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Can MongoTalk execute plan javascript MongoDB queries?

by Sebastian Sastre

Is anybody here using MongoTalk doing some fancy custom queries? Not just with boolean conditions but with regex for example. Iâm interested in being able to execute and get the results of a raw javascript query but I cannot found how to do it. I am missing something?

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

>> Smalltalk organizations have focussed too much on /technical merit/, and >> not >> enough on PR and marketing. > > On making money too. You're saying Smalltalk organizations are too focussed on making money? I've heard that, too. It sounds very odd to me. I thought these organizations were created for the love of the language. Am I too naive? > We market Pharo as a new language because Pharo is cool and we do not have > to carry with us the "old" aspects and fight against the museum syndrome. Then you have failed. Virtually every mention of Pharo on the web is directly linked to Smalltalk. In the public consciousness, there is little or no distinction between Pharo and Smalltalk. Trying to force this distinction, I believe, is a mistake; it's futile. If Pharo is a new language disconnected from Smalltalk, then it loses whatever cachet Smalltalk has. Smalltalk already has a ton of references on the web; it just needs to be cleaned up a bit. Hence, Smalltalk Renaissance. Moreover, we can fight the museum syndrome through branding and education. Smalltalk is already a positive marque; it's renown for its influence in language design, for example. Pharo has to start from scratch in building its brand. It's more challenging. So far, it has ridden on Smalltalk's coattails. Continuing on this path is the smarter move. > ESUG is about the community. Without community then it is terrible. We set > up also a program for teachers. Now in the US there is nearly nobody > teaching smalltalk and this is a pity. Smalltalk Renaissance is also about the community, as I've already explained. Yes, getting Smalltalk into US (and Canadian) schools is vitally important. I haven't yet determined SRP's role in this regard. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797336.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by phil＠highoctane.be

