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Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 2b60f1eeac13a27a0dca245f6ab1180b27c051c2 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/2b60f1eeac13a27a0dca245f… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-12-30 (Tue, 30 Dec 2014) Changed paths: M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/accessing/clearFlag.st M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/accessing/flag.st M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/accessing/frameSize.st M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/accessing/numArgs.st M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/accessing/numLiterals.st M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/accessing/numTemps.st M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/accessing/primitive.st A Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/debugger support/prepareForSimulationWith_.st M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/initialize-release/needsFrameSize_.st A Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/initialize-release/setFrameBit_.st A Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/literals/absoluteHeader.st M Kernel.package/CompiledMethod.class/instance/literals/headerDescription.st R Kernel.package/Context.class/instance/private/setNumArgs_toMethod_.st M Kernel.package/Context.class/instance/private/withoutPrimitiveTryNamedPrimitiveIn_for_withArgs_.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script426.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update40426.st M ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 40426 14664 CompiledMethod and Context API should support negative compiled method header https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14664 http://files.pharo.org/image/40/40426.zip

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can a hash be negative ?

by ClÃ©ment Bera

2014-12-30 17:14 GMT+01:00 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>: > > Le 30 dÃ©c. 2014 13:13, "ClÃ©ment Bera" <bera.clement(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > > > Hello Pharoers, > > > > I was wondering, is it a good practice to have negative hashes ? > > > > Based on the class comment of Object>>#hash > > > > "Answer a SmallInteger whose value is related to the receiver's > identity. [...]" > > > > The hash is a smallInteger and therefore can be negative. > > Why would this be a poor practice if seen as a set of bits? > > As long as it does its job for identifying buckets, it looks okay to me. > > More bits with good spreading is more space for the hashes. > > Now hash should be redefined along with equals if we run into large sets > to limit collisions. And I guess we wouldn't keep SmallInteger then. > > Why the question? > Well I am fixing compiled method to support negative compiled method header and the compiled method hash may now be negative if its compiled method header is. That's why. Phil > > > > > Thanks for any answer. > > > > Clement >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

BTW, you missed another key point: My Google+ page (and my Facebook page) is *part of a branding effort* for Smalltalk, and Smalltalk Renaissance. Thus, the Pharo Project Google+ page is of little value to me. I'm truly astonished that you didn't understand that. Marcus Denker-4 wrote >> On 30 Dec 2014, at 14:45, Marcus Denker < > marcus.denker@ > > wrote:of course it needs a genius like you do set up a google plus > account: > > http://google.com/+Pharo-projectOrg > > Marcus -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797425.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can a hash be negative ?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Le 30 dÃ©c. 2014 13:13, "ClÃ©ment Bera" <bera.clement(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > Hello Pharoers, > > I was wondering, is it a good practice to have negative hashes ? > > Based on the class comment of Object>>#hash > > "Answer a SmallInteger whose value is related to the receiver's identity. [...]" > > The hash is a smallInteger and therefore can be negative. Why would this be a poor practice if seen as a set of bits? As long as it does its job for identifying buckets, it looks okay to me. More bits with good spreading is more space for the hashes. Now hash should be redefined along with equals if we run into large sets to limit collisions. And I guess we wouldn't keep SmallInteger then. Why the question? Phil > > Thanks for any answer. > > Clement

