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New version of Pillar

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi We are happy to announce a new version of Pillar for Pharo 50 and 60. Thanks Maxime Roelandt for the help. Features - Now we can rebuild the mooc slides (the metadata is correctly handled) - The double walking of the tree fixes by Yann Dubois is integrated. - We checked and we can produce HTML, books and slides The version 4.0.7 will be the last stable version for Pharo 50. On Pharo 60 we will start a large cleaning. Here is the list:

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Regarding the autocomplete project information

by Stephane Ducasse

Hello Siddhart I asked lukas to decide if he can participate to the GSOC ecompletion project or not. He is working for a company and he may not have the time to fully participate. I hope that he will take his decision soon. Now about the project and GSOC in general here are some advices: - Did you follow the pharo mooc? - It would be good to show to the community that you are a nice pharoer :) usually we ask people to do the following exercise - double linked list test first - now if you want to show that you are super super cool and we will all want to work with you I suggest (it depends on your level) to try to do the ObjVlisp tutorial available at: On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hello Siddarth > > I know that one student from Prague lukas started to work on analysing the > ecompletion of Pharo. > I think that it would be fair to let him the priority. Then if he does > not/cannot work on it > we can offer it to you. > I sent a mail to him because he is often too busy. > > Stef > > > Hello, I am interested in taking up the autoComplete project. I played > around Pharo last year too. Could you tell me places to start from, with > respect to the autocomplete project. > > Regards Siddharth Gupta, > Ph: 9871012292 > Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidgupta234/> | Github > <https://github.com/sidgupta234> | Codechef > <https://www.codechef.com/users/sidgupta234> | Twitter > <https://twitter.com/SidGupta234> | Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1483695876> > > > > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Wanted: people / projects for the next tech-talks

by Stephane Ducasse

Good idea! On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > For the 28th March I think it would make sense to have not a âdemoâ driven > tech-talk > but a real âtalkâ: > > Round Table âPharo 6 Releaseâ > > As an open discussion about Pharo6 and what after. > > > On 2 Mar 2017, at 16:32, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > We now have completed the 3rd monthly tech talk. > > > > The format seems to work quite well > > > > 1st part: Someone gives a Demo with youtube live > > 2nd: Q&A on Discord > > > > it would be nice to continue to have one per month. The date > > is the last Tuesday of the month: > > > > 28 March > > 25 April > > 30 May > > > > > > Who wants to do a tech talk on one of these dates? > > > > Marcus > > > > > > >

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 1b4c50: 60436

by stepharong

March 8, 2017

[ANN] Student Membership level Pharo Association

by Marcus Denker

Hi, We added this some time ago, but never announced it: There is now a âStudentâ memership level for the Pharo Association. This gives a 50% discount compared to the standard membership. Join here: https://association.pharo.org/join-us <https://association.pharo.org/join-us> Marcus

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 1b4c50: 60436

by stepharong

March 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 1b4c50: 60436

by stepharong

March 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 1b4c50: 60436

by stepharong

+1 On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 14:58:33 +0100, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Thank you, Andrei, for your continued efforts ! > >> On 7 Mar 2017, at 14:47, denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >>> Log Message: >>> ----------- >>> 60436 >>> Moose >>> >>> http://files.pharo.org/image/60/60436.zip >>> >> >> >> This brings changes to the inspector, debugger and fast table renderer >> for glamour. >> Detailed changes: >> >> - added support for refresh in the Inspector/Playground. The refresh >> uses the stepping mechanism from Morphic. There exists a setting to >> start/stop the refresh. Each presentation can decide if it wants >> refresh or not. >> >> - the Glamour renderer for fast table uses now a LRUCache for storing >> the string representation returned by the #format: block. This is >> disabled by default and configureable per presentation. By default it >> is enabled for the Raw presentation and the collection presentations. >> >> - the debugger now offers access to variables defined in the playground >> when debugging code from the playground >> >> - the inspector uses GTInspectorVariableNode to model variables in the >> Raw view. >> >> - fixed inspector issues with collections >> >> Also fixes issues: >> - case 18899 Raw presentation from the debugger inspector raises error >> when the rawSelection comes from another presentation >> - case 17949 Missing evaluator presentation for the current context in >> debugger >> - case 19753 Disappearing content in the context inspector from >> GTDebugger when tags are used >> - case 19720 Add method scoped [Evaluator] tab to debugger >> - case 14569 GTInspector should do live updates of objects and their >> slots >> >> >> > > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by stepharong

> This is not only when teaching. > > I was at a conference today and showcased some Grafoscopio. > > Spotty wifi and crowded bandwith makes it bad looking. > > We need an "Airplane mode" switch. > > Maybe can we have that available in the session from the settings. :) I think that just having a setting and turning it on in the preferences is the way to go. Stef