Le 30 dÃ©c. 2014 00:23, "Sebastian Sastre" <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> a Ã©crit : > > Iâm a Smalltalker that is happy when JavaScript and LISP and Phyton and Ruby and Dart gain popularity because it makes my life easier when I have to explain to the next dynamic friendly developer how our workspace, inspector and debugger works and how our library gets navigated so the new guy can fell he can master it by himself easier than other tools (which is a Smalltalk language design intention from day zero, and totally successful at it BTW). > > I can understand that some might feel indifferent at Scala or Java popularity but being "a Pharoerâ and hostile, antagonising or actively indifferent to Smalltalk's popularity and branding efforts is a frank strategic parricide And so we entered the land of Zealots of True Faith (tm). PR is useful. But patronizing what is and what is not leaves me cold. Phil > > > > > >> On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:40 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> From "The City on the Edge of Forever": >> >> KIRK: Then what is it? >> GUARDIAN: *A question.* Since before your sun burned hot in space and before >> your race was born, I have awaited a question. >> KIRK: What are you? >> GUARDIAN: I am the Guardian of Forever. >> KIRK: Are you machine or being? >> GUARDIAN: I am both and neither. I am my own beginning, my own ending. >> >> ----- >> >> Clearly, I need to explain myself in greater detail... >> >> The efforts of organizations such as STIC and ESUG are laudable. >> Nevertheless, they have failed to popularize Smalltalk. Today, *Smalltalk is >> a largely forgotten language*. This can be seen at the TIOBE index where >> Smalltalk has literally fallen off a cliff (it used to be on the top 100 >> list, but has since disappeared). At Redmonk and langpop.corger.nl, >> Smalltalk is somewhere around the 65th position! >> >> Smalltalk does not get much developer attention. It doesn't get talked about >> in the press like Dart and JavaScript and Java do. The language is almost >> never on the minds of CEOs and CTOs, the business decision makers. I believe >> I know why. >> >> Smalltalk organizations have focussed too much on /technical merit/, and not >> enough on PR and marketing. Understandable, since engineers are >> /technically-minded/ and not so much into human behaviour. I think we need >> to treat developers and businessmen like consumers. We need to sell >> Smalltalk to them in the same way we sell iPhones and PlayStations. In other >> words, we need to build /hype/. >> >> Let's face it: at the best of times, the subject of Smalltalk is rather >> staid. STIC and ESUG and the Smalltalk Foundation are not likely to change >> this. *I want Smalltalk Renaissance to change this.* >> >> The Smalltalk Renaissance Program is a highly focussed campaign. Like the >> language itself, I want to Keep It Simple. (That's why I'm trying to keep >> the website clean and free of excess baggage.) >> >> The SRP cannot succeed without /your/ involvement, your participation. I am >> not much more than the curator and editor for Smalltalk Renaissance, >> although I'm also formulating the short-term and long-term strategy. (You >> can call me "Generalissimo" Eng. ;-) ) >> >> One of the things I intend to do is ask members of the Smalltalk community >> to submit /fresh/ essays and articles on Smalltalk. I have a list of essay >> topics prepared, carefully chosen for their relevance and impact on the >> future of Smalltalk. I shall be asking people to pick a topic and run with >> it. If there are multiple submissions for a particular topic, I shall choose >> the best one, edit it, and post it on Smalltalk Renaissance. *I guarantee >> you will look good!* >> >> Make no mistake, this is a critical step. *These essays will address the >> concerns of non-Smalltalk developers.* You need to make compelling >> arguments. >> >> Then we promote these articles and essays on Reddit and Hacker News and so >> on. >> >> In the near future, I will also submit Smalltalk articles to the IT press, >> such as Wired and InfoWorld. These articles may well benefit from /your >> contributions/. >> >> Another important piece of the strategy is to obtain corporate sponsorship. >> If not for Apple, the Swift language would never have gotten so much >> mindshare. If not for Google, Go would've failed to gain a significant >> following. If not for Microsoft, C# would've been forgotten. In today's >> highly competitive programming language field, if you don't have a big name >> backer, you're already behind the eight ball. Grass roots are unlikely to >> succeed. >> >> Getting the imprimatur of a major technology company is a PR coup of >> inestimable value. But it's also vital for another reason. In the longer >> term, I want to launch software projects that improve on the Smalltalk >> technology. Projects such as extending the tooling around the Smalltalk >> environment (which has been criticized for not playing well with existing >> file-based tooling). Projects such as improving interoperability with >> existing (Windows-based) infrastructures in the enterprise (which has been a >> source of criticism from the likes of Robert Martin). These projects must be >> financed because open source volunteerism isn't enough, not by a long shot. >> And this is why we need corporate sponsorship. >> >> Before I make a pitch to a CEO, Smalltalk Renaissance must achieve some >> degree of legitimacy. It can do this by signing up well-known names from the >> Smalltalk community. Names such as the late James Robertson or StÃ©phane >> Ducasse. I already have a draft letter prepared for an important CEO. I'm >> only waiting for a list of SRP signatories before firing off the letter. >> (Hint, hint.) >> >> This is what I've come up with so far in my strategic planning. It's a >> work-in-progress. >> >> As for Pharo, I've downloaded it and played with it briefly. As far as I can >> tell, the IDE is not much different from Squeak. Like I said, the design has >> been tweaked and improved, but I don't see anything groundbreaking. Maybe >> you and I have different ideas of what "groundbreaking" means. >> >> Nevertheless, as another poster indicated, we can leave this for the future. >> For the time being, we need to make Smalltalk, and Pharo in particular, more >> attractive to the Enterprise. I'm sure Pharo is doing this. Kudos. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797313.h… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Sebastian Sastre

