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Re: [Pharo-dev] Glamour-core maybe missing from Pharo40/main

by stepharo

Yes, seemingly we lost again the repos of external packages... this is a bug, something in the integraton process resets the reopsitories. >> >> Yes because else we can have dangling refs (you remember the mess in >> Squeak3.9). >> Now this is why we should have package metadata in the image because >> we could just reset the repo to their package. > > I thought that one of the main ideas of versioning systems was that > you keep all the important history things on the server. This has nothing to do with that. let us stop talking in the air.

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Sebastian Sastre

So the idea is to be a rallying point for every Smalltalk fan with a bias towards presenting a map to newcomers What do you think that would make a good map? > On Dec 27, 2014, at 12:00 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > As I said, Smalltalk Renaissance is a rallying point for every fan of the > language. However, coordinating with disparate groups would diffuse my time > and energy. I believe it's better to have a fresh start that everybody can > participate in and contribute to. As curator and editor of Smalltalk > Renaissance, I can pick from the best and keep the campaign more focussed. > There is so much "stuff" in the Smalltalk landscape that it's overwhelming > and confusing to newcomers. *It made my head spin, which is what inspired me > to start this endeavour.* As I mentioned, I want to try something new and > different. Past efforts failed and they have a kind of "staleness" to them. > I want to jettison all unnecessary baggage. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797142.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

As I said, Smalltalk Renaissance is a rallying point for every fan of the language. However, coordinating with disparate groups would diffuse my time and energy. I believe it's better to have a fresh start that everybody can participate in and contribute to. As curator and editor of Smalltalk Renaissance, I can pick from the best and keep the campaign more focussed. There is so much "stuff" in the Smalltalk landscape that it's overwhelming and confusing to newcomers. *It made my head spin, which is what inspired me to start this endeavour.* As I mentioned, I want to try something new and different. Past efforts failed and they have a kind of "staleness" to them. I want to jettison all unnecessary baggage. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797142.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

Pharo is mentioned prominently at Smalltalk Renaissance. However, I do not want to give the impression that Smalltalk Renaissance is only about "selling" one particular implementation to the public. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797141.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

My name is Richard Eng and I'm a retired software engineer. I've been in IT for over 30 years. I've worked with FORTRAN, Tandem TAL, C/C++/C#/Objective-C, Java, Python, and Smalltalk in a variety of different problem domains ranging from real-time and telecommunications to database and financial to video graphics. I was Project Team Leader of the NT Driver Group at ATI Technologies (now AMD). I'm also a burgeoning writer. You can see my portfolio here <https://medium.com/@richardeng/latest> at Medium.com. Pay particular attention to the articles on Go web frameworks, Beego tutorial, web2py, programming languages, and the future of Dart which have garnered the most readership. I wrote an "advanced" tutorial for Go and Beego in order to help boost Beego's profile: " A Word from The Beegoist <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-word-from-the-beegoist-d562ff8589d7> ". I am currently working on a similar article to help boost Amber's profile. My audience is anyone and everyone who is, or might be, interested in Smalltalk. This includes decision makers from the enterprise and IT journalists and software developers who are stuck in the Stone Age of file-based, emacs-based programming. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797140.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by S Krish

What about joining up with Smalltalk Foundation , STIC and ESUG .. Though laudable an initiative in whatever form you launch it. Just may give it a better thrust if there is joining of hands. Smalltalk has not in the past gained with multiple directions / efforts. Pull all efforts in as much as possible single basket. Thanks and best wishes in the endeavour. On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Do a search for Smalltalk resources, such as books, videos, tutorials, > blogs, > etc., and you will face a virtual avalanche of material. This can be > overwhelming for Smalltalk newcomers to filter. > > Submit your favourite Smalltalk resources and I shall curate them and > choose > the best ones to place on our Resources page: > > http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/resources/ > <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/resources/> > > Thanks. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797114.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Sebastian Sastre

