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Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by stepharo

Me too and olivier too on our own projects! Stef Le 10/3/16 23:33, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > SmalltalkHub looks like to have issues. > e.g. Hilaire not being able to access the Mold project despite being a > contributor. > Removing/adding him didn't change much to the situation. > > We need to have more resources focusing on it as this is now a key > part of our infrastructure. > > Phil > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > > > - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub > just after we created an account. > > This already happened to me during the open-devs. > > So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because > people will gave up just after the first lecture :( > > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > > > - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: > > students were manipulating object with name such as state of > state machine and one wrote > > > > State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. > > I have just created an issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > >

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by stepharo

Le 10/3/16 22:14, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after we created an account. >> This already happened to me during the open-devs. >> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will gave up just after the first lecture :( > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ But will we have to answer 100 of problems during the mooc? And if people drop after just because they cannot save their code as we say it :( > >> - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: >> students were manipulating object with name such as state of state machine and one wrote >> >> State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. > I have just created an issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName it was deprecated and turn into setName: but I think that setClassName: is better. > > Alexandre

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by monty

There's also the option of SS3 skinned to look like STH. We also really need TLS. Sent:Â Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 5:33 PM From:Â "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> To:Â "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject:Â Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation SmalltalkHub looks like to have issues. e.g. Hilaire not being able to access the Mold project despite being a contributor.Â Removing/adding him didn't change much to the situation. Â We need to have more resources focusing on it as this is now a key part of our infrastructure. Â Phil Â On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after we created an account. > This already happened to me during the open-devs. > So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will gave up just after the first lecture :( The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: > students were manipulating object with name such as state of state machine and one wrote > > State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. I have just created an issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName… Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre BergelÂ http://www.bergel.eu[http://www.bergel.eu] ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. Â

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by Dimitris Chloupis

Its not your fault that: a) Git has far better documentation b) Git has clear commands that leave little ambiguity to how the versioning works c) Git GUIs are light years ahead of Monticello d) Git supports versioning any file and not just code e) Github does not brake down every other day and it comes also with great documentation, awesome features and incredible flexibility f) Git and Github support an incredible amount of languages and most importantly projects that use multiple languages g) Git can run circles around Pharo versioning in terms of performance h) Git does not have to contact a million websites to do a single commit Just send those students to me, I will apologize On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:56 PM Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > > On 10 Mar 2016, at 22:14, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > wrote: > > > >> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just > after we created an account. > >> This already happened to me during the open-devs. > >> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will > gave up just after the first lecture :( > > > > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > > If they know git - yes. Otherwise git is very complicated. But at least we > will be able to say that this is not our fault. > > Uko > > > > >> - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: > >> students were manipulating object with name such as state of state > machine and one wrote > >> > >> State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. > > > > I have just created an issue: > > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName > > > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > >

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by phil＠highoctane.be

Smalltalkhub is nice but it is based on Amber for its frontend and an old version at that. Not sure that it is the easiest thing in the world to maintain. Maybe it could be redone as a Seaside app with a couple of jQuery enhancements. On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Chris Cunningham <cunningham.cb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com > > wrote: > >> > - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just >> after we created an account. >> > This already happened to me during the open-devs. >> > So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will >> gave up just after the first lecture :( >> >> The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ >> > > which is probably why smalltalkhub is in the state it is - works fairly > well, but who wants to put time into improving it when we are actively > moving away from it? > > Bummer. > -cbc >

March 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by phil＠highoctane.be

You'd be surprise at how little people know in some places. On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If they know git - yes. Otherwise git is very complicated. But at least we >> will be able to say that this is not our fault. >> > > Software students not knowing git in this day and ageâ¦ is just sad. > > Git can get very complicated if you are going very deep, but then again > that's true for any powerful tool, language, or system. >

March 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by phil＠highoctane.be

SmalltalkHub looks like to have issues. e.g. Hilaire not being able to access the Mold project despite being a contributor. Removing/adding him didn't change much to the situation. We need to have more resources focusing on it as this is now a key part of our infrastructure. Phil On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after > we created an account. > > This already happened to me during the open-devs. > > So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will > gave up just after the first lecture :( > > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > > > - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: > > students were manipulating object with name such as state of state > machine and one wrote > > > > State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. > > I have just created an issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > >

March 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by Chris Cunningham

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after > we created an account. > > This already happened to me during the open-devs. > > So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will > gave up just after the first lecture :( > > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > which is probably why smalltalkhub is in the state it is - works fairly well, but who wants to put time into improving it when we are actively moving away from it? Bummer. -cbc

March 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

> > If they know git - yes. Otherwise git is very complicated. But at least we > will be able to say that this is not our fault. > Software students not knowing git in this day and ageâ¦ is just sad. Git can get very complicated if you are going very deep, but then again that's true for any powerful tool, language, or system.

March 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by Yuriy Tymchuk

> On 10 Mar 2016, at 22:14, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > >> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after we created an account. >> This already happened to me during the open-devs. >> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will gave up just after the first lecture :( > > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ If they know git - yes. Otherwise git is very complicated. But at least we will be able to say that this is not our fault. Uko > >> - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: >> students were manipulating object with name such as state of state machine and one wrote >> >> State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. > > I have just created an issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >

March 10, 2016