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Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Centos/RHEL/ 7.1

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > centos 6.5 is fine for rhel6. those are clones. Do you know if that's true in general for the entire RedHat family (e.g. Fedora)? Or for other families? E.g. Debian/Ubuntu/Mint? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-on-Centos-RHEL-7-1-tp4821602p4821623.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Release with Dark Theme

by phil＠highoctane.be

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:33 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > > Le 24/4/15 11:06, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > >> That's a bit harsh, the fonts are the same ;-) >> And it is of course possible that you don't like it, it is a matter of >> taste. >> The contrast thing is also taste, but for some people it solve certain >> vision problems. >> >> Exactly. > When you have floaters all day long, the last thing you want is a f*cking > white screen. > > Now, I am using 3.0 with DawnTheme, which is more like SublimeText (in a > 3.0). > > I tried the 4.0 and it is nice. Now, icons should get a pass because the > artefacts on the edges are not nice. > > If there is some little petty cash available, that's the kind of job > that can be done supercheap on something like https://en.99designs.be/. > That would be good use of consortium/association money for example. > > Why bother with graphics work when you can get things done professionaly > for close to nil? > > > do you know the people? > Because I would really be in favor getting people doing this job. > This is a large community. One can get a full website design done for around $500. Got that done and was nice work. Alternatives (used too): https://www.freelancer.com/ Phil > > > Phil > > > > > > > >> > On 24 Apr 2015, at 09:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> > >> > That's funny because I tried it two days ago the first time and I >> didn't like it. I had troubles to get anything but bitmap fonts. After >> setting all things up I was a bit disappointed that contrast wise it >> doesn't work for me. Can someone send a screenshot with one setup that >> he/she considers good? >> > >> > thanks, >> > >> > Norbert >> > >> >> Am 24.04.2015 um 08:38 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> >: >> >> >> >> I disagreeâ¦ DarkTheme is just for certain tastes, while regular one, >> while probably dated, is more âstandardâ. >> >> Also, DarkTheme is not ready. yeah, yeahâ¦ it works and works fine most >> of the timeâ¦ but not *all* the time (take for example find string dialogâ¦ I >> never found the time to fix it, and nobody complained soâ¦ :P). Finally. we >> need to adopt SVG icons (in my TODO list since a couple of months, I will >> deliver soon, I hope), otherwise they do not look good (this is a problem >> eclipse itself had itâ¦ we are just inheriting it :) ) >> >> >> >> But a good question would be: How can we push forward our UI, besides >> using a darker or clearer theme? >> >> I would like to hear some opinions here :) >> >> >> >> Esteban >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 24 Apr 2015, at 08:33, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> comments about color is to be taken with care. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Le 24/4/15 02:48, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : >> >>>> Why didn't/don't we make it the default for 4.0? Everyone seems to >> love it, >> >>>> and people are commenting that the UI looks dated. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- >> >>>> Cheers, >> >>>> Sean >> >>>> -- >> >>>> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Release-with-Dark-Theme-tp4821496.html >> >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > >

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Centos/RHEL/ 7.1

by Sean P. DeNigris

nacho wrote > I noticed that in Pharo's homepage now there is a link to a Centos build. > However, the necessary 32bits libs are not mentioned. Thanks! I was holding off on this because there are several such lists out there and I'm not sure which apply to which platforms. For example, https://github.com/philippeback/pharovm-centos65/blob/master/packages-to-in… is a very different list for Centos65. IIRC now after some info from Philippe, a list of libraries for CentOS should work for all RedHat-based distributions, right? Except what about versions e.g. is the list the same in CentOS 6.5 vs. 7.1? And if not how does one map that to versions of e.g. RHEL? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-on-Centos-RHEL-7-1-tp4821602p4821621.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Updated WebDoc

