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Re: [Pharo-dev] A hidden treasure :)

by stepharo

Thanks I fixed it! Stef Le 30/12/14 15:15, kilon alios a Ã©crit : > your first page looks like Pillar did not parse the coder correctly > and instead it displays > > [[[NBExternalResourceManager addResource: anObject.]]] > > Thats a hell of a class comment :D Thanks I gor and Stef :) > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > > Thanks igor for his great class comments and help! > > Stef > >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

And, yes, I did not do my most thorough homework regarding Pharo, as several of you have pointed out. Frankly, I don't have /that/ much time and energy. I'm old and retired. I'm just doing this for pleasure. So I rely on /you/ to set me straight. I remind you that I'm just the coordinator of the campaign, because I'm sure none of you have that much time to do what I'm doing. Marcus suggested that anyone can create a Google+ page, but he misses the point. The Google+ page is just one brick in the foundation of the campaign. It's part of a whole. Norbert suggests that I think I know what to do. No, I have ideas and I have a plan. There's no guarantee that it will work. Either you buy into my plan, or you don't. Either I have your support, or I don't. If the latter, I shan't waste any more time (yours or mind). -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797406.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] A toast

by Hilaire

No thanks to you & al. to build this wonderful avenue. Le 30/12/2014 14:33, stepharo a Ã©crit : > Thanks hilaire. I have DrGeo success story on the pipeline :) > > Le 30/12/14 12:41, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >> Thanks to all of you for this wonderful perspectives. >> >> Hilaire >> >> Le 29/12/2014 13:59, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>> Hello Pharoers, >>> >>> (sorry for the long post) >>> >>> I'm on holidays so I've been silent this latests days, but I didn't >>> want to let the opportunity goes to propose a toast :) >> > > > -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

Many of the top languages got there by fortuitous happenstance. JavaScript was esp. lucky in being embedded in every browser on the planet. Java had corporate sponsorship. C++ had a lot of history. Yes, grassroots helped the likes of Python and Ruby, but I contend those days are over. Mozilla, for example, needs grassroots to help Rust, but I don't see Rust succeeding. Today, it's not enough to have good libraries/tools, documentation, and word of mouth. Pharo is not alone. I see LOTS of other languages trying to do the same thing. Most of them will remain in relative obscurity. I bet my life on it. You need more contributors? How are you going to get them? It comes down to the same thing. Marketing and mindshare. PR is bullshit. But it's also a door that opens for Pharo to get its message out. Where would iPhone be without PR bullshit? Smalltalk needs an edge. I'm trying to give you that edge. Do you want it? Frankly, I'm happy to move on to other things in my life. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797403.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Andreas Wacknitz

Am 30.12.14 um 14:37 schrieb horrido: > Such hostility! I don't consider the reactions as being hostile. For me it's more like being impatient. And I can understand this because when somebody spent a lot of time and energy during the last years, it's not nice being told that was mostly wrong and somethine else is needed more. I visited your site. What alienated my immediately was the (in my eyes) bad restriction on "Web Development". I am not interested in web development. I don't intent to start a new Google, Facebook, Yahoo or a web shop and thus I don't care about web development. Regards Andreas > If I have no idea what I'm talking about, then you may enlighten me. But > there's no need to attack me. I'm only trying to help and contribute in my > own way. > > I am, in fact, doing a great deal. In terms of PR, I've created a Facebook > page, created a Google+ page, created a Twitter feed and I'm tweeting > constantly. I'm collecting and curating for the Resources page, and I shall > be doing the same for essays and articles shortly (can you be patient??). > I'm actively /trying to sign up supporters for the SRP/, and I am about > ready to contact a major CEO. Next month, I will be investigating the > Toronto District School Board to see how we may get Smalltalk into the > classroom (/I have a contact/). I have spent countless hours working on this > campaign, and I have a great deal more things to do in the New Year, as I've > clearly outlined in a previous post. > > I'm not sure what it is you think I should be *doing*. What "everyone else" > is doing *is on the technical front*, working on tools and code. As I've > already clearly elaborated, this is not enough. I'm trying a different > approach to promoting Smalltalk, one that is based on PR, marketing and > branding. Let me turn the question around: What are *you* doing on the PR > front? > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797382.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Ben Coman