Iâm a Smalltalker that is happy when JavaScript and LISP and Phyton and Ruby and Dart gain popularity because it makes my life easier when I have to explain to the next dynamic friendly developer how our workspace, inspector and debugger works and how our library gets navigated so the new guy can fell he can master it by himself easier than other tools (which is a Smalltalk language design intention from day zero, and totally successful at it BTW). I can understand that some might feel indifferent at Scala or Java popularity but being "a Pharoerâ and hostile, antagonising or actively indifferent to Smalltalk's popularity and branding efforts is a frank strategic parricide <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parricide> > On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:40 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > From "The City on the Edge of Forever": > > KIRK: Then what is it? > GUARDIAN: *A question.* Since before your sun burned hot in space and before > your race was born, I have awaited a question. > KIRK: What are you? > GUARDIAN: I am the Guardian of Forever. > KIRK: Are you machine or being? > GUARDIAN: I am both and neither. I am my own beginning, my own ending. > > ----- > > Clearly, I need to explain myself in greater detail... > > The efforts of organizations such as STIC and ESUG are laudable. > Nevertheless, they have failed to popularize Smalltalk. Today, *Smalltalk is > a largely forgotten language*. This can be seen at the TIOBE index where > Smalltalk has literally fallen off a cliff (it used to be on the top 100 > list, but has since disappeared). At Redmonk and langpop.corger.nl, > Smalltalk is somewhere around the 65th position! > > Smalltalk does not get much developer attention. It doesn't get talked about > in the press like Dart and JavaScript and Java do. The language is almost > never on the minds of CEOs and CTOs, the business decision makers. I believe > I know why. > > Smalltalk organizations have focussed too much on /technical merit/, and not > enough on PR and marketing. Understandable, since engineers are > /technically-minded/ and not so much into human behaviour. I think we need > to treat developers and businessmen like consumers. We need to sell > Smalltalk to them in the same way we sell iPhones and PlayStations. In other > words, we need to build /hype/. > > Let's face it: at the best of times, the subject of Smalltalk is rather > staid. STIC and ESUG and the Smalltalk Foundation are not likely to change > this. *I want Smalltalk Renaissance to change this.* > > The Smalltalk Renaissance Program is a highly focussed campaign. Like the > language itself, I want to Keep It Simple. (That's why I'm trying to keep > the website clean and free of excess baggage.) > > The SRP cannot succeed without /your/ involvement, your participation. I am > not much more than the curator and editor for Smalltalk Renaissance, > although I'm also formulating the short-term and long-term strategy. (You > can call me "Generalissimo" Eng. ;-) ) > > One of the things I intend to do is ask members of the Smalltalk community > to submit /fresh/ essays and articles on Smalltalk. I have a list of essay > topics prepared, carefully chosen for their relevance and impact on the > future of Smalltalk. I shall be asking people to pick a topic and run with > it. If there are multiple submissions for a particular topic, I shall choose > the best one, edit it, and post it on Smalltalk Renaissance. *I guarantee > you will look good!* > > Make no mistake, this is a critical step. *These essays will address the > concerns of non-Smalltalk developers.* You need to make compelling > arguments. > > Then we promote these articles and essays on Reddit and Hacker News and so > on. > > In the near future, I will also submit Smalltalk articles to the IT press, > such as Wired and InfoWorld. These articles may well benefit from /your > contributions/. > > Another important piece of the strategy is to obtain corporate sponsorship. > If not for Apple, the Swift language would never have gotten so much > mindshare. If not for Google, Go would've failed to gain a significant > following. If not for Microsoft, C# would've been forgotten. In today's > highly competitive programming language field, if you don't have a big name > backer, you're already behind the eight ball. Grass roots are unlikely to > succeed. > > Getting the imprimatur of a major technology company is a PR coup of > inestimable value. But it's also vital for another reason. In the longer > term, I want to launch software projects that improve on the Smalltalk > technology. Projects such as extending the tooling around the Smalltalk > environment (which has been criticized for not playing well with existing > file-based tooling). Projects such as improving interoperability with > existing (Windows-based) infrastructures in the enterprise (which has been a > source of criticism from the likes of Robert Martin). These projects must be > financed because open source volunteerism isn't enough, not by a long shot. > And this is why we need corporate sponsorship. > > Before I make a pitch to a CEO, Smalltalk Renaissance must achieve some > degree of legitimacy. It can do this by signing up well-known names from the > Smalltalk community. Names such as the late James Robertson or StÃ©phane > Ducasse. I already have a draft letter prepared for an important CEO. I'm > only waiting for a list of SRP signatories before firing off the letter. > (Hint, hint.) > > This is what I've come up with so far in my strategic planning. It's a > work-in-progress. > > As for Pharo, I've downloaded it and played with it briefly. As far as I can > tell, the IDE is not much different from Squeak. Like I said, the design has > been tweaked and improved, but I don't see anything groundbreaking. Maybe > you and I have different ideas of what "groundbreaking" means. > > Nevertheless, as another poster indicated, we can leave this for the future. > For the time being, we need to make Smalltalk, and Pharo in particular, more > attractive to the Enterprise. I'm sure Pharo is doing this. Kudos. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797313.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Jun4Pharo so exciting :)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 29 Dec 2014, at 23:10, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Sven > > Jun is a 3D frameworks developed in 1998 in VisualWorks http://aokilab.kyoto-su.ac.jp/jun/index.html > It was quite advanced and this is nice to get more people doing 3d in Pharo. > They are using the back -end developed by ronie and JB and this is cool > > Athens is just a canvas and a oo decomposition of the canvas, brush and strokes > nothing related to 3D. Ah, OK - more choice, more options is good. > Stef > > > Le 29/12/14 20:20, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : >>> On 29 Dec 2014, at 15:36, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_P5otiWJM&feature=youtu.be >> It certainly looks nice, but what is Jun exactly ? >> >> > >