by stepharo

Ok may be we should call web doc then. Stef Le 24/4/15 10:06, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > >> On 24 Apr 2015, at 08:56, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: >> >> Ok I saw with the version 30 it is much better :) >> Because I was surprised that someone could do anything with the 40. >> Now in that case we should not just put in it in the obscure file >> server but promoted to the website. > > it is: http://pharo.org/documentation > > > Search through pharodocs <http://files.pharo.org/doc/4.0> > > The reference website for documentation about Pharo. > > > Esteban > >> >> >> Stef >> >> >> Le 24/4/15 09:41, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>> no, docs for pharo 4.0 are broken. >>> I will regenerate it next week (it takes hours). >>> >>> and about if it is useful: no experienced smalltalker will ever use it. >>> But newbies and google indexer will. >>> >>> So is good to have it and not much effort, I think. >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>>> On 24 Apr 2015, at 08:37, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >>>> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is it used? Is it useful? >>>> I tried to browse a method during 5 min and the result was really >>>> strange >>>> May be my browser is broken (safari) >>>> >>>> <jcdfgjeg..png> >>>> Le 23/4/15 17:15, Guillermo Polito a Ã©crit :<cbeahccf..png> >>>>> Quick answer, no. >>>>> >>>>> More elaborate one: >>>>> >>>>> The exports of the full pharo release (versions 3.0 and 4.0) exist >>>>> and were created by Esteban manually before each release. These, >>>>> are hosted here >>>>> >>>>> http://file-pharo.inria.fr/doc/4.0 >>>>> http://file-pharo.inria.fr/doc/3.0 >>>>> >>>>> We could run it automatically every day with latest pharo to avoid >>>>> the manual steps. I'll add that into my todo and check it later ^^. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> El jue., 23 de abr. de 2015 a la(s) 4:09 p. m., Sven Van >>>>> Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> escribiÃ³: >>>>> >>>>> Great! Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> And the full image export, is that somewhere (done >>>>> automatically) ? >>>>> >>>>> > On 23 Apr 2015, at 15:56, Guillermo Polito >>>>> <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hi guys, >>>>> > >>>>> > I started yesterday to update WebDoc to work on latest >>>>> Pharo. I share with you my progress since yesterday: >>>>> > >>>>> > - Now it loads in latest pharo4 :) >>>>> > - fixed javascript errors and render issues >>>>> > - a little of love to the css styles >>>>> > - removed unused/not working features >>>>> > - made it work well when exporting not the full image >>>>> > - ci job is again green [1] >>>>> > >>>>> > you can see the result of applying webdoc to webdoc as the >>>>> result of the ci job here [2]. If you use it further, you'll >>>>> see there are still of course some problems, but I feel it is >>>>> better than before :). >>>>> > >>>>> > If you want to check it out, instructions in [3]. >>>>> > Download: >>>>> > >>>>> > Gofer it >>>>> > smalltalkhubUser: 'PharoExtras' project: 'WebDoc'; >>>>> > package:'ConfigurationOfWebDoc'; >>>>> > load. >>>>> > >>>>> > (#ConfigurationOfWebDoc asClass project version: >>>>> #development) load. >>>>> > >>>>> > Export: >>>>> > (WebDocExporter packages: {RPackageOrganizer default >>>>> packageNamed: 'YourProject'}) >>>>> > title: 'YourProject'; >>>>> > exportTo: './doc' asFileReference. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Guille >>>>> > >>>>> > [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/WebDoc/ >>>>> > [2] >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/WebDoc/PHARO=40,VERSION=developm… >>>>> > [3]http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~PharoExtras/WebDoc >>>>> <http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7EPharoExtras/WebDoc> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

April 24, 2015

GitHub CI organization

by Sean P. DeNigris

I may be missing something, but why are pharo-build-scripts and pharo-minimal-scripts not in the pharo-ci repository? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GitHub-CI-organization-tp4821620.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Release with Dark Theme

by stepharo

+1000000000 Le 24/4/15 12:15, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >> The short term real life goals are: >> >> - unify keyboard shortcuts. >> - improve event handling so that the use of a magic mouse does not produce dozens of events that make the UI go crazy >> > Yes! > > Marcus > > >

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Small ScreenTheme [was: Release with Dark Theme]

by stepharo

+ 1 >> In a related domain, I am launching a petition for a SmallScreenTheme > > and a large screen one too. 24 or 40" UHD has lots of empty space, and > default browser sizes are too small > > The first thing to do is to make sure we don't create more legacy code > with hardcoded sizes for fonts, borders, margins, padding. > > Stephan > > > >

