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Aug. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

by Norbert Hartl

I'm glad we could get together and settle a few things. And it didn't take long. That is the advantage to meet in person. And the things we decided are a step forward. So thanks, Norbert Am 20.08.2014 um 18:42 schrieb stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > Hi > > what I like with conferences like ESUG is that we can meet other people. We got some great > discussions with Doru and Norbert about logging. And we will unite the two frameworks into a > a variation of Beacon. > > Thinking about it, I clearly overreacted when Doru announced Beacon and I'm clear with it. > I'm not an easy guy from that perspective but I have no problem to try to understand and recognize > other ideas. I think that this is partly the effect of mail communication. > Retrospectively I was so into wanted to remove all > these strings from everywhere that I received Beacon (which at the end was trying to help > defining a cool logger) as a sign that I lost my energy on building SystemLogger. Now > I think that if I would not have built SystemLogger, we would not have got Beacon and our discussions > would have been way poorer. > So we will start to migrate some of the SystemLogger code to Beacon, rename some Beacon class, > and write a new documentation and integrate all that into Pharo. > > Stef >

Aug. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 42e23d: 40177

by Marcus Denker

40177 ----- 13883 RBConfigurableFormatter retain blank lines between statements and comments https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13883 13839 3 tests failing due to #stepGlobal call to Transcript https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13839 13881 Refactoring to PSMCPatchMorph to allow dispatching https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13881 On 22 Aug 2014, at 10:22, GitHub <noreply(a)github.com> wrote: > Branch: refs/heads/4.0 > Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core > Commit: 42e23d3c0e2db5ca1adcf20dec6df3236c076368 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/42e23d3c0e2db5ca1adcf20d… > Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> > Date: 2014-08-22 (Fri, 22 Aug 2014) > > Changed paths: > A AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/class/accessing/retainBlankLinesBeforeComments.st > A AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/class/accessing/retainBlankLinesBeforeComments_.st > M AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/class/initialization/initialize.st > M AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/class/settings/settingsOn_.st > M AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/definition.st > M AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/instance/private-formatting/formatStatementCommentsFor_.st > M HelpSystem-Tests.package/CustomHelpTest.class/instance/testing/testOpenBrowserOnThisHelpType.st > M HelpSystem-Tests.package/WikiStyleHelpTest.class/instance/testing/testOpenBrowserOnThisHelpType.st > A Monticello.package/MCDefinition.class/instance/accessing/definition.st > A NonInteractiveTranscript.package/NonInteractiveTranscript.class/instance/private/stepGlobal.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/README.md > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/class/helper methods/group_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/definition.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/grouping/ensureClassChangeWrapperNamed_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/grouping/group.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/grouping/model_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/grouping/visit_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/initialization/initialize.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitClassDefinition_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitDefaultDefinition_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitMetaclassDefinition_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitMethodDefinition_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitOrganizationDefinition_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitScriptDefinition_.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitTraitDefinition_.st > M Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCPatchMorph.class/instance/accessing/changes.st > A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCPatchMorph.class/instance/initialization/model.st > A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script176.st > A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update40176.st > M ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st > > Log Message: > ----------- > 40177 > > http://files.pharo.org/image/40/40177.zip > >

Aug. 22, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 42e23d: 40177

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Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 42e23d3c0e2db5ca1adcf20dec6df3236c076368 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/42e23d3c0e2db5ca1adcf20d… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-08-22 (Fri, 22 Aug 2014) Changed paths: A AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/class/accessing/retainBlankLinesBeforeComments.st A AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/class/accessing/retainBlankLinesBeforeComments_.st M AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/class/initialization/initialize.st M AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/class/settings/settingsOn_.st M AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/definition.st M AST-Core.package/RBConfigurableFormatter.class/instance/private-formatting/formatStatementCommentsFor_.st M HelpSystem-Tests.package/CustomHelpTest.class/instance/testing/testOpenBrowserOnThisHelpType.st M HelpSystem-Tests.package/WikiStyleHelpTest.class/instance/testing/testOpenBrowserOnThisHelpType.st A Monticello.package/MCDefinition.class/instance/accessing/definition.st A NonInteractiveTranscript.package/NonInteractiveTranscript.class/instance/private/stepGlobal.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/README.md A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/class/helper methods/group_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/definition.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/grouping/ensureClassChangeWrapperNamed_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/grouping/group.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/grouping/model_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/grouping/visit_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/initialization/initialize.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitClassDefinition_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitDefaultDefinition_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitMetaclassDefinition_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitMethodDefinition_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitOrganizationDefinition_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitScriptDefinition_.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCChangesGrouper.class/instance/visitor/visitTraitDefinition_.st M Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCPatchMorph.class/instance/accessing/changes.st A Polymorph-Tools-Diff.package/PSMCPatchMorph.class/instance/initialization/model.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script176.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update40176.st M ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 40177 http://files.pharo.org/image/40/40177.zip

Aug. 22, 2014

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Aug. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

by phil＠highoctane.be

It is exciting to be here indeed. At the same time, it is not always that reassuring :-) Phil On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:42 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > It just hit me now: "Pharo is yours" is not a statement that only the >> Pharo board makes. It's a statement that everyone of us should make because >> it gets the ego out of the equation (you have no idea how hard that is for >> me :)). I think we are actually doing that. This is probably the primary >> reason why it is so exciting to be here. >> > I never thought carefully about this angle but this is really true from > day one. > > Stef > >

