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Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by stepharong

We should make it available from the catalog :) > > 2017-03-06 9:29 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 09:22, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2017-03-06 8:20 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:57, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-6.0-Issue-Validator-simple/7294/artifac… >>>>> is not integrated for some Monkey reason anyway - still should b/c >>>>> if you >>>>>put sublimish, you need a decent matching Spotter. >>>>> >>>>> Also, I see >>>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19796/Remove-duplicate-code-from-Sublimis… >>>>> on 5/3. If this moves forward, why not the other one? >>>>> >>>>> BTW Sublimish was an extra thing. Who got that in image? >>>> >>>> I donât know.It shouldnât :) >>>> >>>> What we should do is to create a page for themes and links to it (and >>>> they should be in catalog) :) >>> >>> Well, it was me who proposed the slice and yes, I was aware of the >>> fact that I should not do it because of code freeze (I was not aware >>> of the two themes policy). >> >> it is not a policy, it is just the idea I have :) >> >> >>>>>> We can remove it again, I will prepare a slice. >> >> problem with it is that is makes ripples.If community want it (is >> nice), we can include it, but I would wait for P7, yes. > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19801/Remove-SublimishTheme > At least it was an advertisement for this theme that moved it forward > and the integration of it helped to improve the dark theme too. And > showed again how much we need the concept of palettes >used strictly in > the system. > > -- Pavel > > >> >>>> Esteban >> >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Esteban >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Esteban Lorenzano >>>>> <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:17, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my use, >>>>>>> but I like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, >>>>>>> and I like in general all >>>>>>>this new additions. >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way, even if I like it, I would not have integrated >>>>>> SublimishTheme. For same reason I didnât integrated DarkMetalTheme: >>>>>> My idea is to have just two >>>>>>themes *in image*: one white, one >>>>>> dark, and allow people to install other themes from catalog. >>>>>> Why? Because each class inside image becomes our responsibility and >>>>>> then a maintainability issue. With themes in particular already >>>>>> happened that >>>>>>existing themes became abandonware inside the >>>>>> image and we needed to clean up, not without problems. >>>>>> cheers,Esteban >>>>>> >>>>>> ps: which means also yes: that issue got integrated because I >>>>>> failed to control the flow of issues... >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements so >>>>>>> a good thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) >>>>>>> frozen version? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. If I >>>>>>> can suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that use >>>>>>> linux and mac >>>>>>>(windows is not ready), to test and help fix >>>>>>> 64bits version. >>>>>>> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example why >>>>>>> Spotter does not shows search line. >>>>>>> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that >>>>>>> meant: >>>>>>> - some important changes in UFFI >>>>>>> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for Cairo >>>>>>> (no idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that >>>>>>> causes a >>>>>>>callback problem). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in >>>>>>> general deserves a lot of testing. >>>>>>> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the >>>>>>> train now), but in the mean time you can download all from here: >>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip >>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip >>>>>>> (linux) >>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip (mac) >>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip (in case you need >>>>>>> them) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers,Esteban >> > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by Thierry Goubier

