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Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Logo

by Alexandre Bergel

works well now ! Nice logos!!!! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On 09 Jun 2014, at 20:23, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > >> I cannot access it. I have an error. > > fixedâ¦ permissions where wrong > >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 07 Jun 2014, at 18:35, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That is the old logo. I was also looking for the flat high resolution logo, but I cannot find that one on the files server. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know where to find that one? >>> I have updated >>> >>> http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/Pharo%20Logo%20SVG/ >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:37 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> yeap thats what I was looking for , thanks Ben. I tried to google it but nothing came up. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >>>> kilon alios wrote: >>>> Hi I want to use the pharo logo at the start of each of my video tutorials, is there is a high res version of it or a vector version I can scale up ? My videos are HD so I would prefer it if it was something that I can use as big size. >>>> maybe http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/Pharo%20Logo%20SVG/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> >> >> > >

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bench comparing Pahro 1.4 and 3.0.

by Esteban Lorenzano

I do not understand, what is/could be a vm issue? Esteban On 09 Jun 2014, at 18:08, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > Is this a VM issue? > I took the same image (drgeo from http://www.drgeo.eu/ download page) > and run it with pharo4 vm and pharo 1.4 (from http://www.drgeo.eu/) > > 520 msec vs 371 msec: > > > > > Image > ----- > P:\Pharo4.0\drgeo.image > Pharo1.4 > Latest update: #14459 > Unnamed > > Virtual Machine > --------------- > P:\Pharo4.0\Pharo.exe > > > - 512 tallies, 520 msec. > > .... > > **Leaves** > 13.1% {68ms} Array class(Behavior)>>inheritsFrom: > 9.4% {49ms} DrGPointIntersectionItem>>= > 8.0% {42ms} DrGPointFreeItem(DrGMathItem)>>= > 6.6% {35ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>hasEqualElements: > 6.6% {35ms} DrGCircle2ptsItem(DrGMathItem)>>parentsEqual: > 6.3% {33ms} WeakActionSequence(SequenceableCollection)>>first > 5.7% {29ms} OrderedCollection>>at: > 4.7% {24ms} OrderedCollection>>size > 2.7% {14ms} Array(Object)>>isKindOf: > 2.7% {14ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>= > 1.8% {9ms} OrderedCollection>>do: > 1.8% {9ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>indexOf:startingAt:ifAbsent: > > > > > > > Image > ----- > c:\Users\nicolai\Downloads\DrGeo.app\Contents\Resources\drgeo.image > Pharo1.4 > Latest update: #14459 > Unnamed > > Virtual Machine > --------------- > c:\Users\nicolai\Downloads\DrGeo.app\drgeo.exe > > > - 366 tallies, 371 msec. > > > **Leaves** > 14.5% {54ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>hasEqualElements: > 11.5% {43ms} DrGPointIntersectionItem>>= > 10.7% {40ms} OrderedCollection class(Behavior)>>inheritsFrom: > 6.8% {25ms} DrGPointIntersectionItem(DrGMathItem)>>parentsEqual: > 5.7% {21ms} OrderedCollection>>at: > 5.5% {20ms} Array(SequenceableCollection)>>first > 5.2% {19ms} OrderedCollection>>size > 4.6% {17ms} DrGCircle2ptsItem(DrGMathItem)>>= > 4.4% {16ms} Array(SequenceableCollection)>>= > 3.3% {12ms} Array(Object)>>isKindOf: > 2.5% {9ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>indexOf:startingAt:ifAbsent: > 2.2% {8ms} SmallInteger>>bitShift: > 1.6% {6ms} OrderedCollection>>do: > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-06-09 12:24 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Nicolai, > > No, check on Smalltalk Hub. You will find instruction to install it as well. > > The ConfigurationOfDrGeo will not fetch the latest code, but once > installed you can update the packages -Core and -Polymorph throught > Monticello. > > Hilaire > > > Script to try for rendering slowness (replace "figure do:" with > "MessageTally spyOn:" to measure) > > |canvas s stats points| > > points :=Array new: 12. > stats := Array new: 12 withAll: 0. > > canvas := DrGeoCanvas new. > canvas scale: 20; fullscreen ; > centerTo: 6@10. > 2 to: 12 do: [:i | > points at: i put: (canvas point: i(a)0.1) > (points at: i) square; color: Color blue. > s := canvas segment: i@0 to: (points at: i). > s color: Color red]. > > figure do: [ > 1 to: 10000 do: [:i| > s := 6 atRandom + 6 atRandom. > stats at: s put: ((stats at: s)+1). > (points at: s) > name: (stats at: s) asString; > moveTo: s @ ((stats at: s) / 100). > canvas update]]. > > > Or another script to stress other aspect: > > | figure triangle | > figure := DrGeoCanvas new fullscreen. > triangle := [ ]. > > triangle := [:p1 :p2 :p3 :n | |s1 s2 s3 perp cercle p4 | > s1 := figure segment: p1 to: p2. > s2 := (figure segment: p2 to: p3) color: Color red; large. > s3 := figure segment: p3 to: p1. > perp := figure perpendicular: s3 at: p3. > cercle := figure circleCenter: p3 to: p2. > p4 := figure altIntersectionOf: cercle and: perp. > perp hide. cercle hide. p4 hide. > n > 0 ifTrue: [triangle value: p1 value: p3 value: p4 value: n -1]]. > > MessageTally spyOn: [triangle value: 0@0 value: -1@0 value: -1@1 > value: 50] > > > > > Le 08/06/2014 23:07, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > > > > I would like to take a look at this, can > > you provide me your current DrGeo version you are using > > for this. (I guess it is not http://www.squeaksource.com/DrGeoII) > > -- > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > iStoa - https://launchpad.net/istoa > > >