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Release with Dark Theme

by stepharo

Le 24/4/15 11:06, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu > <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > > That's a bit harsh, the fonts are the same ;-) > And it is of course possible that you don't like it, it is a > matter of taste. > The contrast thing is also taste, but for some people it solve > certain vision problems. > > Exactly. > When you have floaters all day long, the last thing you want is a > f*cking white screen. > > Now, I am using 3.0 with DawnTheme, which is more like SublimeText (in > a 3.0). > > I tried the 4.0 and it is nice. Now, icons should get a pass because > the artefacts on the edges are not nice. > > If there is some little petty cash available, that's the kind of job > that can be done supercheap on something like > https://en.99designs.be/. That would be good use of > consortium/association money for example. > > Why bother with graphics work when you can get things done > professionaly for close to nil? do you know the people? Because I would really be in favor getting people doing this job. > > Phil > > > > > > On 24 Apr 2015, at 09:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name > <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: > > > > That's funny because I tried it two days ago the first time and > I didn't like it. I had troubles to get anything but bitmap fonts. > After setting all things up I was a bit disappointed that contrast > wise it doesn't work for me. Can someone send a screenshot with > one setup that he/she considers good? > > > > thanks, > > > > Norbert > > > >> Am 24.04.2015 um 08:38 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano > <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: > >> > >> I disagreeâ¦ DarkTheme is just for certain tastes, while regular > one, while probably dated, is more âstandardâ. > >> Also, DarkTheme is not ready. yeah, yeahâ¦ it works and works > fine most of the timeâ¦ but not *all* the time (take for example > find string dialogâ¦ I never found the time to fix it, and nobody > complained soâ¦ :P). Finally. we need to adopt SVG icons (in my > TODO list since a couple of months, I will deliver soon, I hope), > otherwise they do not look good (this is a problem eclipse itself > had itâ¦ we are just inheriting it :) ) > >> > >> But a good question would be: How can we push forward our UI, > besides using a darker or clearer theme? > >> I would like to hear some opinions here :) > >> > >> Esteban > >> > >> > >>> On 24 Apr 2015, at 08:33, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > >>> > >>> comments about color is to be taken with care. > >>> > >>> > >>> Le 24/4/15 02:48, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > >>>> Why didn't/don't we make it the default for 4.0? Everyone > seems to love it, > >>>> and people are commenting that the UI looks dated. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Sean > >>>> -- > >>>> View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Release-with-Dark-Theme-tp4821496.html > >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive > at Nabble.com. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] TDD and BDD

by stepharo

Le 24/4/15 12:26, Christophe Demarey a Ã©crit : > Le 22 avr. 2015 Ã 20:19, stepharo a Ã©crit : > >> Christophe >> >> I do not have the answer just the constraints. >> This is hyper important that the solution does not change much SUnit. >> This way we do not end up with a mess with Sunit version. >> >> It is better to have a separate package. > I ckecked and we already diverged a lot from the SUnit standard (use of Traits, announcements, etc.). > Do you want I integrate the refactoring to have the test selectors selection coherent? > If yes, my proposal just adds 'or: [ selector name beginsWith: 'should' ]. I do not see the point of having a separate package. > If no, does it mean that we should never touch the SUnit package? No this is just that for now we do not express dependencies to a Sunit package number :) but when we will start to do it, it may be more complex. I got some problems with SUnit and SUnitToo in VW. Not fun.

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Updated WebDoc

by Thierry Goubier

Le 24/04/2015 13:40, Christophe Demarey a Ã©crit : > > Le 24 avr. 2015 Ã 13:15, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > >> philippeback wrote >>> We'd be having package level comments, that would be another story. >> >> Now that we have real package objects, is there anything that prevents it? I >> also wanted this for a loooong time... >> > > We can already add a description in the PackageManifest but the tooling support is missing. > It would be nice to have that appear as a Readme.md at the package level in the filetree format, like classes comment are transcribed. By the way, we have a Pillar to md step. Would we have a md to Pillar converter somewhere? Thierry

April 24, 2015