> >>>>>>>> 2) in ./image dir prepare a VMMaker image (including download >>> of a pharo 2.0): >>> >>>>>>>> ./newImage.sh >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 3)open the generated.image and execute: >>> >>>>>>>> === >>> >>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone. >>> >>>>>>>> -- or -- >>> >>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhoneSimulator. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 4) Generate your iPhone image in iosbuild/resources/ >>> >>>>>>>> ./generate.sh >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 5) In dir ./build: >>> >>>>>>>> sh build.sh >>> >>>>>>>> === >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 2014-01-29 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>> and btw... >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> iosbuild/resource$ ./generate.sh >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> should generate a 1.4 image that *should* work in ipad (no idea >>> if that will be the case, its been more than 6months since I do not test it >>> and vm changed since then). >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Esteban >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 10:23, Esteban Lorenzano < >>> estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> it should generate all sources and a "build.sh" >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> then >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> build$ sh build.sh >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> will generate an xcode project. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> and let me remember... mmm... yeah, that was all :) >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 08:10, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Esteban, >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hum, this means that my instructions are outdated. >>> >>>>>>>>>> Where are the right instructions ? The ones on Github do not >>> mention IOS. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-01-29 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 00:18, Eliot Miranda < >>> eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < >>> estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> because you are not following the instructions ;) >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> basically... you can generate them by: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> build$ ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> I asked for this info last week ;-). Thanks! >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> hey! I answered you! :P >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> But this is alarming: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> McStalker.pharovm$ ./scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >>> >>>>>>>>>>> readlink: ./scripts/extract-commit-info.sh Invalid >>> argument >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> I suggest changing >>> >>>>>>>>>>> SCRIPT_DIR=`readlink "$0"` || SCRIPT_DIR="$0"; >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to read >>> >>>>>>>>>>> SCRIPT_DIR=`readlink "$0" >/dev/null` || SCRIPT_DIR="$0"; >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Esteban >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 23:15, jannik.laval < >>> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, I am trying the latest one. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When compiling for IOS, I have an error in sqSCCSVersion.h >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> #include "vmVersionInfo.h" // defines REVISION_STRING >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the file is not found. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone knows where is this file ? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jannik the latest vm is not on gitoruous anymore but git >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2014, at 22:03, jannik laval < >>> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hum, have I the correct repository ? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used this one: >>> https://git.gitorious.org/cogvm/cog-osx.git >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I just saw that this one exists: >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should use it no? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-01-27 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.4 and 2.0 worked out of the box... and after my latest >>> integration, 3.0 should work too. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will take a look as soon as I have half and hour to >>> spare. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esteban >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2014, at 14:27, jannik laval < >>> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi list, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone try to load Pharoon iPad ? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the past, the version 1.4 worked with XCode 4.4. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just tried to recompile it with the new XCode (5.0.2). >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The VM seems to work, but the pharo 1.4 image freezes. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea ? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>> best, >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eliot >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> > Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> > Enseignant-chercheur >>> > http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> > >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] about dateAndTime and TimeStamp

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 26 Feb 2014, at 23:03, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I share the same idiomatic feeling with Norbert. > > However it is completely counter-intuitive (and counter productive > too) that you can't instantiate a DateAndTime using the class side > builder #date:time:, it is available in Pharo 2.0, but #date:time: was > removed in a 3.0 image I tried a month ago. No, it is not, DateAndTime class>>#date:time: is there alright. > Regards! > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2014-02-26 17:36 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >> Am 26.02.2014 um 21:29 schrieb Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: >> >>> one of these days we will have to remove TimeStamp because it just adds noise to the system (in fact I would not have any problem to see DateAndTime renamed as timestamp - but having the two for nothing looks useless to me). >> >> +100 >> >> I don't really get what the use of it is, too. The mere fact that DateAndTime printString returns ISO8601 dates and TimeStamp does not makes me always use DateAndTime instead. My problem is that I often take a "snapshot of time" (like in a log event) that for me as a non-native speaker is more related to the word timeStamp than DatenAndTime which sounds like a date and time management object. But everytime I write >> >> timeStamp := DateAndTime now >> >> it feels wrong. So I would be glad if there would be some clarification here. >> >> Norbert >> >> >> >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] iPad version does not work ?

