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Re: [Pharo-dev] Usability issue : the class/instance button in Pharo 5 gives poor feedback

by Alistair Grant

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 11:30:00AM +0200, Peter Uhnak wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 09:07:57PM +0200, Dale Henrichs wrote: > > Peter, > > > > Note that bold is not always as obvious as you think ... I don't think, I've > > noticed that difference ... also when the hierarchy button is clicked the > > package/category list changes in some subtle way > > Subtle way? > > It's very different; when you are in hierarchy view,the packages list has gray background and the text is gray too, compared to black on white. > If you consider this subtle, maybe we should have a new theme that would focus on accessibility (=making colors more distinct)? > > Peter I agree with Dale here. Maybe it's because my eyes aren't as good as they used to be, or maybe it's because I'm not used to this style of queue, but I never see the visual queues Peter mentioned. Thanks, Alistair

Aug. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Usability issue : the class/instance button in Pharo 5 gives poor feedback

by Alistair Grant

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 09:30:59AM +0200, stepharo wrote: > If you have ideas let us know. > > In the past we changed for the radio because of that. > > What I do not like that is that we cannot press on a package when we are in > hierarchy mode > > and this is super boring because it breask my flow. +1 > > > Stef

Aug. 22, 2016

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Aug. 22, 2016

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 065468: 60189

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Branch: refs/heads/6.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 065468f08a4cc262b3aa4bf7519a023892306ed3 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/065468f08a4cc262b3aa4bf7… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2016-08-22 (Mon, 22 Aug 2016) Changed paths: M AST-Core.package/RBParser.class/instance/private-parsing/parseLiteralArrayObject.st M AST-Core.package/RBScanner.class/instance/accessing/scanToken.st A AST-Core.package/RBScanner.class/instance/private-scanning/scanUnknownCharacter.st A AST-Tests-Core.package/RBParserTest.class/instance/tests parsing/testParseFaultyLiteral.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson01.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson02.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson03.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson04.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson05.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson06.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson07.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson08.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson10.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson11.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson11Author.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson11Blessing.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson11Descripton.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson11Timestamp.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson12DoIts.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart1.class/instance/lessons/lesson13.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart2.class/instance/lessons/lesson07.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart2.class/instance/lessons/lesson10.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart2.class/instance/lessons/lesson11.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart2.class/instance/lessons/lesson12.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart2.class/instance/lessons/lesson13.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloConfigurationTutorialPart2.class/instance/lessons/lesson14.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloDevelopmentProcess.class/instance/intro/introductionText.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloDevelopmentProcess.class/instance/lessons/createConfigurationAndBaseline.st M Metacello-ProfStef.package/MetacelloDevelopmentProcess.class/instance/lessons/createDevelopmentVersion.st A OpalCompiler-Core.package/OCUndeclaredVariableWarning.class/instance/correcting/defineTrait_.st M OpalCompiler-Core.package/OCUndeclaredVariableWarning.class/instance/correcting/openMenuIn_.st R ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script60188.st A ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script60189.st R ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update60188.st A ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update60189.st M ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st M Traits.package/TClass.class/instance/copying/duplicateClassWithNewName_.st Log Message: ----------- 60189 18957 Class copy should not change the name of the instance variables https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18957 18434 Metacello-ProfSef classes sends wrong methods https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18434 18959 Create a class with a not existing trait does not suggest to create a new trait https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18959 18969 RBParser gets stuck in an endless loop if literal array contains an error https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18969 http://files.pharo.org/image/60/60189.zip

Aug. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] <example>/<examplar>

by stepharo

Hi sean this is exactly with <sampleInstance> but this is not exactly the solution doru envision. But I think that sampleInstance is letting people build extra tools and also let people use the sample method in their test and others. Stef Le 21/8/16 Ã 02:01, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > Tudor Girba-2 wrote >> In this case, you will not be able to use the resulting object, and the >> new energy around examples started from the need to utilize that ability >> The other solution is to delegate the action to another pragma that can >> complement the example one. > Isn't that what we've settled on? That is, <sampleInstance> for when you > need the result? It seems that all bases are covered if those methods return > an instance and the browser button takes that instance and opens an > inspector, no? > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/example-examplar-tp4911728p4912083.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Aug. 22, 2016

Having fun with Pharo

by Aliaksei Syrel

Hi Did you know that `2 * 10.2` is two times slower than `2 asFloat * 10.2`? Here is performance test (inspect result, takes ~10s to complete): http://ws.stfx.eu/4T0CR23OURZW Who knows how performance can be improved with this knowledge... Cheers, Alex

Aug. 21, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] STON and (default) line endings

by Peter Uhnak

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 03:26:41PM +0200, stepharo wrote: > I got bitten by messy files recently and I have the impression that you > should have > > in and out line ending settings (because may be you want to see Ston one way > and output the other) Unless I am mistaken, line endings for STON itself are not significant, so input line-endings are not that important. And if you have line endings in strings, those are not affected, so nothing (in theory) should break. Or did you mean something else? Peter

Aug. 21, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Usability issue : the class/instance button in Pharo 5 gives poor feedback

by Peter Uhnak

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 09:07:57PM +0200, Dale Henrichs wrote: > Peter, > > Note that bold is not always as obvious as you think ... I don't think, I've > noticed that difference ... also when the hierarchy button is clicked the > package/category list changes in some subtle way Subtle way? It's very different; when you are in hierarchy view,the packages list has gray background and the text is gray too, compared to black on white. If you consider this subtle, maybe we should have a new theme that would focus on accessibility (=making colors more distinct)? Peter

Aug. 21, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Beta of Mooc webportal

by Tudor Girba

This is great news. Thanks a lot for this effort! Doru > On Aug 20, 2016, at 3:24 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi > > I published a new version of the webportal (a packaged version of the mooc) with the help of thibault. Now I'm about to test that all the videos have indeed the correct subtitles. > > If you want to give me a hand or simply have a look > > http://rmod-pharo-mooc.lille.inria.fr/MOOC/WebPortal/co/pharo.html > > Once everything will be verified we will push it to the mooc web page and announce it. > > Stef > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Quality cannot be an afterthought."

Aug. 21, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Usability issue : the class/instance button in Pharo 5 gives poor feedback

by stepharo

If you have ideas let us know. In the past we changed for the radio because of that. What I do not like that is that we cannot press on a package when we are in hierarchy mode and this is super boring because it breask my flow. Stef Le 20/8/16 Ã 16:33, Oscar Nierstrasz a Ã©crit : > Well, as a user I want to see the current context as well. Thanks for pointing out that the methods and protocols on the class side are bold! Now that I know this I will watch for it; but it is not at all obvious. > > Following your point about buttons indicating what they would do, why not have the button say (C) when it would switch to the class view and (I) when it would switch back to the Instance view? > > Oscar > >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 02:15:06PM +0200, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Does anyone else find this to be a problem? I can never tell whether I am on the class or the instance side as the button toggle is non-obvious. In fact, the (C) is more clearly visible on the instance side, which is counter intuitive. >>> >>> I would rather see the name of the button change between ?Instance? and ?Class? so I always know where I am. >> This would be imho confusing, because you would always see the opposite (it's a button, so the label should state what should happen when you click on it, not describing the current context). >> >> But there is also another visual clue which always makes it obvious (for me at least) on which side I am: on class side all methods are bold. >> >> Peter >

Aug. 21, 2016