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Re: [Pharo-dev] Transcript needs your love

by Igor Stasenko

Either you run doits in separate process (as Sven demonstrated), or you run it in UI process, blocking the rest of UI. Stef, you complaining about not being able to see output of code that blocks a process from doing such output. I wonder how you going to fix that, and how much other complaints you will face, once you will fix that. The solution could be to change the whole UI paradigm and separate rendering from UI handling, which means that display no longer depends on what UI process are busy with. That means a lot of work revising the way how morphic delivers content to the real estate.. Only then Transcript could work as expected, scheduling screen updates into rendering/screen update schedule, as well as many other applications that can benefit from separating rendering pipeline from event handling. But alas, even then, you won't be fully satisfied, since VM is single threaded and it can be busy only with one thing at a time, either updating your screen, or advancing in progress of an action you instructed it to perform. And i remember many complaints of the past, where people was really annoyed that 'Transcript is tooooo damn slow' because often for VM it takes more cycles to update transcript than to do any progress with computation you run.. So, the choice is yours: you can run simulation that force updates of its progress every microsecond on screen (so fast, that human eye cannot notice) and as result your simulation takes hours rather than seconds, or you block the updates , or at least do not update that often (for human eyes updating more than 25 times per second is overkill). On 8 May 2015 at 16:16, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > if one uses a at doit transcript then no special action is required to > get output to appear beyond sending flush to Transcript right? So any > solution that requires special action to get the moronic transcript to work > us broken. We should fix the transcript, not expect every application to > work around a bug. > > Eliot (phone) > > On May 8, 2015, at 6:15 AM, Alain Rastoul <alf.mmm.cat(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Le 08/05/2015 11:34, stepharo a Ã©crit : > >> Hi guys > >> > >> the Transcript in Pharo is that it's not asynchronous so I can't use it > >> in VM development to show the current progress of the simulation. For > >> example: > >> 1 to: 100 do: [ :i | > >> 0.1 seconds asDelay wait. > >> Transcript show: 'x'. ] > >> => on Squeak, this shows a x every 0.1 second in the Transcript > >> => on Pharo, nothing happens during 10 seconds then all the x are shown. > >> > >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15515 > > Yes, as do it are evaluated in the World morphic process, running in a > forked process or sending World doOneCycle in the loop solve the problem. > > > > Probably in squeak, in Transcript this is done somewhere under the hood. > > > > via dependents ? > > > > TranscriptStream>>endEndtry > > "Display all the characters since the last endEntry, and reset the > stream" > > self semaphore critical:[ > > self changed: #appendEntry. > > self reset. > > ]. > > > > Object>>changed: aParameter > > self dependents do: [:aDependent | aDependent update: aParameter] > > > > And probably not doOnecycle since you cannot do anything else during > execution (clicking or moving windows). > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Alain > > > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

May 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Reflectivity] Progress for Breakpoints

by Marcus Denker

> On 08 May 2015, at 14:58, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > >> On 08 May 2015, at 11:52, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> 50040 now has these changes: >> >> - Smart Suggestions used to re-parse even when the editor window is not dirty. >> ==> now we work on the AST we get from the method in this case. >> - Reflectivity: FIX: when removing the last link, make sure to recompile the method. >> - Breakpoints: added (and simplified a bit) the class Breakpoint from Claraâs SmartBreakpoint >> project. >> >> Next: integrate enable setting/removing breakpoints using suggestions. >> > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15516/add-suggestion-for-breakpoint <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15516/add-suggestion-for-breakpoint> > > this is of course completely untestedâ¦ it works only when there is no unaccepted > text in the editor and maybe only within Nautilus. > > And of course existing breakpoints are not yet in any form visualised in the editor. This is in 50041. Please use with careâ¦ still needs work to be really usable. Marcus

May 8, 2015

Get view of RWElement?

