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Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by Dimitris Chloupis

Discord has video conference as part of the plans https://mobile.twitter.com/discordapp/status/746540447586263040 The problem I see with having more than 10 people is latency. Just a 1 sec latency is enough to make people talk one on top of each other, in real life things are even worse when you consider how many people are on a slow connection or problematic connection. Frankly I think chat is better, Blender has a meeting once a week to synchronize effort with over 10 devs participating at the same time. Their meeting are public but instruct the people not to chat while the meeting takes place unless they are blender developers. This method has worked for them for almost 20 years now. On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 at 10:50, philippe.back(a)highoctane.be < philippe.back(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Not true. > > Terf experience would help in focusing the meeting and make it like a real > assembly. > > We could take a conference theater with podium etc to make it work. > > I can help facilitating. > > And we can make an intro video to explain to people how they could just > sit their avatar to listen, raise the issues and use the chat or share a > window. > And go to the lectern to expose something. > > We can also screenrecord it all for reference and post it back to youtube > as a private video. > > Phil > > Le 9 sept. 2016 09:25, "Norbert Hartl" <norbert(a)hartl.name> a Ã©crit : > > Well, on the one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand nobody > will listen to the meeting because everyone's playing with terf :) > > Norbert > > Am 09.09.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum <ron(a)usmedrec.com>: > > > > Terf? www.3dicc.com > > > > Ron Teitelbaum > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > Esteban Lorenzano > > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM > > To: Pharo Development List > > Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video > conference service? > > > > Hi, > > > > In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public > meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). > > So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 > persons participating (this limit is annoying). > > Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections > (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? > > Do you have any other service we can try? > > > > Thanks, > > Esteban > > > > > > >

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by philippe.back＠highoctane.be

Not true. Terf experience would help in focusing the meeting and make it like a real assembly. We could take a conference theater with podium etc to make it work. I can help facilitating. And we can make an intro video to explain to people how they could just sit their avatar to listen, raise the issues and use the chat or share a window. And go to the lectern to expose something. We can also screenrecord it all for reference and post it back to youtube as a private video. Phil Le 9 sept. 2016 09:25, "Norbert Hartl" <norbert(a)hartl.name> a Ã©crit : Well, on the one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand nobody will listen to the meeting because everyone's playing with terf :) Norbert > Am 09.09.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum <ron(a)usmedrec.com>: > > Terf? www.3dicc.com > > Ron Teitelbaum > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Esteban Lorenzano > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM > To: Pharo Development List > Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service? > > Hi, > > In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). > So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 persons participating (this limit is annoying). > Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? > Do you have any other service we can try? > > Thanks, > Esteban > >

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by philippe.back＠highoctane.be

Why are we not using 3DICC Terf for these? Would work wonderfully. We can have a persistent area, sound and webcam support, slides, .... Ron, how would it work cost wise for the Pharo Consortium to handle meetings in your servers? Phil Le 9 sept. 2016 09:25, "Norbert Hartl" <norbert(a)hartl.name> a Ã©crit : > Well, on the one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand nobody > will listen to the meeting because everyone's playing with terf :) > > Norbert > > Am 09.09.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum <ron(a)usmedrec.com>: > > > > Terf? www.3dicc.com > > > > Ron Teitelbaum > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > Esteban Lorenzano > > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM > > To: Pharo Development List > > Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video > conference service? > > > > Hi, > > > > In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public > meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). > > So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 > persons participating (this limit is annoying). > > Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections > (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? > > Do you have any other service we can try? > > > > Thanks, > > Esteban > > > > > > >

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by Norbert Hartl

Well, on the one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand nobody will listen to the meeting because everyone's playing with terf :) Norbert > Am 09.09.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum <ron(a)usmedrec.com>: > > Terf? www.3dicc.com > > Ron Teitelbaum > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Esteban Lorenzano > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM > To: Pharo Development List > Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service? > > Hi, > > In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). > So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 persons participating (this limit is annoying). > Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? > Do you have any other service we can try? > > Thanks, > Esteban > >

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by Esteban Lorenzano

I would like to test terf, yes :) > On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:51, Ron Teitelbaum <ron(a)usmedrec.com> wrote: > > Terf? www.3dicc.com > > Ron Teitelbaum > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Esteban Lorenzano > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM > To: Pharo Development List > Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service? > > Hi, > > In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). > So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 persons participating (this limit is annoying). > Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? > Do you have any other service we can try? > > Thanks, > Esteban > >

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by Esteban Lorenzano

yeah, we are willing to payâ¦ not immense amounts, but the consortium can pay for having better meetings ;) Esteban > On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:54, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > In the commercial world WebEx is quite prominent. No idea what they offer for free. > > https://www.webex.com/ <https://www.webex.com/> > > But then usually only three or four people say anything. Should be a while to reach the limit. :) > > Norbert > Am 09.09.2016 um 08:46 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: > >> Hi, >> >> In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). >> So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 persons participating (this limit is annoying). >> Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? >> Do you have any other service we can try? >> >> Thanks, >> Esteban

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by Norbert Hartl

In the commercial world WebEx is quite prominent. No idea what they offer for free. https://www.webex.com/ But then usually only three or four people say anything. Should be a while to reach the limit. :) Norbert > Am 09.09.2016 um 08:46 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi, > > In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). > So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 persons participating (this limit is annoying). > Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? > Do you have any other service we can try? > > Thanks, > Esteban

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by Ron Teitelbaum

Terf? www.3dicc.com Ron Teitelbaum -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Esteban Lorenzano Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM To: Pharo Development List Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service? Hi, In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 persons participating (this limit is annoying). Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? Do you have any other service we can try? Thanks, Esteban

Sept. 9, 2016

[OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 persons participating (this limit is annoying). Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections (paying), but now I do not find itâ¦ maybe I was mistaken? Do you have any other service we can try? Thanks, Esteban

Sept. 9, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] FileDoesNotExist vs. FileDoesNotExistException

by Francisco Ortiz PeÃ±aloza

I do prefer the shorter name. Generally I avoid using exception as a suffix consistently if doesn't add information. Consistency is overrated :D On Thursday, 8 September 2016, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 08 Sep 2016, at 09:03, Guille Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > I'd argue also for consistency. When some exceptions are named > "Exception" and others are not, my eyes hurt. > > +1 > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > >> My very first thoughts are... > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:35 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>> Hi guys > >>> > >>> in > >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19026/Merge-FileDoesNotExist-and- > FileDoesNotExistException > >>> sven proposed to have > >>> > >>> FileDoesNotExist and remove the FileDoesNotExistException > >> This seems quite reasonable. It would be very hard to confuse the > >> semantics of FileDoesNotExist with something else. Also this is > >> probably something end-user-devs will use more frequently in their > >> application, so less verbose is better. > >> > >> The only thing that crosses my mind is perhaps discoverability... in > >> Spotter searching on "File" the drilling into classes and searching on > >> "Exception". Oh I just tried in Pharo 5 and it worked, there are > >> four. The other way to handle that might be for Spotter to have a > >> "KindOf" search. > >> > >> btw, in the Spotter preview pane when a class is selected, could the > >> class comment be displayed? > >> > >>> Before doing it I would like to have your point of view on the names. > For > >>> now I'm neutral and indeed if we apply it to exception > >>> > >>> it seems to work for announcement. Now in Spec I was planning to put > nearly > >>> systematically Presenter at the end of Presenters :). > >> Spec has more interrelated design pattern components. Its seems there > >> has been some confusion around the nomenclature of these components. > >> So the additional hint is probably beneficial. > >> > >> cheers -ben > >> > > > > > > >

Sept. 9, 2016