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Re: [Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 22 Dec 2016, at 20:21, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > On 21/12/16 17:34, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack >> >> It is really sad that these things happen, that so many innocent >> people are killed and hurt. It makes me even more sad that I seem to >> be getting used to this, that should not be the case, at all. > > Monday evening I was dancing tango at a nice milonga in the south of > Berlin, as dancers started getting lots of messages asking if they were > ok. That christmas market was the one where I was only three weeks > ago with a few colleagues to say goodby to one of us leaving the project. On tuesday morning we started a two day company hackathon, just one block away from there. The truck was still at the place of the tragedy. Somehow we managed to focus on the things we could influence and achieve: working together in creating something (in Pharo). > > Sad, and determined to not give in to fear or anger > Stephan That is a beautiful reaction !

Dec. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Raspberry, how? Who?

by Igor Stasenko

so, as i understand VM comes by default with raspbian installation, or what? and what are those: https://bintray.com/estebanlm/pharo-vm/download_file?file_path=pharo-linux-… ? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Dec. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19

by Stephan Eggermont

On 21/12/16 17:34, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack > > It is really sad that these things happen, that so many innocent > people are killed and hurt. It makes me even more sad that I seem to > be getting used to this, that should not be the case, at all. Monday evening I was dancing tango at a nice milonga in the south of Berlin, as dancers started getting lots of messages asking if they were ok. That christmas market was the one where I was only three weeks ago with a few colleagues to say goodby to one of us leaving the project. On tuesday morning we started a two day company hackathon, just one block away from there. The truck was still at the place of the tragedy. Somehow we managed to focus on the things we could influence and achieve: working together in creating something (in Pharo). Sad, and determined to not give in to fear or anger Stephan

Dec. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Raspberry, how? Who?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Igor, Last time I tried I succeeded like this http://forum.world.st/Cog-VM-on-Raspberry-Pi-tt4919105.html Sven > On 22 Dec 2016, at 17:41, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi there, > i have this cute device on my hands, > and wanna show my colleges how cool Pharo is.. > i remember Pavel shown us once, that it works and possible, > and i would like to try as well.. > since i hate python, and i would much more prefer to run humane-friendly language, > such as our beloved smalltalk rather than prehistoric-era scripting language :) > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Dec. 22, 2016

Pharo on Raspberry, how? Who?

by Igor Stasenko

Hi there, i have this cute device on my hands, and wanna show my colleges how cool Pharo is.. i remember Pavel shown us once, that it works and possible, and i would like to try as well.. since i hate python, and i would much more prefer to run humane-friendly language, such as our beloved smalltalk rather than prehistoric-era scripting language :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Dec. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19

by Brad

Please, can we keep this kind discussion off of this board. If you want to discuss then please email each other directly or find another venue. Brad Selfridge > On Dec 22, 2016, at 9:24 AM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > Truth be told, terrorists are no match for the Snow White people. > > I am more afraid of groups like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas than of terrorists. > > First, these groups are better organized, have unlimited funding, and generally walk the talk. > And do not need to make that constant noise about their business, as they are woven into the very business fabric of society. > > When terrorists will clash with those business interests, terrorists will be dealt with very quickly. > > Back to Pharoing. > > Phil > > >> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:21 PM Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:20:36AM +0000, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: >>> > To talk about regression is to not be aware of how extremely lucky and >>> > privileged we are to live in a time that experts call "the long peace" . >>> > Never in the recorded human history there were so few wars worldwide and as >>> > much poverty and it continuously gets better even in this time of global >>> > economic crisis. >>> >>> Global Peace Index assesment for 2016 just came out, I recommend going through it. >>> >>> http://static.visionofhumanity.org/sites/default/files/GPI%202016%20Report_… >>> >>> >> >> https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*y_hOa2btFnCSq9YO.jpg >> >

Dec. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19

by phil＠highoctane.be

Truth be told, terrorists are no match for the Snow White people. I am more afraid of groups like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas than of terrorists. First, these groups are better organized, have unlimited funding, and generally walk the talk. And do not need to make that constant noise about their business, as they are woven into the very business fabric of society. When terrorists will clash with those business interests, terrorists will be dealt with very quickly. Back to Pharoing. Phil On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:21 PM Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:20:36AM +0000, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: >> > To talk about regression is to not be aware of how extremely lucky and >> > privileged we are to live in a time that experts call "the long peace" . >> > Never in the recorded human history there were so few wars worldwide >> and as >> > much poverty and it continuously gets better even in this time of global >> > economic crisis. >> >> Global Peace Index assesment for 2016 just came out, I recommend going >> through it. >> >> http://static.visionofhumanity.org/sites/default/files/GPI%202016% >> 20Report_2.pdf >> >> >> > https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*y_hOa2btFnCSq9YO.jpg > >