Aug. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

by stepharo

> It just hit me now: "Pharo is yours" is not a statement that only the > Pharo board makes. It's a statement that everyone of us should make > because it gets the ego out of the equation (you have no idea how hard > that is for me :)). I think we are actually doing that. This is > probably the primary reason why it is so exciting to be here. I never thought carefully about this angle but this is really true from day one. Stef

Aug. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beacon and SystemLogger united

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Thanks for this message. We are all humans here and feelings do play an important role. And, indeed, mail does not help much to alleviate the problem. But, the cool thing about this community is that even if our opinions diverge significantly, in the long run we find ways to bring them together. Things in our community move at such a pace that it is sometimes hard to stop and take the other point of view into account. It happened to me as well, and I believe it happens to everyone. That is a natural consequence of growth. But, as long as we focus on the long term, eventually ideas win in spite of immediate reactions. It just hit me now: "Pharo is yours" is not a statement that only the Pharo board makes. It's a statement that everyone of us should make because it gets the ego out of the equation (you have no idea how hard that is for me :)). I think we are actually doing that. This is probably the primary reason why it is so exciting to be here. Enough said. Let's get back to creating the future. Everything else is just details :). Cheers, Doru On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:09 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > :) > > Some guys like me and (camillo) for example are more in straight line > thinking but you are so right. > > Stef > > > On 20/8/14 18:53, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > >> stepharo wrote >> >>> I received Beacon (which at the end was trying to help defining a cool >>> logger) as a sign that I lost my energy on building SystemLogger. Now I >>> think that if I would not have built SystemLogger, we would not have got >>> Beacon and our discussions would have been way poorer. >>> >> This is real wisdom. I too struggle with what appears to be duplication of >> efforts, but I'm reminded of two related themes which Alan Kay talks >> about a >> lot: >> - evolution is closer to a random walk with a slight bias than a straight >> line >> - in biology, what often appears in human illustration/simulation as >> components interacting in lock-step as if on a track is actually >> fortuitous, >> made possible by the tremendous speed and energy of everything going on in >> the cell >> >> So, as you discovered, and I need to be repeatedly reminded of, there is >> no >> perfect world where the stars align and each piece moves with speed and >> precision into its predestined place in the whole. There is only a sloppy, >> often frustrating, two-steps-forward-one-step-back frenzy where what >> comes >> out on the other side is hopefully better than what we started with. Said >> more simply: "this is what winning looks like" >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Beacon- >> and-SystemLogger-united-tp4773973p4773975.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Looking for suggestions for extended Pharo/Smalltalk intro demo

by stepharo

Oscar have a look at my DSL chapter (in PFTE) https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/724/artifa… and video http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/Videos/2013-04-20-Dice-v3.mov it shows tests class extensions loops DSL I use it for my lectures and it was fun to do live. In Lviv the other students explained to my black jack on the fly and I You can build it live and after you have the exercises that they can do. Look into the git repo because you get the exercises in skeleton mode. So they have to build step by step the exercises On 20/8/14 16:07, Oscar Nierstrasz (gmail) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I will be teaching a Software Design and Evolution course this Fall in which we use a lot of Smalltalk. For the introduction to Smalltalk lecture I wanted to give an extended demo with some slides in between rather than mainly showing slideware. > > Does anyone have a good recommendation for an application to build with the students while showing off most of the important features of the language and the environment? Ideally something you have used before in precisely this way. > > Some things I have used in the past: > - Post Office example (small and boring) > - Snakes and Ladders (a bit too big) > > Thanks for suggestions. > > Oscar >

Aug. 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Transcript class allInstances does not list all instances

by stepharo

When we use an object and not a model the dependents are stored in a global dictionary or structure and our goal is to remove it :) Stef On 21/8/14 09:57, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > > 2014-08-21 9:44 GMT+02:00 phil(a)highoctane.be > <mailto:phil@highoctane.be> <phil(a)highoctane.be > <mailto:phil@highoctane.be>>: > > I had a look at dependents. > > I see code in Object and Model which looks like quite close. > > And also the comment in Model says: Provides a superclass for > classes that function as models. The only behavior provided is > fast dependents maintenance, which bypasses the generic > DependentsFields mechanism. 1/23/96 sw > > Is there a place where I can read more about that and/or can > someone provide a quick explanation? > > > From memory and use of other smalltalks (VisualWorks): Model provides > an instance variable for storing dependents (which are then non-weak), > Object instances use a global, weak array. > > At least, this is how I use them. > > I allways have worries about discarding objects with dependencies > (Morphs, models) and creating memory leaks that way. > > Thierry > > > TIA > Phil > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Oscar Nierstrasz > <oscar.nierstrasz(a)gmail.com <mailto:oscar.nierstrasz@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Right. I should have realized that. > > I was looking for a replacement for: > > Transcript closeAllViews > > which has disappeared in Pharo 3.0. So this seems to work: > > (Transcript dependents select: #isSystemWindow) do: #close > > Thanks, > Oscar > > On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:59 , Camille Teruel > <camille.teruel(a)gmail.com <mailto:camille.teruel@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Hi Oscar, > > > > It's because Transcript is only one instance of > ThreadSafeTranscript. > > 'Transcript open' doesn't create a new instance but opens a > new window on that instance. > > > > Camille > > > > On 20 aoÃ»t 2014, at 17:30, Oscar Nierstrasz (gmail) > <oscar.nierstrasz(a)gmail.com > <mailto:oscar.nierstrasz@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >> > >> In the latest Pharo 3 for Mac: > >> > >> Transcript open. > >> Transcript open. > >> Transcript class allInstances inspect > >> > >> only shows one instance, not two. > >> > >> Why? > >> > >> Oscar > >> > > > > > > > >

Aug. 21, 2014