And to inspire all, this talk from Bret Victor is addressing the humane aspect in a very effective way http://vimeo.com/115154289 I have the impression that Smalltalk would score high in a humane medium of expression evaluation ... and if our UI/UX would be seriously improved lead by designers, not engineers, then Smalltalk could skyrocket its score in humane expression of computing. LISP, and Clojure and Haskell are great but they will always have a high entry barrier due to taste acquisition of algebra as requisite. Smalltalk amazingly, eased that barrier while potentially allowing you the same computing power. So what if?... What if we partner with a design university that embraces this spirit (which is very friendly to them but they don't know)? What I see is that if we do that, we might have a chance to achieve the best path that Bret proposes in his talk. my 2 cents from mobile > On 27/12/2014, at 03:03, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I've launched a PR campaign to promote and advance the use of Smalltalk (and > Amber): > > http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/ > <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/> > > I am seeking the support of the Smalltalk community. > > My intention is to make Smalltalk Renaissance /a rallying point/ around > which everyone can gather and contribute to this campaign. Over the coming > weeks and months, I shall outline my plan (which is still evolving). > > There have been many prior attempts to popularize Smalltalk. None have had > any traction. Despite the best efforts of the Smalltalk community, today > Smalltalk has become a largely forgotten language. (Smalltalk has fallen off > the cliff at the TIOBE index, and it ranks poorly at Redmonk and > langpop.corger.nl.) /I am trying something different./ > > Smalltalk Renaissance is a PR campaign. It is trying to /market/ Smalltalk, > not on the exclusive basis of /technical merit/, but also by addressing > criticisms and generating excitement about the future of software > engineering. It is an ambitious campaign, but in this business, if you don't > think *big*, then don't bother wasting your time. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Alexandre Bergel

Many languages I have never heard of are listed. What is missing to make Pharo listed here? Any idea? Cheers, Alexandre > On Dec 27, 2014, at 6:03 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I've launched a PR campaign to promote and advance the use of Smalltalk (and > Amber): > > http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/ > <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/> > > I am seeking the support of the Smalltalk community. > > My intention is to make Smalltalk Renaissance /a rallying point/ around > which everyone can gather and contribute to this campaign. Over the coming > weeks and months, I shall outline my plan (which is still evolving). > > There have been many prior attempts to popularize Smalltalk. None have had > any traction. Despite the best efforts of the Smalltalk community, today > Smalltalk has become a largely forgotten language. (Smalltalk has fallen off > the cliff at the TIOBE index, and it ranks poorly at Redmonk and > langpop.corger.nl.) /I am trying something different./ > > Smalltalk Renaissance is a PR campaign. It is trying to /market/ Smalltalk, > not on the exclusive basis of /technical merit/, but also by addressing > criticisms and generating excitement about the future of software > engineering. It is an ambitious campaign, but in this business, if you don't > think *big*, then don't bother wasting your time. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Hilaire

Nice initiative Mr or Mrs Horrido. The more we talk about Smalltalk in several places the better. Hilaire Le 27/12/2014 06:03, horrido a Ã©crit : > I've launched a PR campaign to promote and advance the use of Smalltalk (and > Amber): > > http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/ > <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/> > > I am seeking the support of the Smalltalk community. > > My intention is to make Smalltalk Renaissance /a rallying point/ around > which everyone can gather and contribute to this campaign. Over the coming > weeks and months, I shall outline my plan (which is still evolving). > > There have been many prior attempts to popularize Smalltalk. None have had > any traction. Despite the best efforts of the Smalltalk community, today > Smalltalk has become a largely forgotten language. (Smalltalk has fallen off > the cliff at the TIOBE index, and it ranks poorly at Redmonk and > langpop.corger.nl.) /I am trying something different./ > > Smalltalk Renaissance is a PR campaign. It is trying to /market/ Smalltalk, > not on the exclusive basis of /technical merit/, but also by addressing > criticisms and generating excitement about the future of software > engineering. It is an ambitious campaign, but in this business, if you don't > think *big*, then don't bother wasting your time. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Craig Latta

Hoi-- Who are you? Who is your audience? thanks, -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

Dec. 27, 2014