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Re: [Pharo-dev] Shorter Pharo Launcher download link

by Sean P. DeNigris

Dmitri Zagidulin wrote > Do I use user-stable? user-0.2.4? What OS are these for? etc. Those are just the Launcher image and changes file Dmitri Zagidulin wrote > Can we make it even easier? The files you want are latest.dmg and latest.exe. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Shorter-Pharo-Launcher-download-link-tp4818944p481899… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] UpdatedPharoByExample for 3.0, 4.0, 5.0

by stepharo

Ok this is easy. Le 6/4/15 19:42, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > stepharo wrote >> My point is... Just plain time to update the contents. > Iâm not suggesting we commit to maintain previous versions. But simply place > a flag in the ground before we start to update for the next version. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/UpdatedPharoByExample-for-3-0-4-0-5-0-tp4817514p48178… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

April 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Seaside One Click Experience on Pharo 4?

by stepharo

It should not be that complex: putting the vm in the folder and the pharo 40 image + sources files. Stef Le 10/4/15 19:51, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : > Are there any plans to update the old Seaside One Click Experience for > Pharo 4.0 (and the latest stable Seaside)? > > And if not, what would be the level of effort required? (And/or, who > would be the people to talk to, to set it up?) > > The reason I ask is, users new to web development on Pharo > overwhelmingly get recommended to use the One Click images. > > - on http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo - "The Seaside One-Click > Experience is the easiest way to get started with Seaside." Uses > Pharo 1.4, I believe. > > - Learning Web Development with Seaside 3 > (http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/tutorial/chapter01.pdf ) also > points to the Pharo download link above. Same deal, 1.4. > > - Dynamic Web Development with Seaside (http://book.seaside.st/book ) > also points to the One-Click. > > - Countless blog posts / tutorials link to it. > > - And, finally, Updated Pharo By Example (the Seaside chapter), also > recommends the One Click image. > > Given how much work the community has done since Pharo 1.4, would it > not make sense to update the integrated images?

April 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Urgent]: Clean up Download Instructions before 4.0 Release

by Jigyasa Grover

Hey ! I am a newbie and just started with Pharo two months back under the guidance of Mr. Sean DeNigris and Mr. Martin Bahr. I have installed Pharo VM on Windows 8 and PharoLauncher on Ubuntu 14.04 and didn't receive much difficulty apart from installing PharoLauncher on Windows 8 (which I am not able to still). It would be great if I could contribute to this issue of 'Cleaning Download Instructions for Pharo 4.0' by providing a beginners' perspective to Pharo and its installation. Any suggestions on how can I help ? Thanks and Regards Jigyasa Grover On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:50 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > super! > Mega tx > I will let esteban handle the access part :) > > Le 10/4/15 18:11, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > > Esteban A. Maringolo wrote >> >>> This particular comment let me hanging though: >>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5395496 >>> >>> We should pay special attention to those feedbacks, otherwise we'll be >>> always "preaching to the choir". >>> >> We handled two out of three of the poster's difficulties: >> 1. Nuke one-click in favor of platform-specific downloads >> 2. Add a warning about the 32-bit lib requirement to the download to the >> README >> >> However... I tried installing on Ubuntu and Debian from the perspective >> of a >> new user based on the instructions at http://pharo.org/download and they >> are >> a shambles! Very confusing and incomplete. >> >> Two requests: >> - some clarifications and changes are straightforward and >> non-controversial. >> Will someone give me access to edit the website directly? >> - for the rest, and things I'm not sure about, I created >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-workingRoadmaps/blob/master/ >> DownloadInstructions.md >> to keep track of things that need to be changed >> >> I also created Issue 15328: "Clean up Download Instructions before 4.0 >> Release" https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15328 which references the >> roadmap >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Urgent- >> Clean-up-Download-Instructions-before-4-0-Release-tp4818938.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> > >

April 10, 2015

Seaside One Click Experience on Pharo 4?

by Dmitri Zagidulin

Are there any plans to update the old Seaside One Click Experience for Pharo 4.0 (and the latest stable Seaside)? And if not, what would be the level of effort required? (And/or, who would be the people to talk to, to set it up?) The reason I ask is, users new to web development on Pharo overwhelmingly get recommended to use the One Click images. - on http://www.seaside.st/download/pharo - "The Seaside One-Click Experience is the easiest way to get started with Seaside." Uses Pharo 1.4, I believe. - Learning Web Development with Seaside 3 ( http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/tutorial/chapter01.pdf ) also points to the Pharo download link above. Same deal, 1.4. - Dynamic Web Development with Seaside (http://book.seaside.st/book ) also points to the One-Click. - Countless blog posts / tutorials link to it. - And, finally, Updated Pharo By Example (the Seaside chapter), also recommends the One Click image. Given how much work the community has done since Pharo 1.4, would it not make sense to update the integrated images?