Le 06/03/2017 Ã 18:43, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > which VM are you using? > > this: > > **PrimitiveFailure** > findSubstring:in:startingAt:matchTable: > > indicates that you are not using a PharoVMâ¦ am I right? I'm using https://dl.bintray.com/estebanlm/pharo-vm/pharo-linux-x86_64threaded.d7cda1… Thierry > Esteban > > >> On 6 Mar 2017, at 17:38, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2017-03-06 17:20 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: >> >> >>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 17:04, Thierry Goubier >>> <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2017-03-06 16:54 GMT+01:00 Pavel >>> Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:pavel.krivanek@gmail.com>>: >>> >>> I treid 64-bit Pharo on fresh (x)ubuntu and: >>> - Zodiac (SSL) works >>> - Roassal (Athens) work with a library path fix >>> . LibGit can be loaded with some effort. >>> >>> >>> You're luckier than me. >>> >>> Pharo 64bits segfaults on both Ubuntu 16.04 and 16.10. >> >> â¦ and the dumps? >> >> >> Here it is. Can create it on-demand :( >> >> I had no success compiling 64bits vms by myself. They crash/deadlock >> after that point, but they are not usable either. >> >> Thierry >> >> >> >> Esteban >> >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks very promising! Thank you! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> >>> >>> 2017-03-06 7:17 GMT+01:00 Esteban >>> Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for >>> my use, but I like it), and I like (a lot) the windows >>> list on spotter, and I like in general all this new >>> additions. >>> >>> And I know, most of those additions are usability >>> enhancements so a good thing. >>> >>> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in >>> theory) frozen version? >>> >>> Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things >>> missing. If I can suggest an orientation, it would be >>> good, for those that use linux and mac (windows is not >>> ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. >>> >>> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for >>> example why Spotter does not shows search line. >>> >>> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits >>> but that meant: >>> >>> - some important changes in UFFI >>> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks >>> for Cairo (no idea if it is a callbacks problem or an >>> image problem that causes a callback problem). >>> >>> I would say all this and the fact we are working on >>> 64bits in general deserves a lot of testing. >>> >>> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at >>> the train now), but in the mean time you can download all >>> from here: >>> >>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip >>> <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip> >>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip >>> <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip> (linux) >>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip> (mac) >>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip >>> <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip> (in >>> case you need them) >>> >>> cheers, >>> Esteban >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> <crash.dmp> >

March 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by Esteban Lorenzano

which VM are you using? this: **PrimitiveFailure** findSubstring:in:startingAt:matchTable: indicates that you are not using a PharoVMâ¦ am I right? Esteban > On 6 Mar 2017, at 17:38, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2017-03-06 17:20 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: > >> On 6 Mar 2017, at 17:04, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2017-03-06 16:54 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com <mailto:pavel.krivanek@gmail.com>>: >> I treid 64-bit Pharo on fresh (x)ubuntu and: >> - Zodiac (SSL) works >> - Roassal (Athens) work with a library path fix >> . LibGit can be loaded with some effort. >> >> You're luckier than me. >> >> Pharo 64bits segfaults on both Ubuntu 16.04 and 16.10. > > â¦ and the dumps? > > Here it is. Can create it on-demand :( > > I had no success compiling 64bits vms by myself. They crash/deadlock after that point, but they are not usable either. > > Thierry > > > Esteban > >> >> Thierry >> >> >> It looks very promising! Thank you! >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> >> >> >> 2017-03-06 7:17 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: >> Hi, >> >> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my use, but I like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, and I like in general all this new additions. >> >> And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements so a good thing. >> >> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) frozen version? >> >> Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. If I can suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that use linux and mac (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. >> >> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example why Spotter does not shows search line. >> >> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that meant: >> >> - some important changes in UFFI >> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for Cairo (no idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that causes a callback problem). >> >> I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in general deserves a lot of testing. >> >> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the train now), but in the mean time you can download all from here: >> >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip> >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip> (linux) >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip> (mac) >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip> (in case you need them) >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> >> > > > <crash.dmp>

March 6, 2017

Welcome screen

by Ben Coman

Just wanted to say I like what Squeak has done with their welcome screens. First, the main buttons to Skip or Configure and... 1. Choose a Theme 2. Visual settings 3. Interaction settings 4. More interaction settings 5. Other settings Probably we wouldn't want all those, but at least choosing a theme might be good, and perhaps asking for participation in UI feedback, or enabling any technology previews that might be included.. Check out 5.1 download from http://squeak.org/. cheers -ben

March 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by Thierry Goubier

2017-03-06 17:20 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > On 6 Mar 2017, at 17:04, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > 2017-03-06 16:54 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > >> I treid 64-bit Pharo on fresh (x)ubuntu and: >> - Zodiac (SSL) works >> - Roassal (Athens) work with a library path fix >> . LibGit can be loaded with some effort. >> > > You're luckier than me. > > Pharo 64bits segfaults on both Ubuntu 16.04 and 16.10. > > > â¦ and the dumps? > Here it is. Can create it on-demand :( I had no success compiling 64bits vms by myself. They crash/deadlock after that point, but they are not usable either. Thierry > > Esteban > > > Thierry > > >> >> It looks very promising! Thank you! >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> >> >> >> 2017-03-06 7:17 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my use, but I >>> like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, and I like in >>> general all this new additions. >>> >>> And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements so a good >>> thing. >>> >>> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) frozen >>> version? >>> >>> Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. If I can >>> suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that use linux and mac >>> (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. >>> >>> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example why >>> Spotter does not shows search line. >>> >>> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that meant: >>> >>> - some important changes in UFFI >>> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for Cairo (no >>> idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that causes a >>> callback problem). >>> >>> I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in general >>> deserves a lot of testing. >>> >>> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the train >>> now), but in the mean time you can download all from here: >>> >>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip >>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip (linux) >>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip (mac) >>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip (in case you need them) >>> >>> cheers, >>> Esteban >>> >> >> > >

