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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Calypso system browser

by stepharong

I love the name. :) and I want to thank Alain for not complaining that we stole the name of one of his projects :) It deserves a little explanation..... Nautilus was a submarine of Jules Verne. Calypso is the boat of commandant Cousteau. Now calypso is more than a browser: it is a model and really nice because without case and tests everywhere. Stef

Dec. 27, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Calypso system browser

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-12-27 22:01 GMT+01:00 Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com>: > The tests icons should be align on the right of the list I think. But > this should be improve directly on the widget. Right icons aligned and > if the text is too long, cut it, add 'â¦' and show it on the hoover. Or > if you don't want to cut the text and add a scrollbar, the icons should > be align to the left. > Nice idea. Now every cell in table has definitionMorph before name and extra morphs after it. Plugins decide how to fill and decorate them. And currently table is single column. I think it would be nice to put all this morphs in separate columns which will provide good alignment.

Dec. 27, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Calypso system browser

by stepharong

Thanks denis. :) Now let us make sure that we can deprecated our old friend nautilus :) Stef > Hi > > I am glad announce first initial version of new system browser called > Calypso. > It is implemented from scratch with idea to build model suitable for > remote scenario.But as result it leads to more important goal: provide > clean implementation of browser which people could understand and evolve. > > Calypso supports most features from Nautilus but also miss many of them. > And there are many not nicely looking parts of UI which require more > work. > But in same time Calypso provides many new cool features with clean > implementation underhood. I put many things from other smalltalks and > old browsers which I always miss. > > I release Calypso in the state where I finish most design decisions > which I think important for project evolution. > Of course there are a lot of things to do and improve. But browser is > fully working. And now it is important to community to participate in > project and make browser great again :). We need escape >from Nautilus > pasta world. > Please report any ideas/bugs on github page > https://github.com/dionisiydk/Calypso/issues. I already fill it with my > wishes. > > Next step I will work on documentation/class comments and I will publish > couple of posts about Calypso internals. > > Read more details on my blog. It includes pictures, videos and loading > script. > > Best regards, > Denis -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Dec. 27, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Calypso system browser

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-12-27 22:01 GMT+01:00 Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com>: > > This is really cool :) > > On the pure design side, two things that hits my eyes are the toggle > buttons and the test icon on the package list. > > The toggle buttons looks reallyâ¦ "Old". I agree Cyril. Thank's for feedback. Definitely current UI design is not the end. It is just the start, the simple way how to arrange current browser features. Now toolbar looks bad but it provides desired features which allow to be more effective than with Nautilus. That's idea: implement functions and then start to think about design. But not alone. I am not good in design and I hope together we could provide good look&feel for desired features. Now what you see in Calypso is my wishes which I want to be covered by design. So as I said: let's make browser great again :).

Dec. 27, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Calypso system browser

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

Le 27/12/2016 Ã 17:12, Denis Kudriashov a Ã©crit : > Hi > > I am glad announce first initial version of new system browser called > Calypso. > It is implemented from scratch with idea to build model suitable for > remote scenario. > But as result it leads to more important goal: provide clean > implementation of browser which people could understand and evolve. > > Calypso supports most features from Nautilus but also miss many of them. > And there are many not nicely looking parts of UI which require more work. > But in same time Calypso provides many new cool features with clean > implementation underhood. I put many things from other smalltalks and > old browsers which I always miss. > > I release Calypso in the state where I finish most design decisions > which I think important for project evolution. > Of course there are a lot of things to do and improve. But browser is > fully working. And now it is important to community to participate in > project and make browser great again :). We need escape from Nautilus > pasta world. > Please report any ideas/bugs on github page > https://github.com/dionisiydk/Calypso/issues. I already fill it with my > wishes. > > Next step I will work on documentation/class comments and I will publish > couple of posts about Calypso internals. > > Read more details on my blog > <http://dionisiydk.blogspot.fr/2016/12/calypso-new-system-browser-for-pharo.…>. > It includes pictures, videos and loading script. > > Best regards, > Denis This is really cool :) On the pure design side, two things that hits my eyes are the toggle buttons and the test icon on the package list. The toggle buttons looks reallyâ¦ "Old". The tests icons should be align on the right of the list I think. But this should be improve directly on the widget. Right icons aligned and if the text is too long, cut it, add 'â¦' and show it on the hoover. Or if you don't want to cut the text and add a scrollbar, the icons should be align to the left. I did not had the time to try it now but I look forward to it :) Thanks Denis! -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 2 rue Jacques PrÃ©vert 01, 59650 Villeneuve d'ascq France