by Luc Fabresse

Hi All, Are these steps written README file in the PharoVM repo? e.g. https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/README.md Luc 2014-02-26 21:34 GMT+01:00 jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: > Yes, but a Pharo1.4 > I tried with a Pharo2.0 but it freezes. Morover, for Pharo2.0 there are > some changes to do to download all the stuff. > > Here is the process for Pharo 1.4: > > ==== > git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git > cd pharo-vm/image/ > ./newImage.sh ==> it load a pharo20 > > ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhoneSimulator > -- or -- > ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone > > cd ../iosbuild/resources/ > > ./generate.sh > > cd ../../build/ > > sudo ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh > > sudo cmake -G Xcode . > > open iPharoSimulator.xcodeproj/ > > In the list "ALL_BUILD", go to edit scheme, and change the Executable > field to the iPharo... > Select your iOS version and compile it. > > > > > 2014-02-26 20:45 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: > > So, can we have Pharo on the iphone and ipad? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:33 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Thank you Esteban, >> > It works. I failed probably because I did not remove the app in the >> simulator. >> > >> > Thank you again. >> > >> > Jannik >> > >> > >> > 2014-02-25 13:26 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> > btw what can be happening is that xcode fails to build freetype2. >> > the way to workaround this problem is: >> > >> > first, build a makefile version of the app: >> > >> > sh build.sh >> > >> > then, re-prepare for xcode: >> > >> > rm CMakeCache.txt >> > cmake -G Xcode . >> > >> > >> > (that will build freetype2 first, and when xcode tries to get it, it >> will be already there, so it will ski the build part, who often and >> mysteriously fails) >> > >> > Esteban >> > >> > >> > On 25 Feb 2014, at 13:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> that works for me. >> >> what is the problem you are having? >> >> >> >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2014, at 12:10, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> It seems to not work :( >> >>> Here is the process I follow: >> >>> >> >>> === >> >>> git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >> >>> cd pharo-vm/image/ >> >>> ./newImage.sh ==> it load a pharo20 >> >>> >> >>> ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder >> buildIPhoneSimulator >> >>> >> >>> cd ../iosbuild/resources/ >> >>> >> >>> ./generate.sh ==> it is a pharo1.4 image. >> >>> >> >>> sudo ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >> >>> sudo cmake -G Xcode . >> >>> >> >>> open iPharoSimulator.xcodeproj/ >> >>> >> >>> In the list "ALL_BUILD", go to edit scheme, and change the Executable >> field to the iPharo. >> >>> Select your iOS version and compile it. >> >>> === >> >>> >> >>> Jannik >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2014-02-25 9:23 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> >> >>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 08:04, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 01:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> it *should* be working now. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> cheers >> >>>>> Esteban (who needs to write more documentation, but he does what he >> can :) ) >> >>>> >> >>>> No need lentghly sentences just some nice bulleted lists of actions >> >>>> and we can do something with that. >> >>> >> >>> yes, I will... but as I always say: time is a tyrant. And writing >> documentation is boring :) >> >>> Anyway most of the process is already covered with current >> documentation, I just need to add a few points. >> >>> >> >>> (no one reads documentation either, is a bit annoying... every time is >> like starting from scratch... But don't take me into appoint, I'm having a >> cynical morning :P) >> >>> >> >>> Esteban >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:58, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> not yet... so far I restored the build capability, not the image >> event handling :( >> >>>>>> (nevertheless, I'm on it :) ) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Esteban >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:00, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hi Esteban, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Did you already try ? >> >>>>>>> I saw a message on the VM repo related to iOS, not sure it is for >> my problem. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 2014-01-29 17:32 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> >: >> >>>>>>> oks... I will take a look... as soon as I can :S >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> (damn... I need to learn how to do a mitosis...) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 17:28, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I confirm that it does not work: the simulator compile (but not >> the non-simulator). >> >>>>>>>> Then the image cannot be open: I have a white screen. >> >>>>>>>> Here is my process: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> === >> >>>>>>>> 1) git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >> >>>>>>>> 2) in ./image dir prepare a VMMaker image (including download of >> a pharo 2.0): >> >>>>>>>> ./newImage.sh >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 3)open the generated.image and execute: >> >>>>>>>> === >> >>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone. >> >>>>>>>> -- or -- >> >>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhoneSimulator. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 4) Generate your iPhone image in iosbuild/resources/ >> >>>>>>>> ./generate.sh >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 5) In dir ./build: >> >>>>>>>> sh build.sh >> >>>>>>>> === >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 2014-01-29 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>> and btw... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> iosbuild/resource$ ./generate.sh >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> should generate a 1.4 image that *should* work in ipad (no idea >> if that will be the case, its been more than 6months since I do not test it >> and vm changed since then). >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Esteban >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 10:23, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> it should generate all sources and a "build.sh" >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> then >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> build$ sh build.sh >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> will generate an xcode project. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> and let me remember... mmm... yeah, that was all :) >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 08:10, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Esteban, >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hum, this means that my instructions are outdated. >> >>>>>>>>>> Where are the right instructions ? The ones on Github do not >> mention IOS. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-01-29 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 00:18, Eliot Miranda < >> eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < >> estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> because you are not following the instructions ;) >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> basically... you can generate them by: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> build$ ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I asked for this info last week ;-). Thanks! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> hey! I answered you! :P >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> But this is alarming: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> McStalker.pharovm$ ./scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >> >>>>>>>>>>> readlink: ./scripts/extract-commit-info.sh Invalid >> argument >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I suggest changing >> >>>>>>>>>>> SCRIPT_DIR=`readlink "$0"` || SCRIPT_DIR="$0"; >> >>>>>>>>>>> to read >> >>>>>>>>>>> SCRIPT_DIR=`readlink "$0" >/dev/null` || SCRIPT_DIR="$0"; >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Esteban >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 23:15, jannik.laval < >> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, I am trying the latest one. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> When compiling for IOS, I have an error in sqSCCSVersion.h >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> #include "vmVersionInfo.h" // defines REVISION_STRING >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the file is not found. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone knows where is this file ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jannik the latest vm is not on gitoruous anymore but git >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2014, at 22:03, jannik laval < >> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hum, have I the correct repository ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used this one: >> https://git.gitorious.org/cogvm/cog-osx.git >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I just saw that this one exists: >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should use it no? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-01-27 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.4 and 2.0 worked out of the box... and after my latest >> integration, 3.0 should work too. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will take a look as soon as I have half and hour to >> spare. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esteban >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2014, at 14:27, jannik laval < >> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi list, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone try to load Pharoon iPad ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the past, the version 1.4 worked with XCode 4.4. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just tried to recompile it with the new XCode (5.0.2). >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The VM seems to work, but the pharo 1.4 image freezes. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> best, >> >>>>>>>>>>> Eliot >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> > Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> > Enseignant-chercheur >> > http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> > >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-Business: a new mailing-list