March 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 6 Mar 2017, at 17:04, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2017-03-06 16:54 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com <mailto:pavel.krivanek@gmail.com>>: > I treid 64-bit Pharo on fresh (x)ubuntu and: > - Zodiac (SSL) works > - Roassal (Athens) work with a library path fix > . LibGit can be loaded with some effort. > > You're luckier than me. > > Pharo 64bits segfaults on both Ubuntu 16.04 and 16.10. â¦ and the dumps? Esteban > > Thierry > > > It looks very promising! Thank you! > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > > > 2017-03-06 7:17 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: > Hi, > > First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my use, but I like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, and I like in general all this new additions. > > And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements so a good thing. > > But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) frozen version? > > Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. If I can suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that use linux and mac (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. > > There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example why Spotter does not shows search line. > > Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that meant: > > - some important changes in UFFI > - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for Cairo (no idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that causes a callback problem). > > I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in general deserves a lot of testing. > > I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the train now), but in the mean time you can download all from here: > > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip> > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip> (linux) > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip> (mac) > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip> (in case you need them) > > cheers, > Esteban > >

March 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by Thierry Goubier

2017-03-06 16:54 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > I treid 64-bit Pharo on fresh (x)ubuntu and: > - Zodiac (SSL) works > - Roassal (Athens) work with a library path fix > . LibGit can be loaded with some effort. > You're luckier than me. Pharo 64bits segfaults on both Ubuntu 16.04 and 16.10. Thierry > > It looks very promising! Thank you! > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > > > 2017-03-06 7:17 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my use, but I >> like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, and I like in >> general all this new additions. >> >> And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements so a good >> thing. >> >> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) frozen >> version? >> >> Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. If I can >> suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that use linux and mac >> (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. >> >> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example why Spotter >> does not shows search line. >> >> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that meant: >> >> - some important changes in UFFI >> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for Cairo (no >> idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that causes a >> callback problem). >> >> I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in general >> deserves a lot of testing. >> >> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the train now), >> but in the mean time you can download all from here: >> >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip (linux) >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip (mac) >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip (in case you need them) >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> > >

March 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by Pavel Krivanek

I treid 64-bit Pharo on fresh (x)ubuntu and: - Zodiac (SSL) works - Roassal (Athens) work with a library path fix . LibGit can be loaded with some effort. It looks very promising! Thank you! Cheers, -- Pavel 2017-03-06 7:17 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > > First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my use, but I > like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, and I like in > general all this new additions. > > And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements so a good > thing. > > But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) frozen > version? > > Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. If I can > suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that use linux and mac > (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. > > There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example why Spotter > does not shows search line. > > Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that meant: > > - some important changes in UFFI > - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for Cairo (no idea > if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that causes a callback > problem). > > I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in general > deserves a lot of testing. > > I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the train now), > but in the mean time you can download all from here: > > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip (linux) > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip (mac) > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip (in case you need them) > > cheers, > Esteban >

March 6, 2017

[ANN] Pharo Tech Talk March 28

by denker

A regular chat about Pharo. Happens on Discord. The Tech talks are open to both members and non-members! Topic: Round-Table Pharo 6 https://association.pharo.org/event-2487224

March 6, 2017

[ANN] Pharo Sprint March 31

by denker

Pharo Sprint March 31 We will organize a Pharo sprint / Moose dojo March, 31, starting at 10:00am. (Local Time Paris). Goals of this sprint: â¢ Clean issue tracker to prepare for release Pharo6 â¢ Prepare Pharo 7 https://association.pharo.org/event-2487210

March 6, 2017