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Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Benoit St-Jean

It's not so much about the Windows look (whether it's Win98, Win 2K, Win XP, Win Me, Win 8, Win Whatever).Â Every Windows user *expects* to have the Close, Maximize & Minimize buttons at the upper right of the Window. It might look like a silly detail but try swapping the buttons of a Mac user to the right and wait a few seconds before he complains!Â ;) Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein) From: Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> To: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com>; Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:11, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: Date: 3 Apr 2015 14:08:03 CEST From: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions 3 quick things : 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta).Â Having the close, maximize & minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows users! Windows 2k is 16 years old. We can not maintain a museum of old windows looksâ¦ it just makes no sense (at all. At allâ¦ I donât even think how someone can think that we should!).Keep in mind that nobody uses it (but you, I guess), so it will for sure be broken in subtle waysâ¦Â We need to use it where it makes sense. A windows 2000 look is not one of these things. 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom & #atRandom: methods ?Â Even worse, the Integer class' implementation of #atRandom references the Collection class to use that random instance!Â In other words, Integer>>#atRandom --> Collection>>#randomForPicking --> Random !Â I've always been a fan of the "mind your own business" approach.Â Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have the Random class provide a default instance (a singleton) whenever other classes need such an object instead of crippling the code with class variables and singleton instance all over the place? The system is very large. I think it is fundamentally wrong to assume that something like this (Design level things) will be magically fixed if there was no discussion, no issue tracker entry, no nothing. Why do you think that this will âfix itself magicallyâ? I would really like to know your thought process behind thisâ¦ is there something that makes you think that a release process could catchthis? How? Marcus

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

by Jigyasa Grover

Hey Sean Sure ! Am up for it Could you suggest any specific task ? Thanks Jigyasa Grover On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Jigyasa Grover <grover.jigyasa1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ohk. > No issues :) > Looking forward to other Pharo Sprints focusing on beginners :D > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> >> On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:07, Jigyasa Grover <grover.jigyasa1(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hey Marcus >> Anything up there for the beginners ? >> >> >> Not really yetâ¦ I am focusing myself on Pharo4â¦ where we are not in a >> state that simple >> things are done (which often are cleanups). >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 28 Mar 2015, at 09:20, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> This means having a look at the issue tracker to find some issue that are >>> interesting to work on could be an idea. >>> >>> Maybe a trello board could be used to sync for the remote sprinters. >>> >>> >>> https://trello.com/b/OQ2k210W >>> >>> It is public for viewing, for editing I think we need to add people. >>> >>> >>> I started to add cases that people can look at. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >> >> >> >

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

by Jigyasa Grover

Ohk. No issues :) Looking forward to other Pharo Sprints focusing on beginners :D On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:07, Jigyasa Grover <grover.jigyasa1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hey Marcus > Anything up there for the beginners ? > > > Not really yetâ¦ I am focusing myself on Pharo4â¦ where we are not in a > state that simple > things are done (which often are cleanups). > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> >> On 28 Mar 2015, at 09:20, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >> This means having a look at the issue tracker to find some issue that are >> interesting to work on could be an idea. >> >> Maybe a trello board could be used to sync for the remote sprinters. >> >> >> https://trello.com/b/OQ2k210W >> >> It is public for viewing, for editing I think we need to add people. >> >> >> I started to add cases that people can look at. >> >> Marcus >> > > >

April 3, 2015

Resizing of the print block (Pharo 4.0)

by Gaurav Singh

Is there a way to resize the print block in the playground? Sometimes when the string is quite a bit long the print block never goes beyond a specific dimension which is quite less and therefore we have to scroll down more rows to check the output and the only way to see the better output is the inspector whereas in Pharo 3.0 we saw that the output depended on the size of the workspace.

