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Re: [Pharo-dev] Logging API discussion

by stepharo

> No, I did not suggest that you want to log strings. I simply said that this type of use case is different than the regular logging use case. I think it is important to treat these two separately because indeed when you debug you are in a prototyping mode and you want to go fast. In this situation, you do not want to have to create a separate class. But, for the long term logging you have different requirements and there you want to be more rigorous, and in that scenario creating a new class is acceptable. If we design a logging infrastructure the second use case is what we want to optimize around. Indeed Logging is not just about replace Transcript show: > > Of course, we should still think about the prototyping part. I found that it is often more interesting to log entire contexts (and have a post-mortem debugger) than individual objects. Nevertheless, with something as simple as: > > object asBeaconSignal log. > > It worked fine. > > And if I really wanted to add extra information, I rudimentary did: > > {âsome textâ . object } asBeaconSignal log. > > Or even: > > {âsome textâ . #someSymbol . 42 . object } asBeaconSignal log. I got a similar but not based on array but with a block to handle extension without subclasses. > > It is not the most elegant solution, but it is very malleable and good enough for debugging purposes. If we would have instance-based filtering for announcements, we could filter based on that without any extra effort. Also, if we would have a composition mechanism in place, we could build these objects with a more elegant API. > > Regarding your statement of logging domain objects, you will have to store these objects with the additional information somewhere, and that will be a wrapper class. I do not see the difference with the Signal. > > Cheers, > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "We can create beautiful models in a vacuum. > But, to get them effective we have to deal with the inconvenience of reality." > > >

May 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Logging API discussion

by stepharo

Le 28/4/16 Ã 10:13, Denis Kudriashov a Ã©crit : > > 2016-04-27 20:50 GMT+02:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: > >> >> And you say let's replace this "log object context" information >> with first class entities "typed signals". It means that for any >> possible case when I want to put something in log I should create >> class for new signal. It's just not practical. > why? > MySpecialLog > ... > emit > > > What I am talking about is that I don't want create MySpecialLog for > any MySpecialDomainObject which I want to log. I do not get it. Inheritance is good and if you combine it with delegation you can rule part of the world. BasicLog timeStamp object: MySpecialLog what I want

May 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo 5] Some feedbacks

by stepharo

> I don't know what you want to do with these feedbacks, mostly UI oriented. Fix the ones that can easily be fixed and think about the others :) So providing a better setting description is around 2 min work so we should do it. Stef > > Hilaire > > Le 01/05/2016 09:11, stepharo a Ã©crit : >> Now it would be good to open bug entries to each of your points >> >> and help to address some of them. >> >> Stef

May 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] looking for pictures of new contributors

by Tudor Girba

Hi Peter, We know the existing contributors, but we would like to make sure that we have the necessary info (e.g., license agreement signed) about the new ones. Cheers, Doru > On May 1, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > And what if I am not new contributor (I've contributed to both 4 and 5), not on this list, and not on the website? :) > > On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > For the pharo.org site, I need photos of this persons (Pharo 5 new contributors): > > Abdelghani Alidra > David Allouche > Thibault Arloing > Vincent Blondeau > Miguel Campusano > Christopher Coat > Paul DeBruicker > Sergio Fedi > HolgerHansPeter Freyther > Thomas Heniart > Skip Lentz > Henrik Nergaard > Marion Noirbent > Merwan Ouddane > Alain Rastoul > Stefn Reichhart > Valentin Ryckewaert > Boris Spasojevic > Roger Stebler > Pablo Tesone > Franck Warlouzet > > Photo has to be a 70x70 PNG fileâ¦ if you do not send me a photo you will appear as a nice gray pharo, like this: http://pharo.org/files/faces/noface.png :) > > cheers, > Esteban > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "If you can't say why something is relevant, it probably isn't."

May 1, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] looking for pictures of new contributors

by Esteban Lorenzano

btwâ¦ I forget to say it: send me a PRIVATE mail. No need to pollute this list with this :P > On 01 May 2016, at 17:21, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > For the pharo.org site, I need photos of this persons (Pharo 5 new contributors): > > Abdelghani Alidra > David Allouche > Thibault Arloing > Vincent Blondeau > Miguel Campusano > Christopher Coat > Paul DeBruicker > Sergio Fedi > HolgerHansPeter Freyther > Thomas Heniart > Skip Lentz > Henrik Nergaard > Marion Noirbent > Merwan Ouddane > Alain Rastoul > Stefn Reichhart > Valentin Ryckewaert > Boris Spasojevic > Roger Stebler > Pablo Tesone > Franck Warlouzet > > Photo has to be a 70x70 PNG fileâ¦ if you do not send me a photo you will appear as a nice gray pharo, like this: http://pharo.org/files/faces/noface.png :) > > cheers, > Esteban >