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

Thank you very much. So please explain how the PR message is not aligned with the technical vision. I don't see any inconsistency. Ben Coman wrote > On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Ben Coman wrote: > >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',' > horrido.hobbies@ > ');>> wrote: >> >>> And, yes, I did not do my most thorough homework regarding Pharo, as >>> several >>> of you have pointed out. Frankly, I don't have /that/ much time and >>> energy. >>> I'm old and retired. I'm just doing this for pleasure. >>> >>> So I rely on /you/ to set me straight. >> >> >> In process :) >> >> >>> I remind you that I'm just the >>> coordinator of the campaign, because I'm sure none of you have that much >>> time to do what I'm doing. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Marcus suggested that anyone can create a Google+ page, but he misses >>> the >>> point. The Google+ page is just one brick in the foundation of the >>> campaign. >>> It's part of a whole. >>> >>> Norbert suggests that I think I know what to do. No, I have ideas and I >>> have >>> a plan. There's no guarantee that it will work. Either you buy into my >>> plan, >>> or you don't. Either I have your support, or I don't. If the latter, I >>> shan't waste any more time (yours or mind). >>> >>> >> >> It's not just a matter of time, but inclination. If you are inclined to >>> do this, then it should be supported - but it's a matter of getting the >>> PR message aligned with the technical vision. We don't want the market >>> being told one thing then getting a different message here in-list. So >>> you made a misstep here. That's okay, you learn more that way than doing >>> nothing. It may take some more back-n-forth. I hope you continue. >> >> >> -Ben >> >> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797416.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Ben Coman

On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Ben Coman wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> And, yes, I did not do my most thorough homework regarding Pharo, as >> several >> of you have pointed out. Frankly, I don't have /that/ much time and >> energy. >> I'm old and retired. I'm just doing this for pleasure. >> >> So I rely on /you/ to set me straight. > > > In process :) > > >> I remind you that I'm just the >> coordinator of the campaign, because I'm sure none of you have that much >> time to do what I'm doing. > > > > > >> >> Marcus suggested that anyone can create a Google+ page, but he misses the >> point. The Google+ page is just one brick in the foundation of the >> campaign. >> It's part of a whole. >> >> Norbert suggests that I think I know what to do. No, I have ideas and I >> have >> a plan. There's no guarantee that it will work. Either you buy into my >> plan, >> or you don't. Either I have your support, or I don't. If the latter, I >> shan't waste any more time (yours or mind). >> >> > > It's not just a matter of time, but inclination. If you are inclined to >> do this, then it should be supported - but it's a matter of getting the >> PR message aligned with the technical vision. We don't want the market >> being told one thing then getting a different message here in-list. So >> you made a misstep here. That's okay, you learn more that way than doing >> nothing. It may take some more back-n-forth. I hope you continue. > > > -Ben > >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

What else would you like me to do, in addition to what I've already described? stepharo wrote > Le 30/12/14 15:37, horrido a Ã©crit : >> Smalltalk needs an edge. I'm trying to give you that edge. Do you want >> it? > > build trust by doing. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797413.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

Erm, I mean, SRP does not succeed without *you*. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797411.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

The emphasis on web development is a "hook" to draw in the public. The fact is, whether you choose to believe it or not, the web is the single most important technological achievement of the past two decades. It's on everybody's mind. They identify with it. The website does not suggest that Smalltalk is only good for web development. Of course, you can use it for anything else. I confess I'm coloured by my experience. I worked with Seaside and I'm now working with Amber. I love web technologies. (At Medium.com, you can see this in my articles on web2py, Go frameworks, JavaScript and Dart.) If you're really interested in boosting other problem domains at Smalltalk Renaissance, you are certainly most welcome to do so by submitting essays. Or posting to Facebook. Remember, SRP does not succeed with *you*. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797410.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by stepharo

Le 30/12/14 15:37, horrido a Ã©crit : > Many of the top languages got there by fortuitous happenstance. JavaScript > was esp. lucky in being embedded in every browser on the planet. Java had > corporate sponsorship. C++ had a lot of history. > > Yes, grassroots helped the likes of Python and Ruby, but I contend those > days are over. Mozilla, for example, needs grassroots to help Rust, but I > don't see Rust succeeding. Today, it's not enough to have good > libraries/tools, documentation, and word of mouth. > > Pharo is not alone. I see LOTS of other languages trying to do the same > thing. Most of them will remain in relative obscurity. I bet my life on it. > > You need more contributors? How are you going to get them? It comes down to > the same thing. Marketing and mindshare. > > PR is bullshit. But it's also a door that opens for Pharo to get its message > out. Where would iPhone be without PR bullshit? > > Smalltalk needs an edge. I'm trying to give you that edge. Do you want it? build trust by doing. > > Frankly, I'm happy to move on to other things in my life. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797403.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 30, 2014