Dec. 27, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Calypso system browser

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Yes, very cool, great work! > On 27 Dec 2016, at 19:06, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Ah, this XMas present! > > Thx Denis. > > Phil > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > I am glad announce first initial version of new system browser called Calypso. > It is implemented from scratch with idea to build model suitable for remote scenario. > But as result it leads to more important goal: provide clean implementation of browser which people could understand and evolve. > > Calypso supports most features from Nautilus but also miss many of them. And there are many not nicely looking parts of UI which require more work. > But in same time Calypso provides many new cool features with clean implementation underhood. I put many things from other smalltalks and old browsers which I always miss. > > I release Calypso in the state where I finish most design decisions which I think important for project evolution. > Of course there are a lot of things to do and improve. But browser is fully working. And now it is important to community to participate in project and make browser great again :). We need escape from Nautilus pasta world. > Please report any ideas/bugs on github page https://github.com/dionisiydk/Calypso/issues. I already fill it with my wishes. > > Next step I will work on documentation/class comments and I will publish couple of posts about Calypso internals. > > Read more details on my blog. It includes pictures, videos and loading script. > > Best regards, > Denis >

Dec. 27, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Calypso system browser

by phil＠highoctane.be

Ah, this XMas present! Thx Denis. Phil On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > I am glad announce first initial version of new system browser called > Calypso. > It is implemented from scratch with idea to build model suitable for > remote scenario. > But as result it leads to more important goal: provide clean > implementation of browser which people could understand and evolve. > > Calypso supports most features from Nautilus but also miss many of them. > And there are many not nicely looking parts of UI which require more work. > But in same time Calypso provides many new cool features with clean > implementation underhood. I put many things from other smalltalks and old > browsers which I always miss. > > I release Calypso in the state where I finish most design decisions which > I think important for project evolution. > Of course there are a lot of things to do and improve. But browser is > fully working. And now it is important to community to participate in > project and make browser great again :). We need escape from Nautilus pasta > world. > Please report any ideas/bugs on github page https://github.com/dionisiydk/ > Calypso/issues. I already fill it with my wishes. > > Next step I will work on documentation/class comments and I will publish > couple of posts about Calypso internals. > > Read more details on my blog > <http://dionisiydk.blogspot.fr/2016/12/calypso-new-system-browser-for-pharo.…>. > It includes pictures, videos and loading script. > > Best regards, > Denis >

Dec. 27, 2016

[Ann] Calypso system browser

by Denis Kudriashov

Hi I am glad announce first initial version of new system browser called Calypso. It is implemented from scratch with idea to build model suitable for remote scenario. But as result it leads to more important goal: provide clean implementation of browser which people could understand and evolve. Calypso supports most features from Nautilus but also miss many of them. And there are many not nicely looking parts of UI which require more work. But in same time Calypso provides many new cool features with clean implementation underhood. I put many things from other smalltalks and old browsers which I always miss. I release Calypso in the state where I finish most design decisions which I think important for project evolution. Of course there are a lot of things to do and improve. But browser is fully working. And now it is important to community to participate in project and make browser great again :). We need escape from Nautilus pasta world. Please report any ideas/bugs on github page https://github.com/dionisiydk/Calypso/issues. I already fill it with my wishes. Next step I will work on documentation/class comments and I will publish couple of posts about Calypso internals. Read more details on my blog <http://dionisiydk.blogspot.fr/2016/12/calypso-new-system-browser-for-pharo.…>. It includes pictures, videos and loading script. Best regards, Denis

Dec. 27, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] IDNA / punycode for Zinc?