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bench comparing Pahro 1.4 and 3.0.

by Nicolai Hess

Is this a VM issue? I took the same image (drgeo from http://www.drgeo.eu/ download page) and run it with pharo4 vm and pharo 1.4 (from http://www.drgeo.eu/) 520 msec vs 371 msec: Image ----- P:\Pharo4.0\drgeo.image Pharo1.4 Latest update: #14459 Unnamed Virtual Machine --------------- P:\Pharo4.0\Pharo.exe - 512 tallies, 520 msec. .... **Leaves** 13.1% {68ms} Array class(Behavior)>>inheritsFrom: 9.4% {49ms} DrGPointIntersectionItem>>= 8.0% {42ms} DrGPointFreeItem(DrGMathItem)>>= 6.6% {35ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>hasEqualElements: 6.6% {35ms} DrGCircle2ptsItem(DrGMathItem)>>parentsEqual: 6.3% {33ms} WeakActionSequence(SequenceableCollection)>>first 5.7% {29ms} OrderedCollection>>at: 4.7% {24ms} OrderedCollection>>size 2.7% {14ms} Array(Object)>>isKindOf: 2.7% {14ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>= 1.8% {9ms} OrderedCollection>>do: 1.8% {9ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>indexOf:startingAt:ifAbsent: Image ----- c:\Users\nicolai\Downloads\DrGeo.app\Contents\Resources\drgeo.image Pharo1.4 Latest update: #14459 Unnamed Virtual Machine --------------- c:\Users\nicolai\Downloads\DrGeo.app\drgeo.exe - 366 tallies, 371 msec. **Leaves** 14.5% {54ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>hasEqualElements: 11.5% {43ms} DrGPointIntersectionItem>>= 10.7% {40ms} OrderedCollection class(Behavior)>>inheritsFrom: 6.8% {25ms} DrGPointIntersectionItem(DrGMathItem)>>parentsEqual: 5.7% {21ms} OrderedCollection>>at: 5.5% {20ms} Array(SequenceableCollection)>>first 5.2% {19ms} OrderedCollection>>size 4.6% {17ms} DrGCircle2ptsItem(DrGMathItem)>>= 4.4% {16ms} Array(SequenceableCollection)>>= 3.3% {12ms} Array(Object)>>isKindOf: 2.5% {9ms} OrderedCollection(SequenceableCollection)>>indexOf:startingAt:ifAbsent: 2.2% {8ms} SmallInteger>>bitShift: 1.6% {6ms} OrderedCollection>>do: 2014-06-09 12:24 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Nicolai, > > No, check on Smalltalk Hub. You will find instruction to install it as > well. > > The ConfigurationOfDrGeo will not fetch the latest code, but once > installed you can update the packages -Core and -Polymorph throught > Monticello. > > Hilaire > > > Script to try for rendering slowness (replace "figure do:" with > "MessageTally spyOn:" to measure) > > |canvas s stats points| > > points :=Array new: 12. > stats := Array new: 12 withAll: 0. > > canvas := DrGeoCanvas new. > canvas scale: 20; fullscreen ; > centerTo: 6@10. > 2 to: 12 do: [:i | > points at: i put: (canvas point: i(a)0.1) > (points at: i) square; color: Color blue. > s := canvas segment: i@0 to: (points at: i). > s color: Color red]. > > figure do: [ > 1 to: 10000 do: [:i| > s := 6 atRandom + 6 atRandom. > stats at: s put: ((stats at: s)+1). > (points at: s) > name: (stats at: s) asString; > moveTo: s @ ((stats at: s) / 100). > canvas update]]. > > > Or another script to stress other aspect: > > | figure triangle | > figure := DrGeoCanvas new fullscreen. > triangle := [ ]. > > triangle := [:p1 :p2 :p3 :n | |s1 s2 s3 perp cercle p4 | > s1 := figure segment: p1 to: p2. > s2 := (figure segment: p2 to: p3) color: Color red; large. > s3 := figure segment: p3 to: p1. > perp := figure perpendicular: s3 at: p3. > cercle := figure circleCenter: p3 to: p2. > p4 := figure altIntersectionOf: cercle and: perp. > perp hide. cercle hide. p4 hide. > n > 0 ifTrue: [triangle value: p1 value: p3 value: p4 value: n -1]]. > > MessageTally spyOn: [triangle value: 0@0 value: -1@0 value: -1@1 > value: 50] > > > > > Le 08/06/2014 23:07, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > > > > I would like to take a look at this, can > > you provide me your current DrGeo version you are using > > for this. (I guess it is not http://www.squeaksource.com/DrGeoII) > > -- > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > iStoa - https://launchpad.net/istoa > > >

