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Re: [Pharo-dev] Traits explicitRequirement -- and TClassDescription

by stepharo

I would like to remove traits users from metaclass class description. I do not think that they are worht hteh complexity they bring. Stef Le 26/9/16 Ã 16:16, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > I'm not familiar with the #explicitRequirement I see sent in Slice 17798. > Could someone explain why that is better than calling... > self setName: aSymbol. > > > Also, another thing I've been curious about for a while, what is the > advantage of having TClassDescription when it only has one user > ClassDescription? > > > cheers -ben > >

Sept. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [REMEMBER] Tech meeting rue 27/09 16UTC - We'll talk about current PharoVM ongoing development

by Esteban Lorenzano

Ah yes, I forget the âsmall detailâ of linking my channel :) https://www.livecoding.tv/estebanlm/ <https://www.livecoding.tv/estebanlm/> (I never tried, so this can fail ;) cheers, Esteban > On 26 Sep 2016, at 16:40, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > I will handle the first tech meeting tomorrow, as preview. > After several considerations, I will be trying âlivecoding.tvâ (no idea if this is worst or better than twitchâ¦ and Iâm not very happy with the fact that this is a âtv formatâ and not a âconversation formatâ, but well, weâll see how it goes, maybe weâll need to review this later). > > Subject of meeting tomorrow is a general overview about current work on PharoVM, so prepare your questions, and see you there! > > cheers, > Esteban

Sept. 26, 2016

[REMEMBER] Tech meeting rue 27/09 16UTC - We'll talk about current PharoVM ongoing development

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hello, I will handle the first tech meeting tomorrow, as preview. After several considerations, I will be trying âlivecoding.tvâ (no idea if this is worst or better than twitchâ¦ and Iâm not very happy with the fact that this is a âtv formatâ and not a âconversation formatâ, but well, weâll see how it goes, maybe weâll need to review this later). Subject of meeting tomorrow is a general overview about current work on PharoVM, so prepare your questions, and see you there! cheers, Esteban

Sept. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Traits explicitRequirement -- and TClassDescription

by Max Leske

> On 26 Sep 2016, at 15:16, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > I'm not familiar with the #explicitRequirement I see sent in Slice 17798. > Could someone explain why that is better than calling... > self setName: aSymbol. > Traits donât have instance variables, so you somehow need to tell users to implement the methods that are supposed to write / read instance variables. Also, as traits are not classes, #subclassResponsibility isnât entirely correct semantically. > > Also, another thing I've been curious about for a while, what is the > advantage of having TClassDescription when it only has one user > ClassDescription? > > > cheers -ben >

Sept. 26, 2016

Traits explicitRequirement -- and TClassDescription

by Ben Coman

I'm not familiar with the #explicitRequirement I see sent in Slice 17798. Could someone explain why that is better than calling... self setName: aSymbol. Also, another thing I've been curious about for a while, what is the advantage of having TClassDescription when it only has one user ClassDescription? cheers -ben

Sept. 26, 2016

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Sept. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] comparison statistics

by Dimitris Chloupis

Well no complains from me, I think Pharo is doing great. Hope I can find a nice way to use it with a C++ executable, so I can use it in my games. On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:01 AM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Of course the saying goes "There are three types of lies: lies, damn > lies and statistics" > But assuming some estimate with no data is equally fallible. > Yes the committers list is obviously just "main developers" but > equally as I consider the > names on the Pharo About page, these are not drive-by one-bug-fix > contributors. > > One significant difference between contributing to Pharo and > contributing to Python > is the additional barrier of entry to *stop* developing you > application and "invest the time > to learn the tool chain(s)(make, ReST, regrtest, svnmerge/svndiff, > sphinx, etc)" [1]. > > Python users are more likely to workaround an issue [2]. Whereas in > Pharo, the system comes > ready to debug by default. Your workaround with Pharo is as likely to > change something in > core system code as change something in your app code. > > [1] http://jessenoller.com/2010/04/22/why-arent-you-contributing-to-python > [2] > https://tech.blog.aknin.name/2010/04/23/why-dont-i-contribute-to-python-oft… > > cheers -ben > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Allow me to be very skeptical, are you sure your numbers is not main > > contributors because I find it hard to believe that Python that has > around 2 > > million coders world wide > > > > https://blog.pythonanywhere.com/67/ > > > > has ONLY 92 total contributors ? I would assume an estimate of around > 1000 > > including those that have just one simple bug fix. > > > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:31 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > >> > >> Just bumped into some interesting statistics to consider when the > >> minor worry occasionally arises that Pharo is not more popular. > >> > >> One aspect to measure the liveness and success of a project is the > >> number of developers contributing to it. From the attached png, here > >> are the number of developers for some very popular projects... > >> 57 Apache > >> 40 Ant > >> 92 Python > >> 25 Perl > >> 29 PostgrSQL > >> > >> and from the list of contributors at http://pharo.org/about > >> 91 Pharo > >> > >> Now some care is the comparison since the first group are from 2006 > >> and Pharo is 2016, and maybe the Pharo is an all-of-time list of > >> contributors. > >> > >> But Python's 2016 committers list has 138 names > >> https://hg.python.org/committers.txt > >> > >> and Github shows all-of-time list of contributors of 100 > >> https://github.com/python/cpython/graphs/contributors > >> where you can see from individual graphs that many have not committed > >> for years.. > >> > >> > >> So with caution I think we can take away that while Pharo does not > >> *yet* have the hordes of followers some other languages have, the > >> Pharo project is doing a reasonable job of attracting the interest of > >> contributing developers, which is a key indicator for future success. > >> > >> cheers -ben > >

Sept. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] AbstractLayout class comment

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > yes, needs update. can you add an issue? https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?19142 P.S. If its easier for you to type the comment here, I can issue to slice. cheers -ben > >> On 26 Sep 2016, at 07:50, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> >> Minor thing... >> AbstractLayout class comment says... >> >> "There are special cases of layouts without slots, like NilLayout or >> BitsLayout." >> >> but I see no NilLayout in the system. Did this become EmptyLayout? >> >> cheers -ben >> > >

Sept. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] glitches in text selection

by Nicolai Hess

2016-09-25 4:50 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > Nicolai Hess-3-2 wrote > > Yes, see case 19113, fixed in 60233 > > Is this related to > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19036/Bizarre-Text- > Selection-in-Pharo-5-0 No. > > ? If so, I strongly suggest we backport it. The inaccurate text selection > in > 5.0 is a workflow killer!! > I think 19036 only happens on a mac. I can not reproduce it on windows or linux. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ > glitches-in-text-selection-tp4916366p4917003.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Sept. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] AbstractLayout class comment

by Marcus Denker

yes, needs update. can you add an issue? > On 26 Sep 2016, at 07:50, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > Minor thing... > AbstractLayout class comment says... > > "There are special cases of layouts without slots, like NilLayout or > BitsLayout." > > but I see no NilLayout in the system. Did this become EmptyLayout? > > cheers -ben >

Sept. 26, 2016