April 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Shorter Pharo Launcher download link

by Sean P. DeNigris

Dmitri Zagidulin wrote > Unfortunately, as far as I know, the download link for it is: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Launcher/job/Launcher/PHARO=40,VERSION=stabl… The Launcher artifacts are mirrored at http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/. Maybe we should do the same with the book(s)? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Shorter-Pharo-Launcher-download-link-tp4818944p481896… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Shorter Pharo Launcher download link

by Dmitri Zagidulin

Who would be the people to talk to? (Who set up or runs pharo.org, for example? Does it have Apache in front of whatever app is serving the website, or do web requests hit pharo directly?) On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 1:22 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Having launcher.pharo.org would be cool. > Now I do not know how to do such binding. > > > Le 10/4/15 18:41, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : > > This is in the same vein as Sean's recent 'Clean up Download Instructions' > email. > > While updating the Pharo By Example chapter on installing Pharo, we > decided to mention the Pharo Launcher project as a convenient way to use > multiple images, etc. > > Unfortunately, as far as I know, the download link for it is: > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Launcher/job/Launcher/PHARO=40,VERSION=stabl… > > (And even then, you have to scroll down to the tiny 'Last Successful > Artifacts' section). > > That's a bit awkward to put in a book for people to type out, to say the > least. > > Is there any way we can either: > > 1) Use an existing URL shortener to link to that > 2) Have some Apache-redirected URLs off of pharo.org? Something like > pharo.org/launcher/ that would have the download links to the various > Launcher builds? > > > The same also goes for some of the books, by the way. In a later > chapter, we link to Pharo for the Enterprise, and we actually type out the > link: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… > > Sub-optimal. :) > > > >

April 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Shorter Pharo Launcher download link

by stepharo

Having launcher.pharo.org would be cool. Now I do not know how to do such binding. Le 10/4/15 18:41, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : > This is in the same vein as Sean's recent 'Clean up Download > Instructions' email. > > While updating the Pharo By Example chapter on installing Pharo, we > decided to mention the Pharo Launcher project as a convenient way to > use multiple images, etc. > > Unfortunately, as far as I know, the download link for it is: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Launcher/job/Launcher/PHARO=40,VERSION=stabl… > > (And even then, you have to scroll down to the tiny 'Last Successful > Artifacts' section). > > That's a bit awkward to put in a book for people to type out, to say > the least. > > Is there any way we can either: > > 1) Use an existing URL shortener to link to that > 2) Have some Apache-redirected URLs off of pharo.org > <http://pharo.org>? Something like pharo.org/launcher/ > <http://pharo.org/launcher/> that would have the download links to the > various Launcher builds? > > > The same also goes for some of the books, by the way. In a later > chapter, we link to Pharo for the Enterprise, and we actually type out > the link: > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… > > Sub-optimal. :) > >

April 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Urgent]: Clean up Download Instructions before 4.0 Release

by stepharo

super! Mega tx I will let esteban handle the access part :) Le 10/4/15 18:11, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > Esteban A. Maringolo wrote >> This particular comment let me hanging though: >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5395496 >> >> We should pay special attention to those feedbacks, otherwise we'll be >> always "preaching to the choir". > We handled two out of three of the poster's difficulties: > 1. Nuke one-click in favor of platform-specific downloads > 2. Add a warning about the 32-bit lib requirement to the download to the > README > > However... I tried installing on Ubuntu and Debian from the perspective of a > new user based on the instructions at http://pharo.org/download and they are > a shambles! Very confusing and incomplete. > > Two requests: > - some clarifications and changes are straightforward and non-controversial. > Will someone give me access to edit the website directly? > - for the rest, and things I'm not sure about, I created > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-workingRoadmaps/blob/master/Download… > to keep track of things that need to be changed > > I also created Issue 15328: "Clean up Download Instructions before 4.0 > Release" https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15328 which references the > roadmap > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Urgent-Clean-up-Download-Instructions-before-4-0-Rele… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

April 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Urgent]: Clean up Download Instructions before 4.0 Release

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

> > However... I tried installing on Ubuntu and Debian from the perspective of > a > new user based on the instructions at http://pharo.org/download and they > are > a shambles! Very confusing and incomplete. > As a debian user I have to ask, why is there a separate zeroconf for debian downloading some "swing" vm? The normal zeroconf works just fine (provided you have 32bit support, but that is needed also for swing). So a sentence about what is different would be be nice (especially considering the build is 6 months old and unlike pharo-vm master branch I don't see any newer version). Also, why do we need separate VMs between ubuntu and debian? I compiled my VM (for reasons), but I compiled it on Ubuntu 32bit (in virtual machine), and am running it on 64bit debian, so it should be compatible. Probably even the ubuntu .deb works (as with many ubuntu "only" packages). Peter

April 10, 2015