May 1, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] looking for pictures of new contributors

by Esteban Lorenzano

ah, but you are in the âcontributors listââ¦ just not in the ânew contributorsâ because you are not one :) justâ¦ your name is missing on pharo siteâ¦ something to fix. Esteban > On 01 May 2016, at 18:01, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > hehâ¦ give me your photo too :) > > this list is collected by parsing the timestamps for new/modified methodsâ¦ why you are not in the list? > maybe you do not use your full name? > > Esteban > >> On 01 May 2016, at 17:47, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> And what if I am not new contributor (I've contributed to both 4 and 5), not on this list, and not on the website? :) >> >> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> For the pharo.org <http://pharo.org/> site, I need photos of this persons (Pharo 5 new contributors): >> >> Abdelghani Alidra >> David Allouche >> Thibault Arloing >> Vincent Blondeau >> Miguel Campusano >> Christopher Coat >> Paul DeBruicker >> Sergio Fedi >> HolgerHansPeter Freyther >> Thomas Heniart >> Skip Lentz >> Henrik Nergaard >> Marion Noirbent >> Merwan Ouddane >> Alain Rastoul >> Stefn Reichhart >> Valentin Ryckewaert >> Boris Spasojevic >> Roger Stebler >> Pablo Tesone >> Franck Warlouzet >> >> Photo has to be a 70x70 PNG fileâ¦ if you do not send me a photo you will appear as a nice gray pharo, like this: http://pharo.org/files/faces/noface.png <http://pharo.org/files/faces/noface.png> :) >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> >> >> >

May 1, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] looking for pictures of new contributors

by Esteban Lorenzano

hehâ¦ give me your photo too :) this list is collected by parsing the timestamps for new/modified methodsâ¦ why you are not in the list? maybe you do not use your full name? Esteban > On 01 May 2016, at 17:47, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > And what if I am not new contributor (I've contributed to both 4 and 5), not on this list, and not on the website? :) > > On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > For the pharo.org <http://pharo.org/> site, I need photos of this persons (Pharo 5 new contributors): > > Abdelghani Alidra > David Allouche > Thibault Arloing > Vincent Blondeau > Miguel Campusano > Christopher Coat > Paul DeBruicker > Sergio Fedi > HolgerHansPeter Freyther > Thomas Heniart > Skip Lentz > Henrik Nergaard > Marion Noirbent > Merwan Ouddane > Alain Rastoul > Stefn Reichhart > Valentin Ryckewaert > Boris Spasojevic > Roger Stebler > Pablo Tesone > Franck Warlouzet > > Photo has to be a 70x70 PNG fileâ¦ if you do not send me a photo you will appear as a nice gray pharo, like this: http://pharo.org/files/faces/noface.png <http://pharo.org/files/faces/noface.png> :) > > cheers, > Esteban > > >

May 1, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] looking for pictures of new contributors

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

And what if I am not new contributor (I've contributed to both 4 and 5), not on this list, and not on the website? :) On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > For the pharo.org site, I need photos of this persons (Pharo 5 new > contributors): > > Abdelghani Alidra > David Allouche > Thibault Arloing > Vincent Blondeau > Miguel Campusano > Christopher Coat > Paul DeBruicker > Sergio Fedi > HolgerHansPeter Freyther > Thomas Heniart > Skip Lentz > Henrik Nergaard > Marion Noirbent > Merwan Ouddane > Alain Rastoul > Stefn Reichhart > Valentin Ryckewaert > Boris Spasojevic > Roger Stebler > Pablo Tesone > Franck Warlouzet > > Photo has to be a 70x70 PNG fileâ¦ if you do not send me a photo you will > appear as a nice gray pharo, like this: > http://pharo.org/files/faces/noface.png :) > > cheers, > Esteban > > >

May 1, 2016

looking for pictures of new contributors

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, For the pharo.org site, I need photos of this persons (Pharo 5 new contributors): Abdelghani Alidra David Allouche Thibault Arloing Vincent Blondeau Miguel Campusano Christopher Coat Paul DeBruicker Sergio Fedi HolgerHansPeter Freyther Thomas Heniart Skip Lentz Henrik Nergaard Marion Noirbent Merwan Ouddane Alain Rastoul Stefn Reichhart Valentin Ryckewaert Boris Spasojevic Roger Stebler Pablo Tesone Franck Warlouzet Photo has to be a 70x70 PNG fileâ¦ if you do not send me a photo you will appear as a nice gray pharo, like this: http://pharo.org/files/faces/noface.png :) cheers, Esteban

May 1, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Menus is spelt incorrectly in the setting browser

by Esteban Lorenzano

heâ¦ I know the guilty one :) thatâs because in spanish is âmenuesâ and not âmenusâ :P Esteban > On 01 May 2016, at 12:23, kmo <voxkmp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Just to add that in 50710 it read "Menu" so it was OK. So this has been > introduced recently. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Menus-is-spelt-incorrectly-in-the-setting-browser-tp4… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

May 1, 2016