by phil＠highoctane.be

Exactly. But it is a step. In a polyglot IT environment (Java , CRuby, Python, Scala, Perl, R...) there is a place for Pharo I am sure. Especially for dealing with 'meta' things with a fast delivery cycle. Phil On Thursday, February 27, 2014, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > You will not get people to send business ideas in a development list :). > > We need to start the conversation of what makes Pharo profitable as > opposed to geeky cool. The mailing is an effort in this direction. > > Doru > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo < > emaringolo(a)gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','emaringolo(a)gmail.com');> > > wrote: > >> I don't see the point of having another list, I don't see many >> business related topics going on in the dev or users lists. In fact >> they have moderate traffic (and could even converge). >> >> However, if the idea is to foster business talk, maybe a separate list is >> okay. >> >> I'm in. >> Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> >> 2014-02-26 17:45 GMT-03:00 Santiago Bragagnolo < >> santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com');> >> >: >> > Make a list where the main point is about industry issues, share >> knowledge >> > and experience about general implications of pharo in a full project. >> > Recommend frameworks for specific domains. And then also soft knowledge, >> > know who is working with pharo in business to know to who ask for help >> in >> > case of over. >> > >> > What we will gain is as beginning, order in our knowledge database. Then >> > knowledge related with pharo but not from technical point, but business. >> > >> > Finally, the Pharo powered is about 'branding'. In both cases we are >> getting >> > knowledge scoped and ordered and almost free, more visible movement >> related. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2014-02-26 21:27 GMT+01:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','emaringolo(a)gmail.com');> >> >: >> > >> >> Hi Stef, >> >> >> >> Can you explain what's the purpose of this list? >> >> >> >> I don't fully get it. What is to be discussed there? Market for Pharo? >> >> Derived businesses from pharo? (like pharocloud?). >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards! >> >> Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-02-26 16:05 GMT-03:00 Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pharo4Stef(a)free.fr');> >> >: >> >> > Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers from all over the world >> >> > >> >> > We would really like to push business in our community and we believe >> >> > that it is important to create a community around business questions. >> >> > We created a new mailing-list >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-business_lists.pharo.org >> >> > >> >> > The idea is to identify >> >> > - potential market >> >> > - missing technical solutions that we could build together >> >> > - share technical assets from a business perspective (which >> >> > frameworks for what). >> >> > >> >> > We hope that you will like the idea and that more business can >> emerge! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > -- --- Philippe Back Visible Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Floats problem with SIXX between Pharo and GemStone

by Pharo4Stef

On 26 Feb 2014, at 23:08, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That's exactly for this kind of reasons that I developped an ExtendedNumberParser connected to Number class>>readFrom:, to allow a variety of formats used in the rest of the world. > > It would have been easy to allow upper letter exponents in this parser, but the class was considered superfluous and removed from Pharo 3.0â¦ Nicolas to explain a bit the removal of that class. I do not think that Java has three different parser for number in its core or ruby? >From a maintenance perspective this is a lot of stress on us (not only at the code level the conceptually). If we do not have a guy like you taking care of such issues in Pharo daily how can we continue maintaining different parser? This is why we should simplifiy. Why this is the not the job of a GemstoneToPharoPharo to do that? Or ExternalNumberParser (to me it if conceptually different than ExtendedNumberParser) and it should be packaged somewhere else. We got at least two ASTs, three parsers and this cannot be. Stef > > > 2014-02-26 22:38 GMT+01:00 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Hi guys, > > When I export SmallDoubles with SIXX in GemStone it generates something like this: > > <sixx.object sixx.id="15" sixx.name="close" sixx.type="SmallDouble" >1.0000000000000000E-02</sixx.object> > > This is because "0.01 asString" -> '1.0000000000000000E-02' > > > > Then I want to load this in Pharo. So first problem is that of course SmallDouble doesn't exist. So I did: > > > > aSixxShapeChangeStream shapeChangers at: #SmallDouble put: Float. > > But then, SIXX use Float >> readFrom: aStream > "Answer a new Float as described on the stream, aStream." > > ^(super readFrom: aStream) asFloat > > > So, of course " Float readFrom: '1.0000000000000000E-02' " -> 1.0 > > So my 0.01 in gemstone become 1.0 in Pharo.... > > Am I doing something wrong or this is expected? What is the best workaround? > > In GemStone I could print the SmallDouble in the XML with a method like > > Float >> xmlRepresentation > ^ String streamContents: > [:strm | self printOn: strm base: 10] > > Is this the correct approach? If true, I guess I should define: > > Float >> sixxContentOn: aStream indent: level context: dictionary > aStream nextPutAll: self xmlRepresentation > > > Thoughts? > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] about dateAndTime and TimeStamp

