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Re: [Pharo-dev] About launching tools with Spotter

by Guillermo Polito

Hi! On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Actually, the thing is that I would search for 'o b' as a shortcut :). For > the system browser I search for 'm b'. > Well... even in the operating system, I search by name mostly. When I want chrome I type "chro". I do not type "web browser google". So if I want monticello browser, I'd expect that typing "monti" would do the thing ;) > > But, indeed, it seems that people prefer to have the applications on top > and the rest of the things below. So, a quick fix for this problem is to > make the Menu category come before the classes. > Oh yes please! I tried the spotter today and I had to scroll to the bottom to have a workspace. > > Also, if you want to restrict the search to only a category, you can > select an item in that category and press Cmd+Shift+RightArrow. > > Do any of these make sense for you? > > In the future, we will also try to build a more sophisticated mechanism to > get to a category faster. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:17 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> Doru >> >> how can I launch a MC browser with Spotter. >> How can I access menu items from the search (because some I do not see >> them). >> >> I mean when I type Monticello..... it does not work well >> May be having some shortcut >> MC >> or the key binding of the menu >> >> >> Stef >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Short AltBrowser end-user test

by Thierry Goubier

2014-12-10 16:17 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > > On 10 Dec 2014, at 10:57, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I setup a small experiment for a group of students, when teaching them a > lab about process networks programming with Pharo and Roassal. Students > were some used to Smalltalk (VisualWorks), some with no knowledge of > Smalltalk, level is M2. > > > > I changed the default Browser to AltBrowser instead of > PackageTreeNautilus. I gave no explanation about how to use it. Students > had a four hours lab, and are supposed to hand out a package with a few > methods containing scripts. I showed them how to save a pre-existing > package. > > > > - There was no question at all about the browser. And when asked, they > felt there was no need for explanations on it. > > > > - They are not using it the way I expected (and the way I designed it > for). They were using it like an 'eclipse' type of IDE (a single, very > large window showing both the list of examples and the place they were > working on). > > I don't know why are you so surprised... eclipse is what they know, so > obviously they will use it like it :P > In hindsight, it is obvious. But I haven't used Eclipse for ages :) Never, really. It got me thinking, still. I'm not sure they understood that it behaved like one method / one file. And not a single file contains many methods and you can edit in multiple places before saving the whole. Thierry

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spotter feedback

by Tudor Girba

Hi Kilon, I am happy you like it. Indeed, we also see it as having lots of potential for usage in all sorts of places. Cheers, Doru On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:36 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This tool is too awesome cant thank you enough guys. I was looking into > implementing something like this , I see a lot of potential inside this > tool to finally unify the whole GUI of pharo and all tools. Now I can base > my work on this :) > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Stef, >> >> It's not a bug it's a "feature" :) >> Actually history is not fully implemented - nice presentation of the item >> is not done yet, but we are working. >> >> Cheers, >> Alex >> On Dec 10, 2014 4:19 PM, "stepharo" <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >>> cooooooooooooooooooooool >>> >>> Now when I select a menu (by scrolling down) I get that in my history. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spotter feedback

by Tudor Girba

Indeed. As Alex is saying, we are missing a couple of things, but this particular issue is the first on our to do list :) Doru On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > It's not a bug it's a "feature" :) > Actually history is not fully implemented - nice presentation of the item > is not done yet, but we are working. > > Cheers, > Alex > On Dec 10, 2014 4:19 PM, "stepharo" <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> cooooooooooooooooooooool >> >> Now when I select a menu (by scrolling down) I get that in my history. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] About launching tools with Spotter

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Actually, the thing is that I would search for 'o b' as a shortcut :). For the system browser I search for 'm b'. But, indeed, it seems that people prefer to have the applications on top and the rest of the things below. So, a quick fix for this problem is to make the Menu category come before the classes. Also, if you want to restrict the search to only a category, you can select an item in that category and press Cmd+Shift+RightArrow. Do any of these make sense for you? In the future, we will also try to build a more sophisticated mechanism to get to a category faster. Cheers, Doru On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:17 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Doru > > how can I launch a MC browser with Spotter. > How can I access menu items from the search (because some I do not see > them). > > I mean when I type Monticello..... it does not work well > May be having some shortcut > MC > or the key binding of the menu > > > Stef > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is GTSpotter theme-aware ?

by Tudor Girba

It is. Read my mail :). Doru On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > it doesnât need to be made for every theme around, just âtheme awareâ, > which means do not use hardcoded values but the ones defined in the themes. > > Esteban > > On 10 Dec 2014, at 16:47, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > For now testing Spotter for every existing theme is not on the first place > in our TODO list. But Spotter uses themer mechanism, so anyone can > customize it :) > > Cheers, > Alex > On Dec 10, 2014 4:42 PM, "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> Is GTSpotter theme-aware ? >> >> It does not seem to use the Dark Theme: >> >> <Screen Shot 2014-12-10 at 16.40.23.png> >> >> Sven >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is GTSpotter theme-aware ?

by Esteban Lorenzano

it doesnât need to be made for every theme around, just âtheme awareâ, which means do not use hardcoded values but the ones defined in the themes. Esteban > On 10 Dec 2014, at 16:47, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > For now testing Spotter for every existing theme is not on the first place in our TODO list. But Spotter uses themer mechanism, so anyone can customize it :) > > Cheers, > Alex > > On Dec 10, 2014 4:42 PM, "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <sven(a)stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > Is GTSpotter theme-aware ? > > It does not seem to use the Dark Theme: > > <Screen Shot 2014-12-10 at 16.40.23.png> > > Sven

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is GTSpotter theme-aware ?

by Tudor Girba

It was made to be themeable, but there is only one theme implemented. In fact, this is the first tool that is based completely on the pattern I described previously: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/a-pharo-refactoring-story-adding-them… The theming is done in GTSpotterWidgetThemer. To contextualize it for the DarkTheme one would need to: - Subclass GTSpotterWidgetThemer - Override UITheme>>spotterWidgetThemer ^ GTSpotterWidgetThemer new Like this, UITheme becomes a composite of concrete independent themer objects and can be more manageable. Doru On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Is GTSpotter theme-aware ? > > It does not seem to use the Dark Theme: > > > Sven > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Is GTSpotter theme-aware ?

by Aliaksei Syrel

Hi, For now testing Spotter for every existing theme is not on the first place in our TODO list. But Spotter uses themer mechanism, so anyone can customize it :) Cheers, Alex On Dec 10, 2014 4:42 PM, "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Is GTSpotter theme-aware ? > > It does not seem to use the Dark Theme: > > > Sven >

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Find message name /implementors in Spotter

by Tudor Girba

Yes. I was too lazy. It's committed now. Thanks, Doru On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > Currently, spotter finds only messages with the exact name. > for example: > addStep > finds no implementors althought the method > addStep: > > exists. > > > > suggestion for spotterImplementorsFor: > > > spotterImplementorsFor: aStep > <spotterOrder: 30> > | processor | > processor := aStep listProcessor. > processor > title: 'Implementors'; > filter: [ :originalQuery :stream | > | aCollection query | > aCollection := OrderedCollection new. > query := originalQuery trimBoth. > SystemNavigation default allBehaviorsDo: [:class | > class selectorsDo:[:selector | > (selector includesSubstring: query) > ifTrue: [ > | method | > method := class>>selector. > aCollection add: method. > aCollection size > 5 ifFalse: [ > stream addObject: method inProcessor: > processor ]]]]. > aCollection ]. > ^ processor > > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 10, 2014