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Run Spur run!!

by Max Leske

For those of you who missed this on IRC: henriksp: estebanlm: Care to run a small bench Cog vs Spur for me? [3:32pm] henriksp: int := ZnUTF8Encoder new. [3:32pm] henriksp: [int decodeBytes:#[67 97 115 104 44 32 108 105 107 101 32 226 130 172 44 32 105 115 32 107 105 110 103 0]] bench. [3:32pm] henriksp: had a 16x speedup with assembly implementation vs Cog, if it's 8x vs Spur, that's just really impressive [3:44pm] Craig left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving.) [3:53pm] Craig joined the chat room. [4:08pm] VitamineD joined the chat room. [4:20pm] estebanlm: checking [4:21pm] estebanlm: Cog: 167,000 per second. [4:22pm] estebanlm: Cog[Spur]: 289,000 per second. [4:23pm] estebanlm: henriksp: ping [4:33pm] tinchodias left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [4:33pm] tinchodias joined the chat room. [4:34pm] henriksp: 70% more work done, nice! [5:09pm] Yay! :)

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] .source file

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 23 Oct 2014, at 16:55, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > Have you tried using two fake empty files ? > If you are sure they are not used, that should work, right ? I just tried and it works. I removed the .changes file and replaced the .source file by a file containing just the word empty (a totally empty file does not seem to work). Then the 4.0 image starts up and works OK (I only tried command line), it created an empty .changes. Even decompilation works ! $ ./pharo Pharo.image eval '(ZnClient>>#execute) sourceCode' 'execute | t1 | self prepareRequest. self withProgressDo: [ t1 := self executeWithTimeout ]. self prepareNextRequest. ^ t1' Cool ! HTH, Sven > Or you could try hacking SourceFileArray>>#ensureOpen

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Clickable class side example and initialize methods in Pharo 4.0

by Sean P. DeNigris

> I guess so, although I am not really sure what I am looking at - but it > seems very cool. kilon.alios wrote > What the hell is that, looks very interesting !!!! Ha ha, yeah I guess a bit of context would help ;) It's a prototype I've been working on that combines some of (IMHO) the best IDE ideas of various systems. That particular one shows Self Outliners (the Morphs on the left of the connector). By pressing $M when an outliner has the focus, you get a "Message Menu" of Scratch-like interactive tiles for all the messages it understands. You can click on the unary messages or type expressions for the ones taking arguments (actually just realized that the binary ones don't work so just keyword messages right now). When the message is sent, a new Self Outliner open(s)InHand on the result. It's a WIP, but if you want to play, start with: 1. Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'SeanDeNigris' project: 'SeansPlayground'; configurationOf: 'LivingCode'; load. "Strangely I can not #loadDevelopment here because the ScrollableWorldMorph package doesn't get loaded, even though it does with the next line" #ConfigurationOfLivingCode asClass project development load. #SelfWorld asClass open. 2. Then in the search bar, type an evaluatable expression, e.g. "1" and accept 3. Drop the Outliner from the hand into the Self World 4. For fun, click the world background and drag. OMG, you have an infinite world 5. Click on the M button in the outliner and the message menu will appear (erroneously in the World instead of the Self World). 6. Expand e.g. the "bit manipulation" protocol (assuming you started with "1" as above) 7. Click into the text field to the right of bitAnd: and accept the text A new Outliner of the result will appear in the hand Other buttons on the Outliner: B - open a nautilus on the class of the object I - traditional inspector S - open the test class if it exists (I call them Specification(s) in my personal work) E - Evaluator (very close to Self) Also, if you click on the icons to the right of "class" and "package" Outliner(s) will appear on those objects. That's pretty much it for now. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Clickable-class-side-example-and-initialize-methods-i… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Clickable class side example and initialize methods in Pharo 4.0

by kilon alios

What the hell is that, looks very interesting !!!! More information please :) On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Sean P. DeNigris wrote > > http://youtu.be/vsCz7UKLqLo?list=PLn0YRc8Nw9kvQiLg82JBuI5sDRYXfEDu2 > (skip > > to 0:40). > > Oh cool, you can link to a specific start time in youtube... > http://youtu.be/vsCz7UKLqLo?list=PLn0YRc8Nw9kvQiLg82JBuI5sDRYXfEDu2&t=0m40s > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Clickable-class-side-example-and-initialize-methods-i… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] .source file

by Esteban A. Maringolo

I've been hit by that "cannot find some file" error before. No option other than close Pharo and restart it (without saving). Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-10-23 11:38 GMT-03:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > For information, a iStoa user reported to me this problem, related to a > Pharo regression I already discussed about here > https://bugs.launchpad.net/istoa/+bug/1384649 > > I see this related bug report: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10464/Always-warn-when-sources-or-changes… > > So what is the plan regarding source code, will we be forced to ship it. > It is untrue disk space is cheap, especially for desktop or tablet > application. > > Hilaire > > -- > Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu > iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu > >

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Clickable class side example and initialize methods in Pharo 4.0

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 23 Oct 2014, at 17:34, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Sean P. DeNigris wrote >> http://youtu.be/vsCz7UKLqLo?list=PLn0YRc8Nw9kvQiLg82JBuI5sDRYXfEDu2 (skip >> to 0:40). > > Oh cool, you can link to a specific start time in youtube... > http://youtu.be/vsCz7UKLqLo?list=PLn0YRc8Nw9kvQiLg82JBuI5sDRYXfEDu2&t=0m40s I guess so, although I am not really sure what I am looking at - but it seems very cool.

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Microframeworks was: Re: Thank you so much for Pharo 3.0

by Thierry Goubier

2014-10-23 17:36 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)gmail.com>: > > > > > > On Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:27 pm, Sean P. DeNigris < > sean(a)clipperadams.com>, wrote: > >> Thierry Goubier wrote >> > Once you >> > generate automatically, it's easy to hit them :P >> >> Besides the hard limits IIRC I also ran into weird unexpected issues like >> really long methods slowing Nautilus down to a crawl. > > > This is a problem of the TextEditor... The Rubric editor code that is now in > the system > that GTInspector uses does not have this problem, it can edit multi-MB > files with no problem. > Cool. I'll have a look to integrate that. Thierry > > Marcus >

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Microframeworks was: Re: Thank you so much for Pharo 3.0

by Thierry Goubier

2014-10-23 17:24 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > Thierry Goubier wrote > > Once you > > generate automatically, it's easy to hit them :P > > Besides the hard limits IIRC I also ran into weird unexpected issues like > really long methods slowing Nautilus down to a crawl. It's the styler. I hit that regularly on my home machine. You have that delay when you type something and you wait for the few seconds necessary for the styler to update the coloring :( > Is there a library > that can effectively take source code and break it up into a reasonable set > of methods to avoid these issues? I think this could also be useful in a > lot > of places e.g. STON. I've been using a trick to distribute "data" which > changes often in development but is read-only when deployed; I work with > the > live model and serialize to method source (like we do with icons I guess). > I've had to use different strategies e.g. I favor STON but when porting to > Amber, there is no STON, so I serialize to source code. > Well, I've written something but: - I only tried and tested with the code that SmaCC generates - It still makes long methods (900 nodes is a long method) It could become a library, but it requires a significant amount of work. In the general case, writing something which knows, without errors, than a subset of a method can be moved in another method and replaced by a message send is not that easy. The reverse is easier (i.e., inlining :)). Thierry > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Microframeworks-was-Re-Thank-you-so-much-for-Pharo-3-… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Microframeworks was: Re: Thank you so much for Pharo 3.0

by Marcus Denker

On Thursday, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:27 pm, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>, wrote: Thierry Goubier wrote > Once you > generate automatically, it's easy to hit them :P Besides the hard limits IIRC I also ran into weird unexpected issues like really long methods slowing Nautilus down to a crawl. This is a problem of the TextEditorâ¦ The Rubric editor code that is now in the system that GTInspector uses does not have this problem, it can edit multi-MB files with no problem. Â Â Marcus

Oct. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Clickable class side example and initialize methods in Pharo 4.0

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sean P. DeNigris wrote > http://youtu.be/vsCz7UKLqLo?list=PLn0YRc8Nw9kvQiLg82JBuI5sDRYXfEDu2 (skip > to 0:40). Oh cool, you can link to a specific start time in youtube... http://youtu.be/vsCz7UKLqLo?list=PLn0YRc8Nw9kvQiLg82JBuI5sDRYXfEDu2&t=0m40s ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Clickable-class-side-example-and-initialize-methods-i… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 23, 2014