Dec. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19

by phil＠highoctane.be

This is perfectly relevant to Pharo, given we have Grafoscopio http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/index.en.html and have the tooling necessary to produce the maps with a toolchain owned and made by the people. That we should move this to Pharo-Users, yep. At the bottom of the Grafoscopio page: lots of cases Phil On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > I don't think this list is the proper place for discussing politics. So > can we please not do it? > > thanks, > > Norbert > > Am 22.12.2016 um 11:20 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > > I completely agree with you Phil, the real tragedy is this Berlin tragedy > will be the excuse to funnel billion of euros into a war that will bring > zero results , billions that could be invested not only to save 30 or even > a thousand lives but millions of lives. > > To talk about regression is to not be aware of how extremely lucky and > privileged we are to live in a time that experts call "the long peace" . > Never in the recorded human history there were so few wars worldwide and as > much poverty and it continuously gets better even in this time of global > economic crisis. > > As a matter of fact the biggest problems we face are the result of this > long peace and prosperity . Top ones being over population and climate > change. > > In both cases of positives and negative we experience the profound effects > of exponential growth. This crazy curve of constant growth that start small > and much later increases in insane rates which has massive positive and > negative effects. Its a crazy ride and will only get massively more crazy > soon enough, especially now with the coming of the AI revolution. > > I wonder the role Pharo will play in all this :) > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:56 AM phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > wrote: > >> Regression? Consider that 1 human on 5 is under the poverty line vs 1 on >> 2 not so many years ago and that a large percentage of the human population >> has been schooled in elementary matters (again, not the case not so far in >> the past). >> >> That is a massive improvement! >> >> Despite terrorist casualties, which compared to flu or car crashes, or >> even toddlers shooting relatives with guns is two orders of magnitude less, >> we live in the safest environment we have ever had. Not a regression at all. >> >> http://www.fayard.fr/histoire-du-terrorisme-9782213687308 has a pretty >> useful background on their logic. Terrorism is the weapon of the weak in >> terms of fighting force, otherwise they would engage in a full on war to >> conquer the territory. >> >> The psychological impact is just out of proportions vs the number of >> casualties. >> >> I got rammed into by a truck last week and could have been killed. That's >> just a mundane occurence that statistically kills more people than any >> terrorist attack would. >> >> Ref: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_de_la_route_en_France "Et >> depuis 1945, les chiffres sont aussi Ã©difiants, car il faut parler d'au >> moins 500 000 morts, soit l'Ã©quivalent d'un grand conflit majeur, ou >> l'Ã©quivalent des pertes humaines subies en France lors de la Seconde Guerre >> mondiale." >> >> Not to mention domestic accidents: "Chaque annÃ©e en France, prÃ¨s de >> 20 000 personnes dÃ©cÃ¨dent dans un accident domestique, c'est trois fois >> plus que sur la route."" Plus de la moitiÃ© des accidents de la vie >> courante concerne des enfants de 0 Ã 16 ans. Et malgrÃ© les progrÃ¨s >> accomplis depuis les annÃ©es 80, c'est pour eux une des principales causes >> de dÃ©cÃ¨s prÃ©maturÃ©s. Produits mÃ©nagers ou mÃ©dicaments accessibles, chaise >> haute non sanglÃ©e, table Ã langer instable. en quelques minutes, la vie >> peut tourner au drame. Il faut savoir que chez les tout-petits, c'est Ã >> l'intÃ©rieur de la maison que se situe le danger" >> >> Best course of action is to keep on trucking and be a productive element >> of society. No matter what. YOLO after all. >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:44 PM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> Indeed, immensely sad. Humanity is under regression. >> When you see that in Mali they destroyed the oldest world library. >> What sadden me the most is that in case of attacks in France, these >> attacks were made by brainwashed french >> citezen against french citizen contrary to what ugly "politician" would >> like that we think. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack >> >> It is really sad that these things happen, that so many innocent people >> are killed and hurt. It makes me even more sad that I seem to be getting >> used to this, that should not be the case, at all. >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> >> >> >

Dec. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19

by Dimitris Chloupis

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 1:21 PM Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:20:36AM +0000, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > To talk about regression is to not be aware of how extremely lucky and > > privileged we are to live in a time that experts call "the long peace" . > > Never in the recorded human history there were so few wars worldwide and > as > > much poverty and it continuously gets better even in this time of global > > economic crisis. > > Global Peace Index assesment for 2016 just came out, I recommend going > through it. > > > http://static.visionofhumanity.org/sites/default/files/GPI%202016%20Report_… > > > https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*y_hOa2btFnCSq9YO.jpg

Dec. 22, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Berlin 2016-12-19

by Peter Uhnak

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:48:28AM +0000, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > I don't see anywhere me mentioning my support for a political party or > ideology or even mention politics at all. > > You must have a very abstract definition of "politics". Rather you have a very narrow definition of politics. > > Funny thing is that you could not quote the most inappropriate case because > I am completely against any form of politics including anarchism. You cannot not have politics. > > I don't think this list is the proper place for discussing politics. So > > can we please not do it? Sorry. Peter

Dec. 22, 2016