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Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

by Peter Uhnak

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:00:30PM +0200, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > Ok, now I know what I want. > > I want a better way to document. Because Iâm trying to write a documentation about my stuff, but there are too many disconnected ways to do that. Iâm trying to always have reasonable class comments. But sometimes you need a more general description, so you write help topics which are disconnected from class comments. Yes, we can add help topics generated from class comments but thatâs too weak. Additionally I version my projects on github, so I want t doc there in readme, or on a wiki. Whatâs more I think that itâs a good idea to export doc to the web. Because when someone mentioned package manifest I started to google for it and could not find anything. > > My suggestions: > - write comments in pillar and slowly add pillar support to enrich comment (documentation) styles > - add a possibility to reference classes/methods and help topics from pillar comments > - have exporters to generate html documentation about a project based on comments and help topics > - then I will be able to add a hook to Icebeg telling it: ok, on commit also generate a doc and export it as MarkDown (because we can) and commit it as a README or as a wiki entry or whatever. > > This way we will have interconnected documentation in the image, and if it should be placed somewhere else we export it. +14. Knowing that I cannot verify that the documentation is sync with code is very discouraging to even start writing the docs. When I was writing a chapter for agile visualization, I had the examples as independent scripts which I could execute (I believe Pillar has added executable examples since then). But there are more things than examples, e.g. a Travis could run "docs verification" that would look at all the code (so even method and class name references) and made sure they exist and are not, say, deprecated. As Pillar provides you with a real syntax tree this might not be so hard. At least personally the above could be a real value for me with Pillar, because up until now it was just another document format (and there's a lot of better ones) with poor infrastructure. But deep integration with Pharo could make it really valuable, and we are getting there. > - then I will be able to add a hook to Icebeg telling it: ok, on commit also generate a doc and export it as MarkDown (because we can) and commit it as a README or as a wiki entry or whatever. so close :) https://github.com/peteruhnak/IconFactory/blob/master/repository/BaselineOf… Peter

Aug. 31, 2016

why is gt playground not saving the code

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

At this point Iâve lost cumulatively hours and hours of work due to Playground not saving the code; so every time I crash I lose. In the picture below the code was demonstrably executed and yet itâs not in the history and if I would crash (which happens several times a day in âstableâ pharo 5) I would lose it. Not to mention that way too often I see duplicate events in the history with identical codeâ¦ Peter

Aug. 31, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Pharo 60

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Ok, now I know what I want. I want a better way to document. Because Iâm trying to write a documentation about my stuff, but there are too many disconnected ways to do that. Iâm trying to always have reasonable class comments. But sometimes you need a more general description, so you write help topics which are disconnected from class comments. Yes, we can add help topics generated from class comments but thatâs too weak. Additionally I version my projects on github, so I want t doc there in readme, or on a wiki. Whatâs more I think that itâs a good idea to export doc to the web. Because when someone mentioned package manifest I started to google for it and could not find anything. My suggestions: - write comments in pillar and slowly add pillar support to enrich comment (documentation) styles - add a possibility to reference classes/methods and help topics from pillar comments - have exporters to generate html documentation about a project based on comments and help topics - then I will be able to add a hook to Icebeg telling it: ok, on commit also generate a doc and export it as MarkDown (because we can) and commit it as a README or as a wiki entry or whatever. This way we will have interconnected documentation in the image, and if it should be placed somewhere else we export it. Cheers. Uko > On 24 Aug 2016, at 06:59, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi > > We have some ideas (because people are working on items) for the Pharo 6 roadmap > > and we will consolidate them soon and propose them to you. > > but I would like to know two kinds of points > > - what are the points you are working on and that would deserve more focus and help from the community? > > (these points are important because like that you could go faster and this is a good feeling to get done for example) > > - what would be points where (if magically we would get more resources - to not dream if this is not you > > there is a high chance that we will not make it) it would be nice to get some changes > > > Please pay attention that if you type too fast and come up with a christmas list well it will stay a christmas list and will just make the thread larger for nothing. > > Stef > >

Aug. 31, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 518075: 60194

by Marcus Denker

> On 31 Aug 2016, at 11:29, GitHub <noreply(a)github.com> wrote: > > > Log Message: > ----------- > 60194 > Moose > > http://files.pharo.org/image/60/60194.zip > > This update contains: - case 18965 (removed GTExample) - case 18596 Remove references from Glamour to Smalltalk evaluate: - case 18948 remove a direct reference to Compiler from GT tests - case 18923 inspector: improve "list methods using this variable" - case 18905 cleanup #withThorougMethodsReferTo:do: Marcus