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by stepharo

Le 29/12/14 20:40, horrido a Ã©crit : > >From "The City on the Edge of Forever": > > KIRK: Then what is it? > GUARDIAN: *A question.* Since before your sun burned hot in space and before > your race was born, I have awaited a question. > KIRK: What are you? > GUARDIAN: I am the Guardian of Forever. > KIRK: Are you machine or being? > GUARDIAN: I am both and neither. I am my own beginning, my own ending. > > ----- > > Clearly, I need to explain myself in greater detail... > > The efforts of organizations such as STIC and ESUG are laudable. > Nevertheless, they have failed to popularize Smalltalk. Today, *Smalltalk is > a largely forgotten language*. This can be seen at the TIOBE index where > Smalltalk has literally fallen off a cliff (it used to be on the top 100 > list, but has since disappeared). At Redmonk and langpop.corger.nl, > Smalltalk is somewhere around the 65th position! So Smalltalk is dead and Pharo alive and kicking. No? > > Smalltalk does not get much developer attention. It doesn't get talked about > in the press like Dart and JavaScript and Java do. The language is almost > never on the minds of CEOs and CTOs, the business decision makers. I believe > I know why. > > Smalltalk organizations have focussed too much on /technical merit/, and not > enough on PR and marketing. On making money too. > Understandable, since engineers are > /technically-minded/ and not so much into human behaviour. I think we need > to treat developers and businessmen like consumers. We need to sell > Smalltalk to them in the same way we sell iPhones and PlayStations. In other > words, we need to build /hype/. We market Pharo as a new language because Pharo is cool and we do not have to carry with us the "old" aspects and fight against the museum syndrom. You can give a try we would prefer to market Pharo as Pharo. > > Let's face it: at the best of times, the subject of Smalltalk is rather > staid. STIC and ESUG and the Smalltalk Foundation are not likely to change > this. *I want Smalltalk Renaissance to change this.* ESUG is about the community. Without community then it is terrible. We set up also a program for teachers. Now in the US there is nearly nobody teaching smalltalk and this is a pity. > The Smalltalk Renaissance Program is a highly focussed campaign. Like the > language itself, I want to Keep It Simple. (That's why I'm trying to keep > the website clean and free of excess baggage.) > > The SRP cannot succeed without /your/ involvement, your participation. I am > not much more than the curator and editor for Smalltalk Renaissance, > although I'm also formulating the short-term and long-term strategy. (You > can call me "Generalissimo" Eng. ;-) ) > > One of the things I intend to do is ask members of the Smalltalk community > to submit /fresh/ essays and articles on Smalltalk. I have a list of essay > topics prepared, carefully chosen for their relevance and impact on the > future of Smalltalk. I shall be asking people to pick a topic and run with > it. If there are multiple submissions for a particular topic, I shall choose > the best one, edit it, and post it on Smalltalk Renaissance. *I guarantee > you will look good!* > > Make no mistake, this is a critical step. *These essays will address the > concerns of non-Smalltalk developers.* You need to make compelling > arguments. > > Then we promote these articles and essays on Reddit and Hacker News and so > on. > > In the near future, I will also submit Smalltalk articles to the IT press, > such as Wired and InfoWorld. These articles may well benefit from /your > contributions/. > > Another important piece of the strategy is to obtain corporate sponsorship. > If not for Apple, the Swift language would never have gotten so much > mindshare. If not for Google, Go would've failed to gain a significant > following. If not for Microsoft, C# would've been forgotten. In today's > highly competitive programming language field, if you don't have a big name > backer, you're already behind the eight ball. Grass roots are unlikely to > succeed. > > Getting the imprimatur of a major technology company is a PR coup of > inestimable value. But it's also vital for another reason. In the longer > term, I want to launch software projects that improve on the Smalltalk > technology. Projects such as extending the tooling around the Smalltalk > environment (which has been criticized for not playing well with existing > file-based tooling). Projects such as improving interoperability with > existing (Windows-based) infrastructures in the enterprise (which has been a > source of criticism from the likes of Robert Martin). These projects must be > financed because open source volunteerism isn't enough, not by a long shot. > And this is why we need corporate sponsorship. > > Before I make a pitch to a CEO, Smalltalk Renaissance must achieve some > degree of legitimacy. It can do this by signing up well-known names from the > Smalltalk community. Names such as the late James Robertson or StÃ©phane > Ducasse. I already have a draft letter prepared for an important CEO. I'm > only waiting for a list of SRP signatories before firing off the letter. > (Hint, hint.) > > This is what I've come up with so far in my strategic planning. It's a > work-in-progress. > > As for Pharo, I've downloaded it and played with it briefly. As far as I can > tell, the IDE is not much different from Squeak. Like I said, the design has > been tweaked and improved, but I don't see anything groundbreaking. Maybe > you and I have different ideas of what "groundbreaking" means. No but roma has not been done in a week. > > Nevertheless, as another poster indicated, we can leave this for the future. > For the time being, we need to make Smalltalk, and Pharo in particular, more > attractive to the Enterprise. I'm sure Pharo is doing this. Kudos.