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

by Marcus Denker

> On 03 Apr 2015, at 13:07, Jigyasa Grover <grover.jigyasa1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey Marcus > Anything up there for the beginners ? > Not really yetâ¦ I am focusing myself on Pharo4â¦ where we are not in a state that simple things are done (which often are cleanups). > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: > >> On 28 Mar 2015, at 09:20, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: >> >>> >>> This means having a look at the issue tracker to find some issue that are >>> interesting to work on could be an idea. >>> >>> Maybe a trello board could be used to sync for the remote sprinters. >>> >> >> https://trello.com/b/OQ2k210W <https://trello.com/b/OQ2k210W> >> >> It is public for viewing, for editing I think we need to add people. >> > > I started to add cases that people can look at. > > Marcus >

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Marcus Denker

> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:11, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > Date: 3 Apr 2015 14:08:03 CEST > From: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > Reply-To: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions > > > 3 quick things : > > 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta). Having the close, maximize & minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows users! > Windows 2k is 16 years old. We can not maintain a museum of old windows looksâ¦ it just makes no sense (at all. At allâ¦ I donât even think how someone can think that we should!). Keep in mind that nobody uses it (but you, I guess), so it will for sure be broken in subtle waysâ¦ We need to use it where it makes sense. A windows 2000 look is not one of these things. > 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom & #atRandom: methods ? Even worse, the Integer class' implementation of #atRandom references the Collection class to use that random instance! In other words, Integer>>#atRandom --> Collection>>#randomForPicking --> Random ! I've always been a fan of the "mind your own business" approach. Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have the Random class provide a default instance (a singleton) whenever other classes need such an object instead of crippling the code with class variables and singleton instance all over the place? > The system is very large. I think it is fundamentally wrong to assume that something like this (Design level things) will be magically fixed if there was no discussion, no issue tracker entry, no nothing. Why do you think that this will âfix itself magicallyâ? I would really like to know your thought process behind thisâ¦ is there something that makes you think that a release process could catch this? How? Marcus

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Benoit St-Jean

To the contrary!Â It's way faster and shorter to list what annoys me about Pharo 4.0 than write a novel on all its qualities!Â ;) Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein) From: Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> To: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com>; Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions Hi, Thanks for the feedback. Given that all listed points are negative, does it mean that there was nothing positive about Pharo 4? :) Cheers,Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:Â Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> To:Â Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Cc:Â Date:Â Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject:Â Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions 3 quick things : 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta).Â Having the close, maximize & minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows users! 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom & #atRandom: methods ?Â Even worse, the Integer class' implementation of #atRandom references the Collection class to use that random instance!Â In other words, Integer>>#atRandom --> Collection>>#randomForPicking --> Random !Â I've always been a fan of the "mind your own business" approach.Â Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have the Random class provide a default instance (a singleton) whenever other classes need such an object instead of crippling the code with class variables and singleton instance all over the place? 3) I'm having a few "Could not find disk drive" errors on Windows XP ( never had that error with Pharo 3 and I've been using it every day since it came out).Â Am I the only one?Â I ran all SUnit tests and the VM crashed "real bad".Â Do you guys need logs/dumps/errors on the console ?Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein) -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

by Sean P. DeNigris

Jigyasa Grover wrote > Anything up there for the beginners ? Documentation - class comments, method comments, tests - are always up for beginners ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-sprint-on-Friday-3rd-April-tp4815603p4817273.ht… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Sean P. DeNigris

Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list wrote > 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 > (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta).Â Having the close, maximize & > minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows > users! http://forum.world.st/FogBugz-Case-Issue-10346-Morphic-Remove-W2K-Theme-tt4… If you check the issue to see which update the above was integrated, maybe you can file it out from the previous update and port it to Pharo 4.0 ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-4-Beta-first-impressions-tp4817257p4817271.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Thanks for the feedback. Given that all listed points are negative, does it mean that there was nothing positive about Pharo 4? :) Cheers, Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev < pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:08:03 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions > 3 quick things : > > 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 > (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta). Having the close, maximize & > minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows > users! > > 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still > holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the > other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom & > #atRandom: methods ? Even worse, the Integer class' implementation of > #atRandom references the Collection class to use that random instance! In > other words, Integer>>#atRandom --> Collection>>#randomForPicking --> > Random ! I've always been a fan of the "mind your own business" approach. > Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have the Random class provide a > default instance (a singleton) whenever other classes need such an object > instead of crippling the code with class variables and singleton instance > all over the place? > > 3) I'm having a few "Could not find disk drive" errors on Windows XP ( > never had that error with Pharo 3 and I've been using it every day since it > came out). Am I the only one? I ran all SUnit tests and the VM crashed > "real bad". Do you guys need logs/dumps/errors on the console ? > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > IRC: lamneth > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

April 3, 2015