by Yoshihiko Kubota

Hi I wrote PunycodeConverter.Â I received a mail from Sven. But I overlooked. I already sent a mail to Seven.Â Please use my code. But it need to kaizen.Â http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~dTriangle/Punycode On 2016å¹´11æ24æ¥ at 4:14:16, phil(a)highoctane.be (phil(a)highoctane.be) wrote: I am always amazed about the cool things I can learn from this list. Phil On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: :) Nice. > On 23 Nov 2016, at 16:51, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19383/IDNA-punycode-for-Zinc > > After loading > > Name: Punycode-dTriangle.8 > Author: dTriangle > Time: 26 August 2013, 10:19:11.728 am > UUID: 6493a3ee-43bb-44f0-86a8-5aa47a9b42ff > Ancestors: Punycode-dTriangle.7 > > I can do the following > > 'http://Ã¼ni.ch' asUrl. > > "http://xn--ni-wka.ch/" > > 'http://Ã¼ni.ch' asUrl retrieveContents includesSubstring: 'Ãni'. > > "true" > > Done ;-) > > Thank you, https://twitter.com/osashimitabenai, well done ! > > Sven > >> On 23 Nov 2016, at 15:43, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> >>> On 23 Nov 2016, at 15:36, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Great! >>> >>> Thereâs a punycode implementation on smalltalkhub (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~dTriangle/Punycode) but it needs some polishing. >> >> Wow, that looks good, it even has ZnUrl integration, so we're done ;-) >> >> There are no tests though. >> >> How come we never heard of this ? >> >> Last commit was in 2013, hopefully the author is still around. >> >>> Should I open an issue on FogBugz so we donât forget? >> >> Yes, OK. >> >>> Max >>> >>>> On 23 Nov 2016, at 15:00, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Max, >>>> >>>>> On 23 Nov 2016, at 14:34, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi (Sven), >>>>> >>>>> Zinc canât currently handle unicode domain names (e.g. http://Ã¼ni.ch) Are there any plans to implement punycode / IDNA conversion for Zinc? Or is there an explicit reason not to support it? I see that # parseHostPort: expects the host portion to be percent escaped, what is the use case for this? I have never seen a percent escaped host portion. Usually the host portion is either pure ASCII, unicode or punycode (in my experience at least). >>>>> >>>>> Just curious, as I just added IDNA conversion to one of our applications (I just let python perform the conversion: https://docs.python.org/2/library/codecs.html#module-encodings.idna) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Max >>>> >>>> Yes, that would be nice to have. >>>> >>>> Just for future reference, we are talking about the following (IDN(A)): >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3490 >>>> https://www.charset.org/punycode >>>> >>>> Normal DNS hostnames are ASCII only (or used to be like that anyway), that is why it is (currently) implemented like that. >>>> >>>> Sven >>>> >>>> >>> >> > >

Dec. 27, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Epicea user experience report

by serge.stinckwich＠gmail.com

Ok I see ;-) Tools can have cool names but items in menus should be understandable by everyone including beginners. EnvoyÃ© de mon iPhone > Le 27 dÃ©c. 2016 Ã 11:39, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > this is a debate we have with Stef time to time: > > my side: just descriptive names that explain them selves what they do. > Stefâs side: cool fantasy names, that have some âpunchâ. > > After more than 2 years arguing... both arguments have pros and cons :) > for example we can have several browsers then we need to identify them and just call them âclass browserâ is not enough. But of course, a newbie will have a hard time trying to figure out what âNautilusâ meansâ¦ > (btwâ¦ the world many says "system browserâ and not âNautilusâ but then we have âmonticello browserâ and not âSCM package browserââ¦ and later we will have âIcebergâ and not âSCM project browserââ¦ so is not consistent either... also if everything is a browser then nothing is, etc., etc., etc. :) > > â¦ now, what I would like is a way to find tools both from his fantasy name and function (for example: âEpicea" and "change loggerâ)â¦ and a way to list those tools/components in both waysâ¦ > Yeah, Iâm aware this approach âsolvesâ a problem by adopting both solutions instead proposing a synthesis, but wellâ¦ this is the better I was able to elaborate :) > > Any ideas are welcome, both on whatâs better and how to implement it. > > Esteban > >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 11:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Am 27.12.2016 um 10:49 schrieb Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> I do not care a lot. BTW, what about other tools in the same manu such as Komitter and Versionner? >> >> It has a cool name that describes what it does. Putting Epicea in front of it does not add information only confusion. Versionner and Kommiter carry some meaning in their name. But have a better descriptive/more generic name would be good. >> >> Norbert >> > >

Dec. 27, 2016