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Alexandre Bergel

There is something that I cannot understand: What is the goal of pushing Smalltalk that way? I am certainly not trying to do so. In the way I see the World, Pharo is not Smalltalk, but inspired by Smalltalk. Actually, I would be tempted to say slightly inspired by Smalltalk as Pharo is taking a different path. Having Smalltalk low on the ranking does not bother me much. Having Pharo listed would be great although. Cheers, Alexandre > On Dec 29, 2014, at 8:40 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > From "The City on the Edge of Forever": > > KIRK: Then what is it? > GUARDIAN: *A question.* Since before your sun burned hot in space and before > your race was born, I have awaited a question. > KIRK: What are you? > GUARDIAN: I am the Guardian of Forever. > KIRK: Are you machine or being? > GUARDIAN: I am both and neither. I am my own beginning, my own ending. > > ----- > > Clearly, I need to explain myself in greater detail... > > The efforts of organizations such as STIC and ESUG are laudable. > Nevertheless, they have failed to popularize Smalltalk. Today, *Smalltalk is > a largely forgotten language*. This can be seen at the TIOBE index where > Smalltalk has literally fallen off a cliff (it used to be on the top 100 > list, but has since disappeared). At Redmonk and langpop.corger.nl, > Smalltalk is somewhere around the 65th position! > > Smalltalk does not get much developer attention. It doesn't get talked about > in the press like Dart and JavaScript and Java do. The language is almost > never on the minds of CEOs and CTOs, the business decision makers. I believe > I know why. > > Smalltalk organizations have focussed too much on /technical merit/, and not > enough on PR and marketing. Understandable, since engineers are > /technically-minded/ and not so much into human behaviour. I think we need > to treat developers and businessmen like consumers. We need to sell > Smalltalk to them in the same way we sell iPhones and PlayStations. In other > words, we need to build /hype/. > > Let's face it: at the best of times, the subject of Smalltalk is rather > staid. STIC and ESUG and the Smalltalk Foundation are not likely to change > this. *I want Smalltalk Renaissance to change this.* > > The Smalltalk Renaissance Program is a highly focussed campaign. Like the > language itself, I want to Keep It Simple. (That's why I'm trying to keep > the website clean and free of excess baggage.) > > The SRP cannot succeed without /your/ involvement, your participation. I am > not much more than the curator and editor for Smalltalk Renaissance, > although I'm also formulating the short-term and long-term strategy. (You > can call me "Generalissimo" Eng. ;-) ) > > One of the things I intend to do is ask members of the Smalltalk community > to submit /fresh/ essays and articles on Smalltalk. I have a list of essay > topics prepared, carefully chosen for their relevance and impact on the > future of Smalltalk. I shall be asking people to pick a topic and run with > it. If there are multiple submissions for a particular topic, I shall choose > the best one, edit it, and post it on Smalltalk Renaissance. *I guarantee > you will look good!* > > Make no mistake, this is a critical step. *These essays will address the > concerns of non-Smalltalk developers.* You need to make compelling > arguments. > > Then we promote these articles and essays on Reddit and Hacker News and so > on. > > In the near future, I will also submit Smalltalk articles to the IT press, > such as Wired and InfoWorld. These articles may well benefit from /your > contributions/. > > Another important piece of the strategy is to obtain corporate sponsorship. > If not for Apple, the Swift language would never have gotten so much > mindshare. If not for Google, Go would've failed to gain a significant > following. If not for Microsoft, C# would've been forgotten. In today's > highly competitive programming language field, if you don't have a big name > backer, you're already behind the eight ball. Grass roots are unlikely to > succeed. > > Getting the imprimatur of a major technology company is a PR coup of > inestimable value. But it's also vital for another reason. In the longer > term, I want to launch software projects that improve on the Smalltalk > technology. Projects such as extending the tooling around the Smalltalk > environment (which has been criticized for not playing well with existing > file-based tooling). Projects such as improving interoperability with > existing (Windows-based) infrastructures in the enterprise (which has been a > source of criticism from the likes of Robert Martin). These projects must be > financed because open source volunteerism isn't enough, not by a long shot. > And this is why we need corporate sponsorship. > > Before I make a pitch to a CEO, Smalltalk Renaissance must achieve some > degree of legitimacy. It can do this by signing up well-known names from the > Smalltalk community. Names such as the late James Robertson or StÃ©phane > Ducasse. I already have a draft letter prepared for an important CEO. I'm > only waiting for a list of SRP signatories before firing off the letter. > (Hint, hint.) > > This is what I've come up with so far in my strategic planning. It's a > work-in-progress. > > As for Pharo, I've downloaded it and played with it briefly. As far as I can > tell, the IDE is not much different from Squeak. Like I said, the design has > been tweaked and improved, but I don't see anything groundbreaking. Maybe > you and I have different ideas of what "groundbreaking" means. > > Nevertheless, as another poster indicated, we can leave this for the future. > For the time being, we need to make Smalltalk, and Pharo in particular, more > attractive to the Enterprise. I'm sure Pharo is doing this. Kudos. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797313.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Jun4Pharo so exciting :)

