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Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk tools: explore failing in 3.0

by phil＠highoctane.be

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:07 PM, <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> If I do inspect >> >> Smalltalk tools >> it works. >> >> But explore crashes. >> >> How is that? >> >> Phil >> > That is worth logging a must-fix bug. > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13058 --- Phil

March 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3.0 and Halos: very annoying to work with

by phil＠highoctane.be

On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:00 PM, <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > I am working on moving TWM to 3.0 and the way morphs are controlled now > is really annoying. > > Now, we get the new menu when doing the special clicking (e.g. > Shift-Alt-Click in Windows, Cmd-Shift Click in OSX). > > How is one now supposed to be accessing the internal morphs by clicking > multiple times and having the halo follow suit? > > The menu prevents that as it gets in the way. > > Thanks. > > Phil > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Not sure what you mean. Attached image shows halos after a single > <Shift-Alt-Click> in Windows 7 build 30780. > cheers -ben > Latest build, Windows 8.1 gives me the attached picture. Only when doing "add halos" in the menu showing up do we get halos. Phil

March 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is there some shared memory space?

by Max Leske

On 08.03.2014, at 23:12, btc(a)openInWorld.com wrote: > Max Leske wrote: >> >> >> On 08.03.2014, at 15:03, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hmm, as far as I know there is no "shared memory space"... or bah.. what do you mean by that? >>> >>> From my understanding I'd say that when you do: >>> >>> "- I fix the bug (i.e., commenting the self error)" >>> >>> you introduce some side effect that causes an infinite recursion => lots of contexts are reified because the vm stack gets full => you run out of memory >> >> No, it seems that the error lies with Fuel, although I canât yet say why. Iâm still investigating. >> >> Max > > Max, You've been able to reproduce the problem? Not really. Iâm working on it with Roberto and post back once weâve figured out more. Iâm pretty sure though that VM and image are fine (apart from limiting the heap size to 500MB *grml*). > >> >>> >>> BTW, are you on windows, linux, mac? which vm/image? >>> >>> Guille >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>> Anyone on this? It is very frustrating for me. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Roby >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:05 PM, roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > On Mar 7, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> On 07.03.2014, at 11:55, roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am experiencing a very strange problem that makes me think there is some shared memory problem with Pharo. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here are the steps that lead to the problem: >>> >>> - I have an image, I do something (i.e., materializing objects with Fuel) >>> >>> - I encounter a problem and a debugger pops up with a âself error: something" >>> >>> - I close the debugger >>> >>> - I close the image >>> >> >>> >> Do you save the image? If so, are you saving references to the already materialized objects? >>> > >>> > Of course, I did not save the image. Otherwise Iâd have understood the behavior. >>> > >>> >> >>> >>> - I reopen the image >>> >>> - I fix the bug (i.e., commenting the self error) >>> >>> - I re-run the same thing as in the first step >>> >>> - An OutOfMemory error appears. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any clue? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Roberto >>> >>> >>> >> >

March 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is there some shared memory space?

by btc＠openinworld.com

March 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk tools: explore failing in 3.0

by btc＠openinworld.com

phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > If I do inspect > > Smalltalk tools > > it works. > > But explore crashes. > > How is that? > > Phil That is worth logging a must-fix bug.

March 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3.0 and Halos: very annoying to work with

by btc＠openinworld.com

March 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal3D not working in 3.0

by phil＠highoctane.be

Yeah, cool! I enjoyed playing with GraphET and Roassal (3D). A question: I am interested in using the technology in a web application. There is ROAmber somewhere. That's one option. Now, there is also the Seaside generated graphics. Is it possible to use the graphics there? I ask because with a Form I know how to find the bits back and smooth it with Balloon. But with AthensCanvas, I do not know if it is possible. Also, using Seaside, I'd love to be able to have interactive graphics but without Amber, just with plain JavaScript. Would this be possible? TIA Phil On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > Wow. We will fix this very very soon. This has to work. This is a promise > :) > > Alexandre > > > Le 08-03-2014 Ã 11:09, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> a > Ã©crit : > > > > I loaded Roassal3D in Pharo3.0 but... > > > > no FormCanvas>>createPath? > > > > It looks like createPath moved to AthensCanvas. > > > > Are we only going to be able to use AthensCanvas and have no more pure > Form bitmap work? > > > > Is there a Roassal3D version working on (latest) 3.0? > > > > Phil > > <08-03-14 15-04-49.png> > >

