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[pharo-project/pharo-core] a9e59a: 60224

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Branch: refs/heads/6.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: a9e59aa91f1a228be0f2775026a7007eae3570c8 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/a9e59aa91f1a228be0f27750… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2016-09-15 (Thu, 15 Sep 2016) Changed paths: M Kernel.package/Metaclass.class/instance/instance creation/newAnonymousSubclass.st M SUnit-Core.package/TestExecutionEnvironment.class/instance/controlling/checkForkedProcesses.st M SUnit-Core.package/TestExecutionEnvironment.class/instance/controlling/runTestCase_.st A SUnit-Tests.package/SUnitTest.class/instance/private/failedTestWithFailedChildProcessTest.st A SUnit-Tests.package/SUnitTest.class/instance/testing/testChildProcessShouldNotBeStoredStronglyByTestEnvironment.st A SUnit-Tests.package/SUnitTest.class/instance/testing/testFailedChildProcessTestShouldNotEffectFollowingAnotherTest.st A SUnit-Tests.package/SUnitTest.class/instance/testing/testFailedTestWithFailedChildProcessTestShouldNotEffectFollowingAnotherTest.st R ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script60223.st A ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script60224.st R ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update60223.st A ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update60224.st M ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 60224 19092 TestExecutionEnvironment should clean all intercepted processes collections when test completes https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19092 19088 simplify newAnonymousSubclass in MetaClass https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19088 http://files.pharo.org/image/60/60224.zip

Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] [ann] pillar support in gtinspector

by Nicolai Hess

2016-09-14 22:47 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Hi Nicolai, > > Did you commit your changes with the highlight of == code? > > Cheers, > Doru > > No, but I just saw that I misinterpreted the "==", first I thought this is for "inline code" as it was used in some class comment like that. But it is actually a more general formatting tag for "monospaced font" - we actually don't need to do code highlighting for this text, just use a monospace font resp. code font. > > > On Sep 6, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > 2016-08-29 21:41 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > > Hi, > > > > I updated the Pillar support in GTInspector. Some of the extensions > already exist in the default Pillar #development version. If you want to > play with the full support, you can load it like this: > > > > Gofer new > > smalltalkhubUser: 'Moose' project: 'PetitParser'; > > package: 'PetitAnalyzer'; > > package: 'PetitIndent'; > > package: 'PetitIslands'; > > smalltalkhubUser: 'Moose' project: 'GToolkit'; > > package: 'GT-InspectorExtensions-Pillar'; > > load > > > > Then you can just inspect a book folder and you get this: > > > > <inspector-pillar.png> > > > > I did not integrate this in the main Pillar yet because this is an older > implementation based on a limited island parser. As now Pillar has a full > parser based on PetitParser, the next step is to move the highlighting > logic to use this parser instead of the island parser. From my > measurements, the speed of the two parsers is about the same, so from a > user perspective there will be not much changes. > > > > It pains me that we are editing Pillar in outside tools, and now we > should no longer have to do that. Of course, this is not the most ideal > tool support for Pillar but I think it is a reasonable start. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > nice! > > > > I just played a bit with the code to apply larger different font sizes > for the headings and > > use the code styler for inlined code ("=="). > > > > Maybe we should use a different code styler or add a way to instruct the > styler to ignore unknown classes or uknown selectors :) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > www.feenk.com > > > > "Problem solving should be focused on describing > > the problem in a way that makes the solution obvious." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Obvious things are difficult to teach." > > > > > >

Sept. 15, 2016

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/60223 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Sept. 15, 2016

[pharo-project/pharo-core] bced96: 60223

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Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 770d9c: 60222

by Marcus Denker

> > Log Message: > ----------- > 60222 > 19085 Integrate Epicea 8 > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19085 This is a big sync with Epicea, fixing and improving many things. Change log: - Pass on UI + search more consistent names (e.g. session -> log). - Replace "Session Browser" by "Log Set" from EpiceaHiedra experimental package. - Add EpMonitorModel, to manipulate EpMonitor via UI. - Rename: apply/revert instead of redo/undo. - Fix 18946: package does not exist when a category removal is announced. - Fixes for Dark theme. - Avoid using #name in some cases. - Make EpLogBrowser composable (it needs to be correctly initialized when created with #new). - Optimization: reuse entryReader with an instance variable. - Encapsulate morph creation to a new class: EpMorphFactory. - Delete Trait issue (case 19045): Avoid sending #name to nil. - Add EpMonitor>>debug setting - Ombu writing entries: Do not catch all Error but FileException. - Ombu: Move writing error handling to EpMonitor.

