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Re: [Pharo-dev] showing decompiled code in the browser (was "Nautilus roadmap / icons")

by Stephan Eggermont

Nicolai wrote: >My main concern is, cleaning up the code. >I don't want to change the functionality or appearance. But some users suggest >to remove the icons and history. I would, if possible change this to a plugin. >But if that does not work (history panel). I would keep it. Changing the appearance is essential. We need real improvements in usability and learnability. Nautilus has done a number of experiments. Some worked well, others didn't. We shouldn't be afraid to remove the ones that don't work well, and try different ones. There is code available to make the icons a plugin that was never integrated. (Issue 13167) What is the idea behind the lock icon? Stephan

Sept. 26, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/40259 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Sept. 26, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core] d49400: 40259

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Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: d49400b397d615afce1a5e612ffa77b909e50614 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/d49400b397d615afce1a5e61… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-09-26 (Fri, 26 Sep 2014) Changed paths: M Kernel.package/ProtocolRemovalException.class/definition.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/ci/decodeFromPrint_.st M ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/ci/newGenerateNewUpdateMethodSilentlyConfigurations_preLoad_postLoad_.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script259.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update40259.st M ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 40259 14076 Move ProtocolRemovalException to Kernel-Exceptions https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14076 http://files.pharo.org/image/40/40259.zip

Sept. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Windows not interactive

by Ben Coman

Natalia Tymchuk wrote: > Hi. > I got the situation when all my windows are not interactive and when I click somewhere on windows and tabs the world menu appears. However I can open new window and work with it. > What should I do in this situation? > Best regards, > Natalia > > This happened to me once a looong time ago. Sorry I can't remember what I did. Maybe I threw the image away. You might want to do.... "World inspect" and browse its submorphs. Are the frozen windows there? cheers -ben

Sept. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Review: 11536] Add Stream >> printString:

by Max Leske

On 20.09.2014, at 03:02, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2014-09-19 20:59 GMT-03:00 Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> This issue was more of a discussion between Camillo and Sven. They never >>> reached a conclusion, so please take a look. Iâve compiled the transcript >>> below. >>> >>> The issue isnât easy to solve and maybe we can just close it as ânot >>> importantâ. >> >> >> +1. But isn't the selector printString: broken? > > > The selector sounds broken to me too. > > I always bring Dolphin to the discussion, but Dolphin streams had both > #print:/#display: > > WriteStream>>#print: anObject > anObject printOn: aStream. > > WriteStream>>#display: anObject > anObject displayOn: aStream. > > But those are for printing/displaying the argument on the stream, > which is not exactly the same as sending #asString and then then > appending the result to receiver. So Eliot's #printAsString: seems to > be the most intention revealing selector for such task. Ok, so how about adding WriteStream>>printAsString:? Implementation: printAsString: anObject self nextPutAll: anObject asString Cheers, Max > > Regards! >

Sept. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Interesting Date/Time Thread on Squeak Dev