Aug. 31, 2016

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

by GitHub

Branch: refs/tags/60194 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Aug. 31, 2016

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 518075: 60194

by GitHub

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Aug. 31, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] About the non-use of Announcer in Bloc

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-08-31 10:10 GMT+02:00 Glenn CavarlÃ© <glenn.cavarle(a)gmail.com>: > Hi all (I was out for some days), > Hi Glenn > > What i see is that Bloc EventRegistry: > 1) is not thread safe (no mutex + #select:thenDo:) > 2) doesn't allow handler removal from the handler list currently used in > the > thenDo: loop > 3) is used specifically for a one-to-many communication (1 BlElement -> X > handlers) > > The (1) doesn't seem to be a problem in Bloc during UI event processing > because a new event handler, even if it is added from another thread, would > be taken into account for the next event. > Problem that concurrent modification of OrderedCollection could just fail. You will got debugger. > I note that it is really not > recommended (at all) to update an UI element elsewhere than in the UI > thread > and it is like that in all other UI frameworks i know. > Does it means that I should not subscribe on UI events from different (not UI) processes? How to do this if it is needed? Should I always put subscription code into #defer: message (analogue)? In that case what to do if I need to be sure that I really subscribe on event and only after this continue my business logic process? > > The (2) is a very specific use case and i don't know if it is a real need > in > Bloc because this implies that an element has 2 handlers for the same event > and one of them has to remove the other before it is executed and during > the > same event processing (maybe more a conception issue than a common use > case...). In other cases, no problem for handler removal. > Very simple example: I want one shot handler for MouseMove to highlight element once to see that my mouse was moved around. So my handler will highlight target element and unsubscribe it immediately. Problem that if you do it on OrderedCollection during iteration you could skip one of the handlers. And probably some failures are also possible (debugger again). Of course you could say users do not do all of this. But what the alternative? And if people will do this by "incident" it will be very difficult to discover reasons. > > But maybe i miss some specific cases in (1) and in (2). > > To me, Announcer is really usefull and efficient when it is used as an > event > bus that can be shared between multiple objects. > For instance, it seems to be useless to use an Announcer in NewValueHolder > because it cannot be shared and it is only used internally to register > handlers and to propagate only the same event (ValueChanged) to them. What > is the gain of using a full featured Announcer in this case? > But in practice we never share any announcer instance. We always hide it inside owner object. ValueHolder is not specific example. Also ValueHolder is kind of active model for UI application which could be shared between different views. And when it will be modified in one view another view will be updated automatically. > > In Bloc the constraint is to propagate more than 2000 events/second without > to decrease fps, so we cannot afford to x4 the time to process events even > if Announcer is safer and better tested. > I wondering what the source of this constraint? Does Morphic follows it? I guess not, but all Pharo works quite well with it.

Aug. 31, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Binary selector and special characters

by Eliot Miranda

Oops. No need to add a step method; the increment method already exists: On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-08-29 21:38 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Le 29/08/2016 Ã 21:28, stepharo a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 29/8/16 Ã 17:45, Thierry Goubier a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>>> Hi Stef, >>>>> >>>>> 2016-08-29 11:42 GMT+02:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >>>>> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: >>>>> >>>>> Thierry >>>>> >>>>> If you have a better editor control even better :) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Syntax wise, one could consider "" to be inside a comment (i.e. >>>>>> do not split into two comments if encountered inside a comment, >>>>>> as it is done now). >>>>>> >>>>> This one could be nice too :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19011/Integrate-two-doubl >>>>> e-quotes-inside-comments >>>>> >>>>> I'll have the slice ready soon. Any comments on what that would mean >>>>> regarding the Smalltalk commonly accepted syntax if that feature is >>>>> integrated? >>>>> >>>> It will break compatibility for people using it now we should raise the >>>> topic and lets a chance to people to discuss about it. We could check >>>> before publishing if code contain nested comments. >>>> >>> >>> Hum. The slice should parse anything legal Smalltalk; just that it may >>> show less comments intervals (because in fact it will coalesce adjacent >>> comments). >>> >> >> Yes, I think the change for RBScanner is fine, it does not changes what >> kind of comments are accepted, only how they are assigned to >> the AST nodes (one vs. multiple comments). >> >> (BTW. do we have a function that would do the coalescing of intervals: >> >> (1 to:99) (100 to: 199) -> (1 to:199) >> >> ? ) >> > > Find attached something that works in Squeak 5 > > For example, standard parse will say that: >>> >>> '"this ""test"' is a token with two comments, intervals 1 to: 7 and 8 >>> to: 13. >>> >>> The slice makes that a single comment: >>> >>> '"this ""test"' is a token with one comment, interval 1 to: 13. >>> >>> Now, this has probably no impact on parsing smalltalk code. But it >>> changes a bit the language definition, so that's why I'd like comments on >>> it. >>> >>> I think that I would use them only when developing. >>>> >>> >>> Up to you :) >>> >>> The most interesting is to have the correct comment/uncomment behavior >>> in an editor... that one works independently and is quite cool. >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thierry >>>>> >>>> > _,,,^..^,,,_ > best, Eliot > -- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot

Aug. 31, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Binary selector and special characters

by Eliot Miranda

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2016-08-29 21:38 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > >> Le 29/08/2016 Ã 21:28, stepharo a Ã©crit : >> >>> >>> >>> Le 29/8/16 Ã 17:45, Thierry Goubier a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> Hi Stef, >>>> >>>> 2016-08-29 11:42 GMT+02:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >>>> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> >>>> If you have a better editor control even better :) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Syntax wise, one could consider "" to be inside a comment (i.e. >>>>> do not split into two comments if encountered inside a comment, >>>>> as it is done now). >>>>> >>>> This one could be nice too :) >>>> >>>> >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19011/Integrate-two-doubl >>>> e-quotes-inside-comments >>>> >>>> I'll have the slice ready soon. Any comments on what that would mean >>>> regarding the Smalltalk commonly accepted syntax if that feature is >>>> integrated? >>>> >>> It will break compatibility for people using it now we should raise the >>> topic and lets a chance to people to discuss about it. We could check >>> before publishing if code contain nested comments. >>> >> >> Hum. The slice should parse anything legal Smalltalk; just that it may >> show less comments intervals (because in fact it will coalesce adjacent >> comments). >> > > Yes, I think the change for RBScanner is fine, it does not changes what > kind of comments are accepted, only how they are assigned to > the AST nodes (one vs. multiple comments). > > (BTW. do we have a function that would do the coalescing of intervals: > > (1 to:99) (100 to: 199) -> (1 to:199) > > ? ) > Find attached something that works in Squeak 5 For example, standard parse will say that: >> >> '"this ""test"' is a token with two comments, intervals 1 to: 7 and 8 to: >> 13. >> >> The slice makes that a single comment: >> >> '"this ""test"' is a token with one comment, interval 1 to: 13. >> >> Now, this has probably no impact on parsing smalltalk code. But it >> changes a bit the language definition, so that's why I'd like comments on >> it. >> >> I think that I would use them only when developing. >>> >> >> Up to you :) >> >> The most interesting is to have the correct comment/uncomment behavior in >> an editor... that one works independently and is quite cool. >> >> Thierry >> >> Stef >>> >>> >>>> Thierry >>>> >>> _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot

Aug. 31, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] About the non-use of Announcer in Bloc

by Glenn CavarlÃ©

Hi all (I was out for some days), What i see is that Bloc EventRegistry: 1) is not thread safe (no mutex + #select:thenDo:) 2) doesn't allow handler removal from the handler list currently used in the thenDo: loop 3) is used specifically for a one-to-many communication (1 BlElement -> X handlers) The (1) doesn't seem to be a problem in Bloc during UI event processing because a new event handler, even if it is added from another thread, would be taken into account for the next event. I note that it is really not recommended (at all) to update an UI element elsewhere than in the UI thread and it is like that in all other UI frameworks i know. The (2) is a very specific use case and i don't know if it is a real need in Bloc because this implies that an element has 2 handlers for the same event and one of them has to remove the other before it is executed and during the same event processing (maybe more a conception issue than a common use case...). In other cases, no problem for handler removal. But maybe i miss some specific cases in (1) and in (2). To me, Announcer is really usefull and efficient when it is used as an event bus that can be shared between multiple objects. For instance, it seems to be useless to use an Announcer in NewValueHolder because it cannot be shared and it is only used internally to register handlers and to propagate only the same event (ValueChanged) to them. What is the gain of using a full featured Announcer in this case? In Bloc the constraint is to propagate more than 2000 events/second without to decrease fps, so we cannot afford to x4 the time to process events even if Announcer is safer and better tested. Regards, Glenn. ----- Glenn CavarlÃ© -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/About-the-non-use-of-Announcer-in-Bloc-tp4913008p4913… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 31, 2016