Repost (it was rejected as from the wrong account) On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Ben Coman wrote: > Hi richard, I appreciate your goal. Smalltalk & Pharo do need more PR. I > can see how Pharo not being "a smalltalk" may affect it being your > poster-child for your new site, however you should review the archives > before launching into that argument as a newcomer :) > Although as a PR exercise, outside viewpoints are useful. > > Certainly Pharo does not want to be "constrained" by being "a small talk" > per smalltalk80. However some of the recent posted historical videos put > that in perspective with several PARC small talk versions being quite > different. Small talk continually evolves. > > Btw, can you drop the movie quotations. It comes across a bit high-handed > - like it's trying to teach something - but I can't work out your implied > meaning. Someone else's words can only ever be an approximation. You own > words are better. > > Good Luck with your venture. I'll look into it more when I have Better > net access. > > Ben > > > On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Which is why I've chosen Pharo as the public "face" of Smalltalk. It has >> the >> most active community, and the best chance of widespread adoption. >> >> Still, to call it a "new language", to say that "it's not Smalltalk", is a >> mistake. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797374.h… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >>

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by phil＠highoctane.be

Le 30 dÃ©c. 2014 15:13, "horrido" <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > I'm Richard. You're thinking of my brother Robert. > Yes. My bad ;-) Phil > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797395.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by kilon alios

I think newcomers like us can play a pivot role too. As a newcomer I made Pharo manipulate Blender by hijacking python, I thought that most likely I would fail because I dont know Pharo well and I never tried to create a parser or communicate via sockets but I was succesful and uploaded several videos that I am sure raised some eyebrows. Now imagine 1 million pharo newcomers do this and having 1 million youtube videos that would lead to raising 1 million eyebrows :D I agree that the best people for the job are experienced pharo developers but they can only do so much with their limited free time. We all need to help on this. Plus I have been following your progress with pharo and you have done some pretty cool contributions to pharo ;) On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Such hostility! > > > This has been gone over before and it can be a sensitive issue and > draining for busy people with a vision of what they want to achieve with > Pharo - hence the terse response. There is some enlightening research you > could do in the archives on this topic. (sorry too hard to find through > this vacation interface) > > Now often I post a link to Eric S Raymond's "how to ask smart questions" > but this interface is difficult, could you google it. > > >> > If I have no idea what I'm talking about, then you may enlighten me. But >> there's no need to attack me. I'm only trying to help and contribute in my >> own way. > > > >> I am, in fact, doing a great deal. In terms of PR, I've created a Facebook >> page, created a Google+ page, created a Twitter feed and I'm tweeting >> constantly. I'm collecting and curating for the Resources page, and I >> shall >> be doing the same for essays and articles shortly (can you be patient??). >> I'm actively /trying to sign up supporters for the SRP/, and I am about >> ready to contact a major CEO. Next month, I will be investigating the >> Toronto District School Board to see how we may get Smalltalk into the >> classroom (/I have a contact/). I have spent countless hours working on >> this >> campaign, and I have a great deal more things to do in the New Year, as >> I've >> clearly outlined in a previous post. > > > This is great to hear of these positive actions. > > > >> >> I'm not sure what it is you think I should be *doing*. What "everyone >> else" >> is doing *is on the technical front*, working on tools and code. As I've >> already clearly elaborated, this is not enough. I'm trying a different >> approach to promoting Smalltalk, one that is based on PR, marketing and >> branding. Let me turn the question around: What are *you* doing on the PR >> >> > Everyone contributes in their own way. It will be good to add more PR, > but this needs to be lead by those technical-doers who have spent the last > five years creating their vision for Pharo. (myself I am a newcomer also) > > > > -Ben >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Norbert Hartl

Richard, we appreciate your ideas and engagement on the topic. Marketing measures are surely welcomed and we are eager to see what you are going to achieve. I think nobody knows what is it that makes something successful. It is a ghost a lot of people are trying to hunt down. But I think it is hard to be really sure about it. On the other hand we are a community for several years now and we talk about those things regularly. We decide how we proceed and a few weeks another person chimes in wanting to discus it again. Your mails had that tone (maybe that was not intended) that you know what to do and we should follow that or at least focus on it. Reread that and take two first paragraphs into account. This sounds strange for a community. Asking for twitter accounts and all sorts of resources appears to me that you didn't do your homework well. That surely doesn't work. But now I think the best thing is to let this thread rest a day or two to have tensions cool down. After that the discussion might be different. Norbert > Am 30.12.2014 um 15:09 schrieb horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: > > My Twitter account is less than 3 days old. How many tweets do you expect in > that time period? > > And I struggle to find things to tweet about. I'm not accustomed to this. > Maybe you can cut me just a wee bit of slack? >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Benoit St-Jean

>Such hostility! +1000 No need for that, we should ALL be ONE family. Some people should *seriously* get a second cup of coffee in the morning before they hit *Send* or even write a single line of comment. Calm down people! Â -----------------Benoit St-JeanYahoo! Messenger: bstjeanTwitter: @BenLeChialeuxPinterest: benoitstjeanIRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein)

Dec. 30, 2014