March 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by phil＠highoctane.be

I see you are not teaching to people or running demos in a crowd with Pharo. Otherwise, you would get the point I can tell you 100% Phil On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Frankly I fail to see the problem, if a tool connects to the internet and > does not have some sort of timeout or speed check then is the obligation of > the tool to fix that and not of Pharo to offer an airplane mode. Its would > make an already complex pharo environment even more complex. Not to exclude > the fact that having two mode will create useless confusion for beginners. > > Offer a new mode for Pharo ? No > Offer methods that check internet connectivity and internet speed for > pharo tool developers to use ? Yes > > I feel that Pharo can be simplified down to 1% without the need for a big > compromise on features. Maybe it does not matter for us that are used to > working with Blender but its a huge deal for beginners and if we want to > attract a lot more new users. > > My dream is that version 8 be dedicated ONLY to simplifying the Pharo > code, by removing all the extra fat. No new bug fixes (unless created by > the removal of the code), no new features. I know we have bootstrap , but > thats a completely different thing. > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:15 PM phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > wrote: > >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19818/Support-for- >> Airplane-mode-in-Pharo for keeping track of this >> >> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 6:35 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> >> wrote: >> > This is not only when teaching. >> > >> > I was at a conference today and showcased some Grafoscopio. >> > >> > Spotty wifi and crowded bandwith makes it bad looking. >> > >> > We need an "Airplane mode" switch. >> >> That is a cool way to describe it. A well know paradigm. >> Its a setting that probably would change daya to day more than any other, >> so perhaps it would even be reasonable to have this as a permanent >> mode button on the background, >> or the task bar much like MS Windows taskbar status icons. >> >> cheers -ben >> >> > >> > Maybe can we have that available in the session from the settings. >> > >> > Phil >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> The problem is that there are people who give lectures in universities >> >> with bad internet (internet is bad in most of the universities I >> tried) and >> >> they done want freezes. On the other hand we have people who sit in >> their >> >> offices with fast machines, fast internet and they want features. >> Until now >> >> we were looking at how to satisfy one of the groups and which one >> exactly. >> >> Why not to try finding a solution for both. For example we can have the >> >> plugging enabled by default and have Spotter measuring the time needed >> to do >> >> a query. Whenever the time surpasses frustration limit (10 sec? I duno) >> >> Spotter will ask if the user wants to turn off the plugin, of turns it >> of >> >> automatically and tells where to re-enable it. The other way would be >> to >> >> have known plugins to appear at the bottom of Spotter, and a user can >> >> install/enable them with one click. So when you search but there is >> nothing >> >> you know that there are more plugins that may solve your problem. >> >> >> >> Yes it is more complicated to implement in in a smart way rather them >> just >> >> set the default boolean value of a setting, but we spend too much time >> >> anyway convincing the other side that we are rightâ¦ >> >> >> >> Uko >> >> >> >> > On 6 Mar 2017, at 21:30, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > One day I would like to invite you to give a lecture in a not that >> bad >> >> > french university >> >> > with a not that good network. Each time Pharo freezes you pay me 5 >> Euros >> >> > only and we can >> >> > go and pay some really expensive restaurant with your money. >> >> > Simple on my machine it times out every five minutes. >> >> > >> >> > <sorry I could not resist> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 19:51, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> We should make it available from the catalog :) >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, it most certainly should be. >> >> >> >> >> >> If only we could then tell user to type >> >> >> >> >> >> Shift-Enter Sublimish Enter >> >> >> >> >> >> to install it using Spotter right from the catalog ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, I couldn't resist ... <ducking> >> >> >> >> >> >>> 2017-03-06 9:29 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 09:22, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com >> > >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> 2017-03-06 8:20 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> >: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:57, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-6.0-Issue-Validator- >> simple/7294/artifact/report.html >> >> >>>>> is not integrated for some Monkey reason anyway - still should >> b/c if you >> >> >>>>> put sublimish, you need a decent matching Spotter. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Also, I see >> >> >>>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19796/Remove-duplicate- >> code-from-SublimishTheme >> >> >>>>> on 5/3. If this moves forward, why not the other one? >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> BTW Sublimish was an extra thing. Who got that in image? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I donât know. >> >> >>>> It shouldnât :) >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> What we should do is to create a page for themes and links to it >> (and >> >> >>>> they should be in catalog) :) >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Well, it was me who proposed the slice and yes, I was aware of the >> >> >>>> fact that I should not do it because of code freeze (I was not >> aware of the >> >> >>>> two themes policy). >> >> >>> >> >> >>> it is not a policy, it is just the idea I have :) >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> We can remove it again, I will prepare a slice. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> problem with it is that is makes ripples. >> >> >>> If community want it (is nice), we can include it, but I would wait >> >> >>> for P7, yes. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19801/Remove-SublimishTheme >> >> >>> At least it was an advertisement for this theme that moved it >> forward >> >> >>> and the integration of it helped to improve the dark theme too. >> And showed >> >> >>> again how much we need the concept of palettes used strictly in >> the system. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- Pavel >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Esteban >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- Pavel >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Esteban >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Phil >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Esteban Lorenzano >> >> >>>>> <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:17, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> > >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Hi, >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my >> use, >> >> >>>>>> but I like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, >> and I like >> >> >>>>>> in general all this new additions. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> By the way, even if I like it, I would not have integrated >> >> >>>>> SublimishTheme. For same reason I didnât integrated >> DarkMetalTheme: My idea >> >> >>>>> is to have just two themes *in image*: one white, one dark, and >> allow people >> >> >>>>> to install other themes from catalog. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Why? Because each class inside image becomes our responsibility >> and >> >> >>>>> then a maintainability issue. With themes in particular already >> happened >> >> >>>>> that existing themes became abandonware inside the image and we >> needed to >> >> >>>>> clean up, not without problems. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> cheers, >> >> >>>>> Esteban >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> ps: which means also yes: that issue got integrated because I >> failed >> >> >>>>> to control the flow of issues... >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements >> so a >> >> >>>>>> good thing. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) >> >> >>>>>> frozen version? >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. >> If I >> >> >>>>>> can suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that >> use linux and >> >> >>>>>> mac (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example >> why >> >> >>>>>> Spotter does not shows search line. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that >> >> >>>>>> meant: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> - some important changes in UFFI >> >> >>>>>> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for >> Cairo >> >> >>>>>> (no idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that >> causes a >> >> >>>>>> callback problem). >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in >> >> >>>>>> general deserves a lot of testing. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the >> train >> >> >>>>>> now), but in the mean time you can download all from here: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip >> >> >>>>>> (linux) >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip >> (mac) >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip (in case you >> need >> >> >>>>>> them) >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> cheers, >> >> >>>>>> Esteban >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >>

March 7, 2017