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, in all versions of Roassal I could as an element in which view it is. But it looks like Roassal-Woden doesnât have this API. Is there a different philosophy? Uko

May 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Transcript needs your love

by Eliot Miranda

Hi, if one uses a at doit transcript then no special action is required to get output to appear beyond sending flush to Transcript right? So any solution that requires special action to get the moronic transcript to work us broken. We should fix the transcript, not expect every application to work around a bug. Eliot (phone) On May 8, 2015, at 6:15 AM, Alain Rastoul <alf.mmm.cat(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Le 08/05/2015 11:34, stepharo a Ã©crit : >> Hi guys >> >> the Transcript in Pharo is that it's not asynchronous so I can't use it >> in VM development to show the current progress of the simulation. For >> example: >> 1 to: 100 do: [ :i | >> 0.1 seconds asDelay wait. >> Transcript show: 'x'. ] >> => on Squeak, this shows a x every 0.1 second in the Transcript >> => on Pharo, nothing happens during 10 seconds then all the x are shown. >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15515 > Yes, as do it are evaluated in the World morphic process, running in a forked process or sending World doOneCycle in the loop solve the problem. > > Probably in squeak, in Transcript this is done somewhere under the hood. > > via dependents ? > > TranscriptStream>>endEndtry > "Display all the characters since the last endEntry, and reset the stream" > self semaphore critical:[ > self changed: #appendEntry. > self reset. > ]. > > Object>>changed: aParameter > self dependents do: [:aDependent | aDependent update: aParameter] > > And probably not doOnecycle since you cannot do anything else during execution (clicking or moving windows). > > > -- > Regards, > > Alain > >

May 8, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/50041 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

May 8, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core] b0e0a4: 50041

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Branch: refs/heads/5.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: b0e0a4383684315b65b77aa10c619b50406daf5f https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/b0e0a4383684315b65b77aa1… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2015-05-08 (Fri, 08 May 2015) Changed paths: R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script649.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script650.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50040.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50041.st M ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsAbstractContext.class/instance/initialize/selectedNode.st A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsBreakpointSuggestion.class/README.md A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsBreakpointSuggestion.class/definition.st A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsBreakpointSuggestion.class/instance/as yet unclassified/breakpointForCondition.st A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsBreakpointSuggestion.class/instance/as yet unclassified/breakpointSelectionMenu.st A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsBreakpointSuggestion.class/instance/as yet unclassified/execute.st A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsBreakpointSuggestion.class/instance/as yet unclassified/label.st A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsBreakpointSuggestion.class/instance/as yet unclassified/selectedNodeHasMetalink.st A SmartSuggestions.package/SugsSuggestionFactory.class/class/methods/createBreakAtLineCommand.st M SmartSuggestions.package/extension/OCSlotVariable/instance/specialCommands.st Log Message: ----------- 50041 15516 add suggestion for breakpoint https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15516 http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50041.zip

May 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Transcript needs your love

by Alain Rastoul

Le 08/05/2015 11:34, stepharo a Ã©crit : > Hi guys > > the Transcript in Pharo is that it's not asynchronous so I can't use it > in VM development to show the current progress of the simulation. For > example: > 1 to: 100 do: [ :i | > 0.1 seconds asDelay wait. > Transcript show: 'x'. ] > => on Squeak, this shows a x every 0.1 second in the Transcript > => on Pharo, nothing happens during 10 seconds then all the x are shown. > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15515 > > Yes, as do it are evaluated in the World morphic process, running in a forked process or sending World doOneCycle in the loop solve the problem. Probably in squeak, in Transcript this is done somewhere under the hood. via dependents ? TranscriptStream>>endEndtry "Display all the characters since the last endEntry, and reset the stream" self semaphore critical:[ self changed: #appendEntry. self reset. ]. Object>>changed: aParameter self dependents do: [:aDependent | aDependent update: aParameter] And probably not doOnecycle since you cannot do anything else during execution (clicking or moving windows). -- Regards, Alain

May 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Reflectivity] Progress for Breakpoints

by Marcus Denker

> On 08 May 2015, at 11:52, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Hi, > > 50040 now has these changes: > > - Smart Suggestions used to re-parse even when the editor window is not dirty. > ==> now we work on the AST we get from the method in this case. > - Reflectivity: FIX: when removing the last link, make sure to recompile the method. > - Breakpoints: added (and simplified a bit) the class Breakpoint from Claraâs SmartBreakpoint > project. > > Next: integrate enable setting/removing breakpoints using suggestions. > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15516/add-suggestion-for-breakpoint <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15516/add-suggestion-for-breakpoint> this is of course completely untestedâ¦ it works only when there is no unaccepted text in the editor and maybe only within Nautilus. And of course existing breakpoints are not yet in any form visualised in the editor. Marcus

May 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Selected context specific debugger action

by Sean P. DeNigris

Thanks! ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Selected-context-specific-debugger-action-tp4825049p4… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 8, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/50040 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

May 8, 2015