by Max Leske

Iâve taken a quick look at the implementation. Itâs not strategy based but it would be easy enough for a user to add extensions (e.g. #fiscalYear) that have the same effect. Apart from that, I think it would make more sense to inlclude the work that is being done for Squeak (including GenericMonth etc.) instead of using a similar but incompatible solution, which only addresses the problem of year duration anyway. Thereâs also the issue with the change of the âsecondsâ variable to use floats instead on integers. Since issue 13229 isnât my issue anyway and Carlo doesnât seem to be active anymore I vote for closing the issue and for possibly adopting the Squeak implementation in the future. I will cose the issue now, if somebody objects, feel free to reopen it. Cheers, Max On 24.09.2014, at 12:42, Mark Bestley <st(a)bestley.co.uk> wrote: > On 23/09/2014 08:48, Max Leske wrote: >> >> On 19.09.2014, at 19:14, Mark Bestley <st(a)bestley.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 19/09/2014 13:48, Max Leske wrote: >>>> Ok, so I read Chrisâ e-mail and Iâm intrigued. >>>> >>>> Sven, youâre still right about financial months being 30 days for instance but the thing is that the current implementation seems broken (or inconsisten at least) and doesnât honor that case either. *Not* making the change will not help us eitherâ¦ >>>> >>>> So Iâd say: letâs do it. If somebody objects (or proposes a change) then we can handle that but at least we can claim that we try to give the users what we preach, like writing natural language like code (e.g. âx + 1 monthâ which is currently not possible). >>>> >>>> Thatâs my view at least. Also: weâre changing so much stuff in Pharo anyway all the time, I donât think this would hurt. >>>> >>> >>> That comment re 30 day months in financial is not totally correct. >>> >>> A common reason for calculating days in a financial calculation is for interest calculation and then you don't just need a number for the day difference but also for the number of days in a year. When I did this I think I had to support many ways of calculating the fraction of a year that was the difference between two dates depending on the interest basis (ie the contract terms) , Wikipedia gives 11 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_count_convention> >>> >>> >>> So I think that adding a financial number of days into a basic date object does not make sense as it will not be correct in many cases. The best way I have seen is to pass a daycount basis strategy class into the calculation and that strategy object does the calculation. >> >> I like the idea of using strategies. Although some might argue that such a change would unnecessarily bloat the code, strategies would give us the ability to define our âstandardâ calculation in a central place while enabling everyone to use their custom calculations. >> > > It does not bloat the normal code - makes it smaller.You only need the extra code if you need the extra financial calculations which most users won't. Also it is not a unnecessary increase in code as if you neded the calculations then you need the extra complexity > > > > -- > Mark

Sept. 26, 2014

Copy class needs more information to do a good job

by Stephan Eggermont

Copy class needs more information to do a good job At the moment, the copy class command only asks for the name of the new class. That is not enough information. There have been a number of issues posted about copying (or not) of the class comment, Issue 13247, 10039, 12294 and 12265. Other information that can be helpful is the package where the new class should be. I nearly never need a copy in the package where the original was. Cheers, Stephan https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14084

Sept. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] showing decompiled code in the browser (was "Nautilus roadmap / icons")

by Henrik Johansen

On 26 Sep 2014, at 9:08 , Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 26 Sep 2014, at 09:04, Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org> wrote: > >> >> Hi Marcus-- >> >>> Honestly, I do not get why [showing decompiled code in the browser] >>> was useful, ever. >> >> Some of my debugging sessions require using the virtual machine >> simulator. I find browser-presented decompilation useful for finding my >> place in a method I'm running that way. It's also useful for learning >> about how the compiler and virtual machine work. > > so is a good functionality for putting in plugin, not a standard feature of nautilus: if working with vm simulator, if debugging it, ifâ¦ > > Esteban I've also found it useful when doing optimization work on normal code. If you're not entirely certain what the compiler is capable of, it helps you determine things like wether temps are automatically moved to the smallest enclosing scope, whether a certain function gets inlined, etc. I imagine with Sista, it becomes an even more essential tool for checking what the compiler actually produces. Building and debugging something like that without a decompiler also seems like a whole lot of pain... Cheers, Henry

Sept. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Windows not interactive

by S Krish

Little more context and details of your image and custom code will be required to give the advice. Typically in Smalltalk it is advisable not to save the image with lots of execution of your custom code, external call out done and then work with it through many days, unless you are an expert enough to know your save is save. This may create situation leading to unstable behaviour including UI or other areas. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Natalia Tymchuk < natalia.tymchuk(a)unikernel.net> wrote: > Hi. > I got the situation when all my windows are not interactive and when I > click somewhere on windows and tabs the world menu appears. However I can > open new window and work with it. > What should I do in this situation? > Best regards, > Natalia >

Sept. 26, 2014

Windows not interactive

by Natalia Tymchuk

Hi. I got the situation when all my windows are not interactive and when I click somewhere on windows and tabs the world menu appears. However I can open new window and work with it. What should I do in this situation? Best regards, Natalia

Sept. 26, 2014