by Pharo4Stef

On 26 Feb 2014, at 23:03, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I share the same idiomatic feeling with Norbert. > > However it is completely counter-intuitive (and counter productive > too) that you can't instantiate a DateAndTime using the class side > builder #date:time:, it is available in Pharo 2.0, but #date:time: was > removed in a 3.0 image I tried a month ago. strange, Did you report it before? Stef > > Regards! > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2014-02-26 17:36 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >> Am 26.02.2014 um 21:29 schrieb Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: >> >>> one of these days we will have to remove TimeStamp because it just adds noise to the system (in fact I would not have any problem to see DateAndTime renamed as timestamp - but having the two for nothing looks useless to me). >> >> +100 >> >> I don't really get what the use of it is, too. The mere fact that DateAndTime printString returns ISO8601 dates and TimeStamp does not makes me always use DateAndTime instead. My problem is that I often take a "snapshot of time" (like in a log event) that for me as a non-native speaker is more related to the word timeStamp than DatenAndTime which sounds like a date and time management object. But everytime I write >> >> timeStamp := DateAndTime now >> >> it feels wrong. So I would be glad if there would be some clarification here. >> >> Norbert >> >> >> >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] How to upload some version from the package-cache to a StHub project

by Pharo4Stef

This is also explained in the gofer chapter in the deepintopharo book Stef On 26 Feb 2014, at 22:53, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: > Gabriel Cotelli-3 wrote >> I have a whole package history in my local package cache and I want to >> upload it to a new SmalltalkHub project. I've tried using the Monticello >> browser but it insists in creating a new version of the package when I do >> the "Save" to the new repository. >> >> Is there some option to do something like this? Or some script? > > If you have several packages you can use this script: > > Gofer new > package: 'MyProject-Core'; > package: 'MyProject-Tests'; > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/USER/MyProject/main/' username: 'USER' > password: '***'; > push. > > (Thanks again to Camillo Bruni: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17454965/how-to-copy-several-monticello-…) > > m. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-upload-some-version-from-the-package-cache-to-… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-Business: a new mailing-list

by Tudor Girba

Hi, You will not get people to send business ideas in a development list :). We need to start the conversation of what makes Pharo profitable as opposed to geeky cool. The mailing is an effort in this direction. Doru On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com > wrote: > I don't see the point of having another list, I don't see many > business related topics going on in the dev or users lists. In fact > they have moderate traffic (and could even converge). > > However, if the idea is to foster business talk, maybe a separate list is > okay. > > I'm in. > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2014-02-26 17:45 GMT-03:00 Santiago Bragagnolo < > santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com>: > > Make a list where the main point is about industry issues, share > knowledge > > and experience about general implications of pharo in a full project. > > Recommend frameworks for specific domains. And then also soft knowledge, > > know who is working with pharo in business to know to who ask for help in > > case of over. > > > > What we will gain is as beginning, order in our knowledge database. Then > > knowledge related with pharo but not from technical point, but business. > > > > Finally, the Pharo powered is about 'branding'. In both cases we are > getting > > knowledge scoped and ordered and almost free, more visible movement > related. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-02-26 21:27 GMT+01:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: > > > >> Hi Stef, > >> > >> Can you explain what's the purpose of this list? > >> > >> I don't fully get it. What is to be discussed there? Market for Pharo? > >> Derived businesses from pharo? (like pharocloud?). > >> > >> Thank you! > >> > >> > >> Regards! > >> Esteban A. Maringolo > >> > >> > >> 2014-02-26 16:05 GMT-03:00 Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: > >> > Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers from all over the world > >> > > >> > We would really like to push business in our community and we believe > >> > that it is important to create a community around business questions. > >> > We created a new mailing-list > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-business_lists.pharo.org > >> > > >> > The idea is to identify > >> > - potential market > >> > - missing technical solutions that we could build together > >> > - share technical assets from a business perspective (which > >> > frameworks for what). > >> > > >> > We hope that you will like the idea and that more business can emerge! > >> > > >> > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-Business: a new mailing-list

by Tudor Girba

Thanks Stef! Doru On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: > Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers from all over the world > > We would really like to push business in our community and we believe that > it is important to create a community around business questions. > We created a new mailing-list > > > http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-business_lists.pharo.org > > The idea is to identify > - potential market > - missing technical solutions that we could build together > - share technical assets from a business perspective (which > frameworks for what). > > We hope that you will like the idea and that more business can emerge! > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Feb. 27, 2014