by stepharo

Le 29/12/14 21:17, Richard Wettel a Ã©crit : > Hi Steph, > > I originally used Jun to build CodeCity on top of it, in VW at the time. I know :) Some of the class blueprints were JUN classes that I was inspecting. > The main disadvantage I experienced back then was lack of support for > hardware acceleration (which made it quite slow). Plus, the developers > were Japanese and it was not clear where the product was heading next. This is not a product but an experimental platforms. Still this is good to have people experimenting with Pharo and now we have accelerated hd support so this is cool. > The positive side was that Jun provided a pretty solid API which would > allow to use OpenGL without the need to go very low-level and tons of > examples. Plus, it was pretty much the only OpenGL implementation in > VisualWorks for a long time. > > Cheers > Ricky > > â > Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox> > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_P5otiWJM&feature=youtu.be > >

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Jun4Pharo so exciting :)

by Alain Plantec

> Le 29 dÃ©c. 2014 Ã 21:12, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> a Ã©crit : > > >> On 29 Dec 2014, at 21:04, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Originally OpenGL package in VW Smalltalk > > OK, thanks. > > And how is this different or how does this compare to Athens then ? I guess June is for 3D modeling whereas Athens is a 2D rendering framework Alain > >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:50 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >>> On 29 Dec 2014, at 15:36, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_P5otiWJM&feature=youtu.be >> >> It certainly looks nice, but what is Jun exactly ? > >

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Jun4Pharo so exciting :)

by stepharo

Sven Jun is a 3D frameworks developed in 1998 in VisualWorks http://aokilab.kyoto-su.ac.jp/jun/index.html It was quite advanced and this is nice to get more people doing 3d in Pharo. They are using the back -end developed by ronie and JB and this is cool Athens is just a canvas and a oo decomposition of the canvas, brush and strokes nothing related to 3D. Stef Le 29/12/14 20:20, Sven Van Caekenberghe a Ã©crit : >> On 29 Dec 2014, at 15:36, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH_P5otiWJM&feature=youtu.be > It certainly looks nice, but what is Jun exactly ? > >

Dec. 29, 2014