March 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal3D not working in 3.0

by Alexandre Bergel

Wow. We will fix this very very soon. This has to work. This is a promise :) Alexandre > Le 08-03-2014 Ã 11:09, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> a Ã©crit : > > I loaded Roassal3D in Pharo3.0 but... > > no FormCanvas>>createPath? > > It looks like createPath moved to AthensCanvas. > > Are we only going to be able to use AthensCanvas and have no more pure Form bitmap work? > > Is there a Roassal3D version working on (latest) 3.0? > > Phil > <08-03-14 15-04-49.png>

March 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] MooseDay in Paris

by Serge Stinckwich

Yes this is too bad if you could not come. On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > It's great to see these events spawning. Unfortunately, I am unlikely to be > able to attend because of other conferences in the same period :( > > Doru > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Serge Stinckwich > <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> apparently at the moment, only 3 people have a made a selection for the >> day. >> I would like to select the MOOSEDay dates as soon as possible. >> >> Please choose your favorite day here : http://doodle.com/kin3wke272xpv5rf >> >> Regards, >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Serge Stinckwich >> <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Dear all, >> > >> > I would like to organize a MooseDay in May or June at Pierre and Marie >> > Curie University: >> > >> > http://upmc.fr/fr/universite/campus_et_sites/a_paris_et_en_idf/jussieu.html >> > >> > UPMC Campus is located at the center of Paris. >> > >> > In order to fix a day, please add in the following doodle when you >> > could attend the MooseDay (this day will be followed by a MOOSE/Pharo >> > sprint friday): >> > >> > http://doodle.com/kin3wke272xpv5rf >> > >> > Thank you. >> > Regards, >> > -- >> > Serge Stinckwich >> > UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >> > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >> >> >> >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

March 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is there some shared memory space?

by Max Leske

On 08.03.2014, at 15:03, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hmm, as far as I know there is no "shared memory space"... or bah.. what do you mean by that? > > From my understanding I'd say that when you do: > > "- I fix the bug (i.e., commenting the self error)" > > you introduce some side effect that causes an infinite recursion => lots of contexts are reified because the vm stack gets full => you run out of memory No, it seems that the error lies with Fuel, although I canât yet say why. Iâm still investigating. Max > > BTW, are you on windows, linux, mac? which vm/image? > > Guille > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: > Anyone on this? It is very frustrating for me. > > Cheers, > Roby > > On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:05 PM, roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch wrote: > > > > > On Mar 7, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> On 07.03.2014, at 11:55, roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch wrote: > >> > >>> Hi guys, > >>> > >>> I am experiencing a very strange problem that makes me think there is some shared memory problem with Pharo. > >>> > >>> Here are the steps that lead to the problem: > >>> - I have an image, I do something (i.e., materializing objects with Fuel) > >>> - I encounter a problem and a debugger pops up with a âself error: something" > >>> - I close the debugger > >>> - I close the image > >> > >> Do you save the image? If so, are you saving references to the already materialized objects? > > > > Of course, I did not save the image. Otherwise Iâd have understood the behavior. > > > >> > >>> - I reopen the image > >>> - I fix the bug (i.e., commenting the self error) > >>> - I re-run the same thing as in the first step > >>> - An OutOfMemory error appears. > >>> > >>> Any clue? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Roberto > > >

March 8, 2014