Sept. 15, 2016

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/60222 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Sept. 15, 2016

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 770d9c: 60222

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Branch: refs/heads/6.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 770d9c79e09519a835bf8150bbdec00018a3c054 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/770d9c79e09519a835bf8150… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2016-09-15 (Thu, 15 Sep 2016) Changed paths: A ConfigurationOfEpicea.package/ConfigurationOfEpicea.class/instance/baselines/baseline800_.st M ConfigurationOfEpicea.package/ConfigurationOfEpicea.class/instance/tags/development_.st M ConfigurationOfEpicea.package/ConfigurationOfEpicea.class/instance/tags/stable_.st A ConfigurationOfEpicea.package/ConfigurationOfEpicea.class/instance/versions/version800_.st A ConfigurationOfEpicea.package/ConfigurationOfEpicea.class/instance/versions/version801_.st M Epicea.package/EpAndFilter.class/definition.st M Epicea.package/EpCategoryChange.class/instance/initialization/packageNameFromCategoryName_.st R Epicea.package/EpCompositeRefactoring.class/instance/printing/summaryOn_.st M 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Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] edd9f3: 60220

by Tudor Girba

Hi, > On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > >>> >>> We can change it back and maybe add support for the reformatter to not convert it to the literal array #(3 #+ 4) . >> >> I do not know in fact this is why I asked :) >> Now may be my idea to use pragma to get something like pythondoctest is a bad idea >> but I really want to have literal programming. >> What do you think? >> > I like the idea to show examples/tests close to code, but pragmas are not really good... > >> If we have ' ' then it would be good that the syntax higlighter works with a special mode inside the ' ' > > it is just a string. How do you know that it contains code? > > Would you highlight all string in all code as if it contained code? Or would you add this just for > Pragmas? But even there, strings are string, not code. > > I think we can conclude that pragmas are not a good solution to the problem, as they are far > too limited to express code. I second that. Furthermore, typical examples require more than one liners, and these should be factored out separately. Cheers, Doru > > Marcus > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Every thing should have the right to be different."

Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] edd9f3: 60220

by Marcus Denker

>> >> We can change it back and maybe add support for the reformatter to not convert it to the literal array #(3 #+ 4) . > > I do not know in fact this is why I asked :) > Now may be my idea to use pragma to get something like pythondoctest is a bad idea > but I really want to have literal programming. > What do you think? > I like the idea to show examples/tests close to code, but pragmas are not really good... > If we have ' ' then it would be good that the syntax higlighter works with a special mode inside the ' ' it is just a string. How do you know that it contains code? Would you highlight all string in all code as if it contained code? Or would you add this just for Pragmas? But even there, strings are string, not code. I think we can conclude that pragmas are not a good solution to the problem, as they are far too limited to express code. Marcus

Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Regular tech hangouts every month

by Ben Coman

An all-way video linkup is not necessarily required. The two use cases would be: * Topic presentations - during presentation, one way voice of presenter, questions via text or queue via text, similar to radio talkback show. - possibly live broadcast video. - maybe Discord+Twitch [1]. - maybe Teamspeak+OpenBroadcast [2] * General business - all-way voice only. Check the tools used by gamers [3]. Discord is not on that list but it compared favorably when I was researching it a while ago. [1] http://www.pcgamer.com/one-year-after-its-launch-discord-is-the-best-voip-s… [2] https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/teamspeak-3-plugin.40/ [3] http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dont-get-fragged-5-must-have-free-voice-chat-c… cheers -ben On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My recommendation is that you use a live text chat whatever else you use. > Generally speaking most video chat clients also include a text chat. A live > text chat would allow for more people to participate especially people on > slow connections. Of course the more people join on a video chat the bigger > the latency. Voice chat is also tricky for long conversations because you > have no indication when someone wants to talk or when someone is about to > talk so people tend to talk one over the other which happens also on video > chat too. > > So by starting with a live text you allow a lot of people to participate to > the coversation, also in a live text chat you can have several conversations > going on at the same time which makes things also a lot easier and faster. > > I have done Google Hangouts in the past, it was ok, the advantage of the > hangouts and video chat is that it is dead easy to share a screen so its > easy to show people what you talking about. I would not try Google Hangouts > or any other video chat with more than 10 people, it would be crazy 20 > people trying to find an opportunity to speak and the latency making things > harder. > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:14 PM stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> Hi esteban >> >> to get started we should use something that does not require videos and >> see how it works. >> >> My teenagers at home use discord.... :( >> >> and they told me it works well. >> >> >> Stef >> >> Le 14/9/16 Ã 14:50, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >> > Hi, >> > >> > Last board meeting we decided to take some actions to improve >> > communication and one of the ideas we had is to start some regular meetings >> > each month, to talk about current release development issues. >> > >> > Since Iâm the one who will do it, I decided: >> > >> > - I will handle those meetings every last Tuesday of every month at 16h >> > UTC (So people from America-The-Continent can joinâ¦ Yes, is a continent, not >> > a country) >> > - I will send main topic one week earlier (but it will be an open >> > QA/brainstorm session). >> > - You can send me topics you want to discuss anytime >> > - I will *invite* (I mean: force) relevant people for topics to talk >> > (for example, Denis to talk about remote debugging, Pavel/Guille/Christophe >> > about bootstrap) >> > >> > I still do not know the medium: >> > - terf? problem is that a) everybody needs to install a client (is not >> > heavy, but I think there is no linux client) and b) I still donât know how >> > the thing works ;) (but it would be cool to use a smalltalk app). >> > - hangouts? Iâm fed up with the 10 limitâ¦ we (the consortium) are >> > willing to pay some (not *much*, but some) to have better sessions (we need >> > them also for consortium meetings who always runs out of slots). >> > - other? >> > >> > Well, I will sort out this before the meeting :) >> > >> > Anywayâ¦ next tech meeting will beâ¦ (suspenseâ¦)â¦ >> > >> > Tuesday 27 September 16h UTC >> > >> > cheers, >> > Esteban >> > >> >> >

Sept. 15, 2016