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

by phil＠highoctane.be

Le 9 juin 2014 20:40, "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > I have to admit Esteban is absolutely right. DrGeo on Android and iPad > were very interesting experiences but it is not up to the expect level > in term of user experience on these devices. Yes, same feedback here. For games, Monkey is a good system. http://monkeycoder.co.nz The whole translator is open source. I once toyed with the idea of bridging the Pharo with it. An embeddable VM could be helpful here. Phil > > Hilaire > > Le 09/06/2014 20:00, Esteban A. Maringolo a Ã©crit : > > Just a comment: > > With the exception of something like Dr. Geo which has a complex > > custom drawn UI or for games, I wouldn't advice anybody to develop a > > "traditional" application using Pharo on Android. > > > > My company develops native Android apps (backed with Pharo servers), > > and unless the app is rudimentary or you need to run on all devices... > > I wouldn't recommend html5 (js and friends) either. The technology > > "isn't there" yet (but it's moving forward). > > > > Regards! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > > > > 2014-06-09 14:25 GMT-03:00 Pablo R. Digonzelli <pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com>: > >> Thanks all! > >> > >> > >> Ing. Pablo Digonzelli > >> Software Solutions > >> IP-Solutiones SRL > >> Metrotec SRL > >> 25 de Mayo 521 > >> Email: pdigonzelli(a)softsargentina.com > >> pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com > >> Cel: 5493815982714 > >> > >> ----- Mensaje original ----- > >> De: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> > >> Para: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > >> Enviados: Lunes, 9 de Junio 2014 13:27:52 > >> Asunto: Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android > >> > >> I have been using it for DrGeo > >> https://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds > >> > >> Hilaire > >> > >> Le 09/06/2014 16:50, Pablo R. Digonzelli a Ã©crit : > >>> Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android? > >>> Time frame ? > >>> > >>> TIA > >>> > >>> **** > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> *Ing. Pablo Digonzelli* > >>> Software Solutions > >>> IP-Solutiones SRL > >>> Metrotec SRL > >>> 25 de Mayo 521 > >>> Email: pdigonzelli(a)softsargentina.com > >>> pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com > >>> Cel: 5493815982714 > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > >> iStoa - https://launchpad.net/istoa > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > iStoa - https://launchpad.net/istoa > >

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Logo

by Marcus Denker

On 09 Jun 2014, at 20:23, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > I cannot access it. I have an error. fixedâ¦ permissions where wrong > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> On 07 Jun 2014, at 18:35, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >>> That is the old logo. I was also looking for the flat high resolution logo, but I cannot find that one on the files server. >>> >>> Does anyone know where to find that one? >> I have updated >> >> http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/Pharo%20Logo%20SVG/ >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:37 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> yeap thats what I was looking for , thanks Ben. I tried to google it but nothing came up. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >>> kilon alios wrote: >>> Hi I want to use the pharo logo at the start of each of my video tutorials, is there is a high res version of it or a vector version I can scale up ? My videos are HD so I would prefer it if it was something that I can use as big size. >>> maybe http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/Pharo%20Logo%20SVG/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > >

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

by Hilaire Fernandes

I have to admit Esteban is absolutely right. DrGeo on Android and iPad were very interesting experiences but it is not up to the expect level in term of user experience on these devices. Hilaire Le 09/06/2014 20:00, Esteban A. Maringolo a Ã©crit : > Just a comment: > With the exception of something like Dr. Geo which has a complex > custom drawn UI or for games, I wouldn't advice anybody to develop a > "traditional" application using Pharo on Android. > > My company develops native Android apps (backed with Pharo servers), > and unless the app is rudimentary or you need to run on all devices... > I wouldn't recommend html5 (js and friends) either. The technology > "isn't there" yet (but it's moving forward). > > Regards! > > > > > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2014-06-09 14:25 GMT-03:00 Pablo R. Digonzelli <pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com>: >> Thanks all! >> >> >> Ing. Pablo Digonzelli >> Software Solutions >> IP-Solutiones SRL >> Metrotec SRL >> 25 de Mayo 521 >> Email: pdigonzelli(a)softsargentina.com >> pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com >> Cel: 5493815982714 >> >> ----- Mensaje original ----- >> De: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> >> Para: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> Enviados: Lunes, 9 de Junio 2014 13:27:52 >> Asunto: Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android >> >> I have been using it for DrGeo >> https://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds >> >> Hilaire >> >> Le 09/06/2014 16:50, Pablo R. Digonzelli a Ã©crit : >>> Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android? >>> Time frame ? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> **** >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *Ing. Pablo Digonzelli* >>> Software Solutions >>> IP-Solutiones SRL >>> Metrotec SRL >>> 25 de Mayo 521 >>> Email: pdigonzelli(a)softsargentina.com >>> pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com >>> Cel: 5493815982714 >>> >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu >> iStoa - https://launchpad.net/istoa >> >> >> > > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu iStoa - https://launchpad.net/istoa

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Logo

by Alexandre Bergel

I cannot access it. I have an error. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On 07 Jun 2014, at 18:35, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> That is the old logo. I was also looking for the flat high resolution logo, but I cannot find that one on the files server. >> >> Does anyone know where to find that one? > I have updated > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/Pharo%20Logo%20SVG/ > > >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:37 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> yeap thats what I was looking for , thanks Ben. I tried to google it but nothing came up. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> kilon alios wrote: >> Hi I want to use the pharo logo at the start of each of my video tutorials, is there is a high res version of it or a vector version I can scale up ? My videos are HD so I would prefer it if it was something that I can use as big size. >> maybe http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/Pharo%20Logo%20SVG/ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Logo

by Marcus Denker

On 07 Jun 2014, at 18:35, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > That is the old logo. I was also looking for the flat high resolution logo, but I cannot find that one on the files server. > > Does anyone know where to find that one? I have updated http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/Pharo%20Logo%20SVG/ > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:37 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > yeap thats what I was looking for , thanks Ben. I tried to google it but nothing came up. > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > kilon alios wrote: > Hi I want to use the pharo logo at the start of each of my video tutorials, is there is a high res version of it or a vector version I can scale up ? My videos are HD so I would prefer it if it was something that I can use as big size. > maybe http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/Pharo%20Logo%20SVG/ > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] First pass analysis Re: Build failed in Jenkins: Pillar Â» 40,development,vm #558

by Stephan Eggermont

Uhm, Pharo 4 identifies itself as Pharo 4, not Pharo 3.x. All configurations need updates Stephan

June 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Just a comment: With the exception of something like Dr. Geo which has a complex custom drawn UI or for games, I wouldn't advice anybody to develop a "traditional" application using Pharo on Android. My company develops native Android apps (backed with Pharo servers), and unless the app is rudimentary or you need to run on all devices... I wouldn't recommend html5 (js and friends) either. The technology "isn't there" yet (but it's moving forward). Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-06-09 14:25 GMT-03:00 Pablo R. Digonzelli <pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com>: > Thanks all! > > > Ing. Pablo Digonzelli > Software Solutions > IP-Solutiones SRL > Metrotec SRL > 25 de Mayo 521 > Email: pdigonzelli(a)softsargentina.com > pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com > Cel: 5493815982714 > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> > Para: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Enviados: Lunes, 9 de Junio 2014 13:27:52 > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-dev] vm over android > > I have been using it for DrGeo > https://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds > > Hilaire > > Le 09/06/2014 16:50, Pablo R. Digonzelli a Ã©crit : >> Hi all, i want to know if it is planning develop a vm over android? >> Time frame ? >> >> TIA >> >> **** >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Ing. Pablo Digonzelli* >> Software Solutions >> IP-Solutiones SRL >> Metrotec SRL >> 25 de Mayo 521 >> Email: pdigonzelli(a)softsargentina.com >> pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com >> Cel: 5493815982714 >> > > -- > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > iStoa - https://launchpad.net/istoa > > >

June 9, 2014