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Re: [Pharo-dev] String concatenation using comma ","

by Max Leske

Iâm with Sven on this. Just because JavaScript implementations (and others) choose to perform implicit type conversion doesnât mean itâs a good thing. It might make it easier for newcomers to write a hello world program but it will bite you when youâre trying to do actual work. > On 10 Sep 2015, at 16:16, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > No, this is not a good idea (silent conversions). It is one of the original differences between Pharo and Squeak. Try searching the MLs, I am sure it is all still there. > > You can also concatenate exceptions to create an exception set, I am sure there are other examples. > >> On 10 Sep 2015, at 16:12, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> I'm just curious why "," doesn't convert object to string during concatenation? >> >> For example I expect >> 'answer is ', 42 >> to return 'answer is 42' instead of 'SmallInteger are not indexable'. >> >> Of course you could say that >> 'answer is ', 42 asString >> does the job... but still why not to put asString in concatenation method >> >> Cheers, >> Alex >> > >

Sept. 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] FogBugz (Case [Issue]16520) CI and Bugtracker - Help topic for how to contribute to Pharo basecode

by Alexandre Bergel

Thanks Marcus! Apparently my two fixes are now in. This is cool! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > I did some workaround for now > > => disabled some not that useful checks > => put the timout higher > > a normal run is now at around 30 min. > > >> On 09 Sep 2015, at 22:05, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: >> >> It needs to be fixed but I *really* did not find any time yet. >> >>> On 09 Sep 2015, at 22:00, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe change the error message until it is resolved to something like "Timeout blablabla... this is CI issue, please tell the monkey to try again". >>> So people know it's not their error and it will also tell them what to do, so they (me last week, Alex this week, someone else next week) don't need to ask again and again. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:57 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: >>> yes in that case why not fixing that because this is really really annoying to always get a fix rejected with a bad feedback. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> Le 9/9/15 21:52, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >>> >>> On 09 Sep 2015, at 20:27, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: >>> >>> Not much mark it as fix to include. >>> The last where this was done added an undeclared. Quality goes down very fast when we add changes without running the tests. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

Sept. 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Image and bootstrap dependencies

by Ben Coman

Very cool. A couple of minor improvements: * The double-clicked "target" node is also hidden, so its label does not show. * When double-clicking a second node "B", it resets to show all links, rather than showing only the links for "B". Perhaps reset only when the "target" node is double-clicked again, or the background in double-clicked. cheers -ben On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Christophe Demarey <Christophe.Demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I updated the graph. > There is now: > > dependencies to remove in red > if you double-click on a node, you only see links where the node is > involved. > > > > Le 10 sept. 2015 Ã 13:30, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Christophe Demarey > <Christophe.Demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > > Le 9 sept. 2015 Ã 16:03, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > > > The interactive graph is cool. Some suggestions: > > * Mark nodes of dependencies you want to prune in red. > > > > yes, I will add it ASAP > > > * Allow nodes to be pinned > > * http://bl.ocks.org/GerHobbelt/3637711 > > > > very good idea. > > TBH, I justa wanted to have a first visualization usable very fast. The > > current result can be improved a lot. > > > no problem. release early, release often is a good practice. > cheers -ben > >

Sept. 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] FogBugz (Case [Issue]16520) CI and Bugtracker - Help topic for how to contribute to Pharo basecode

by Marcus Denker

I did some workaround for now => disabled some not that useful checks => put the timout higher a normal run is now at around 30 min. > On 09 Sep 2015, at 22:05, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > It needs to be fixed but I *really* did not find any time yet. > >> On 09 Sep 2015, at 22:00, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Maybe change the error message until it is resolved to something like "Timeout blablabla... this is CI issue, please tell the monkey to try again". >> So people know it's not their error and it will also tell them what to do, so they (me last week, Alex this week, someone else next week) don't need to ask again and again. >> >> Peter >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:57 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: >> yes in that case why not fixing that because this is really really annoying to always get a fix rejected with a bad feedback. >> >> Stef >> >> >> Le 9/9/15 21:52, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >> >> On 09 Sep 2015, at 20:27, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: >> >> Not much mark it as fix to include. >> The last where this was done added an undeclared. Quality goes down very fast when we add changes without running the tests. >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >> >

Sept. 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] String concatenation using comma ","

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

No, this is not a good idea (silent conversions). It is one of the original differences between Pharo and Squeak. Try searching the MLs, I am sure it is all still there. You can also concatenate exceptions to create an exception set, I am sure there are other examples. > On 10 Sep 2015, at 16:12, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi > > I'm just curious why "," doesn't convert object to string during concatenation? > > For example I expect > 'answer is ', 42 > to return 'answer is 42' instead of 'SmallInteger are not indexable'. > > Of course you could say that > 'answer is ', 42 asString > does the job... but still why not to put asString in concatenation method > > Cheers, > Alex >

Sept. 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on iPad Pro

by phil＠highoctane.be

Still, this is better than having your app die on your own device coz some damn dev cert expired. Phil On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > wait, wait, I knew there was a catch :D > > This refers to creating your own app with XCODE and installing it to your > OWN iOS device. App store still remains the easy way of distributing apps > and I doubt that will accept Pharo as it is . > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:52 PM Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> > wrote: > >> On 10-09-15 14:26, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: >> > It would have to be a closed version, since Apple does not allow for >> apps >> > that can load third party code. Or did this change ? >> >> It changed. >> >> https://developer.apple.com/xcode/ >> >> Now everyone can get their app on their Apple device. >> Xcode 7 and Swift now make it easier for everyone to build apps and run >> them directly on their Apple devices. Simply sign in with your Apple ID, >> and turn your idea into an app that you can touch on your iPad, iPhone, >> or Apple Watch. Download Xcode 7 beta and try it yourself today. Program >> membership is not required. >> >> Stephan >> >> >>

Sept. 10, 2015

String concatenation using comma ","

by Aliaksei Syrel

Hi I'm just curious why "," doesn't convert object to string during concatenation? For example I expect > 'answer is ', 42 to return 'answer is 42' instead of 'SmallInteger are not indexable'. Of course you could say that > 'answer is ', 42 asString does the job... but still why not to put asString in concatenation method Cheers, Alex

Sept. 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Image and bootstrap dependencies

by Craig Latta

> I updated the graph. There is now: > > * dependencies to remove in red > * if you double-click on a node, you only see links where the node > is involved. Very nice! -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

Sept. 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on iPad Pro

by Dimitris Chloupis

wait, wait, I knew there was a catch :D This refers to creating your own app with XCODE and installing it to your OWN iOS device. App store still remains the easy way of distributing apps and I doubt that will accept Pharo as it is . On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:52 PM Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > On 10-09-15 14:26, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > It would have to be a closed version, since Apple does not allow for apps > > that can load third party code. Or did this change ? > > It changed. > > https://developer.apple.com/xcode/ > > Now everyone can get their app on their Apple device. > Xcode 7 and Swift now make it easier for everyone to build apps and run > them directly on their Apple devices. Simply sign in with your Apple ID, > and turn your idea into an app that you can touch on your iPad, iPhone, > or Apple Watch. Download Xcode 7 beta and try it yourself today. Program > membership is not required. > > Stephan > > >

Sept. 10, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on iPad Pro

by Craig Latta

They still won't approve apps that install new code at runtime, though. So any IDE that used Monticello, for example, would have to be distributed ad-hoc rather than through the Apple Store. Please let me know if that's changed; I would be a lot more interested in iOS if it did. -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

Sept. 10, 2015