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Re: [Pharo-dev] Regarding the autocomplete project information

by Siddharth Gupta

I have followed the mooc. Great, I'll be on this project then, will do the couple of problems you have asked me to, to show the familiarity to the community. Looking forward. Thanks On Mar 8, 2017 3:13 PM, "Stephane Ducasse" <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Siddhart > > I asked lukas to decide if he can participate to the GSOC ecompletion > project or not. He is working for a company and > he may not have the time to fully participate. > I hope that he will take his decision soon. > > Now about the project and GSOC in general here are some advices: > - Did you follow the pharo mooc? > - It would be good to show to the community that you are a nice pharoer :) > usually we ask people to do the following exercise > - double linked list test first > - now if you want to show that you are super super cool and we will all > want to work with you I suggest (it depends on your level) > to try to do the ObjVlisp tutorial available at: > > > > On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> Hello Siddarth >> >> I know that one student from Prague lukas started to work on analysing >> the ecompletion of Pharo. >> I think that it would be fair to let him the priority. Then if he does >> not/cannot work on it >> we can offer it to you. >> I sent a mail to him because he is often too busy. >> >> Stef >> >> >> Hello, I am interested in taking up the autoComplete project. I played >> around Pharo last year too. Could you tell me places to start from, with >> respect to the autocomplete project. >> >> Regards Siddharth Gupta, >> Ph: 9871012292 <098710%2012292> >> Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidgupta234/> | Github >> <https://github.com/sidgupta234> | Codechef >> <https://www.codechef.com/users/sidgupta234> | Twitter >> <https://twitter.com/SidGupta234> | Facebook >> <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1483695876> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> > >

March 9, 2017

Using PharoShortcuts for code completion

by komarlu2＠fit.cvut.cz

Hello to all, would it be ok to implement a category in PharoShortcuts called "keymaps-code completion" where all the shortcuts for the suggestion menu and code completion would be? I think this menu would qualify as a basic tool. - In the comment section it says it is for basic tools and to allow to change shortcuts from a single place. Thanks, Lukas

March 8, 2017

Code Completion in Pharo

by komarlu2＠fit.cvut.cz

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Code Completion in Pharo

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

On 08/03/2017 21:43, stepharong wrote: > This is not related to code completion per se. > I would like to able to navigate based on word instead of characters. > > | is a cursor pressing tab or something else move it to the right > >> and also even if this is not strictly about completion >> selector: navigation >> >> | self at: key ifAbsent: >> then >> self |at: key ifAbsent: >> then >> self at:| key ifAbsent: >> then >> self at: key |ifAbsent: >> >> >>> Is it clear what I'm trying to say? >> > > This is already possible with cmd + -> / cmd + <- -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 2 rue Jacques PrÃ©vert 01, 59650 Villeneuve d'ascq France

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Code Completion in Pharo

by stepharong

This is not related to code completion per se. I would like to able to navigate based on word instead of characters. | is a cursor pressing tab or something else move it to the right > and also even if this is not strictly about completion > selector: navigation > > | self at: key ifAbsent: > then > self |at: key ifAbsent: > then > self at:| key ifAbsent: > then > self at: key |ifAbsent: > > >> Is it clear what I'm trying to say? > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Need to login to access pharo-dev ci

by stepharong

Yes I reported this :) Now try with google, because if you get a link inside you can go there funny no? > HI, > > when I go to https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/ I end up on a page > asking me to login. Shouldnât it be possible to see the jobs without > logging in? > > Uko -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] New version of Pillar

by stepharong

I made - a new pharo 50 with lightPhaser as version 1.0 and not bleeding edge. - then on pharo 60 now we have 4.0.9 with the fixes of doru next the command line fixes of Maxime. We will finish to get agile :) Stef > :) thanks Stef and Maxime. > > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Stephane Ducasse > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi >> We are happy to announce a new version of Pillar for Pharo 50 and 60. >> Thanks Maxime Roelandt for the help. >> Features - Now we can rebuild the mooc slides (the metadata is >> correctly handled) >> - The double walking of the tree fixes by Yann Dubois is integrated. >> - We checked and we can produce HTML, books and slides >> >> The version 4.0.7 will be the last stable version for Pharo 50. >> On Pharo 60 we will start a large cleaning. Here is the list: >> >> > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Regarding the autocomplete project information

by stepharong

Tx cyril >> >> > > The link is missing. But I think it wight be this one: > > http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/Teaching/Lectures-Cameron-Archi/ObjV.pillar.p… I have a new one https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/BuildingLanguageKerne… I should revisit it but I have to find time for it. > > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 8, 2017

libssh2.so was: Re: Esteban's ChangeLog week of 27 February 2017

by Alistair Grant

Hi Esteban, On Sun, Mar 05, 2017 at 11:00:02PM -0800, estebanlm(a)gmail.com wrote: > * And now I made +libssh2.so+ compile on linux too :) > > I think Iceberg is fixed now for linux, can someone with linux try +vmLatest60+. I've done some quick ad-hoc testing of this and haven't found any problems (just refreshing, synchronising and pulling incoming commits). $ ./pharo --version 5.0-201703081637 Wed Mar 8 17:38:04 UTC 2017 gcc 4.6.3 [Production Spur ITHB VM] CoInterpreter * VMMaker.oscog-eem.2143 uuid: fe064b6b-e530-4766-837d-799ffe1e8dcd Mar 8 2017 StackToRegisterMappingCogit * VMMaker.oscog-eem.2143 uuid: fe064b6b-e530-4766-837d-799ffe1e8dcd Mar 8 2017 VM: 201703081637 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git $ Date: Wed Mar 8 17:37:29 2017 +0100 $ Plugins: 201703081637 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git $ Linux testing-docker-2c74524e-0bce-41a0-905e-309e215345ee 4.8.12-040812-generic #201612020431 SMP Fri Dec 2 09:33:31 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux plugin path: /home/alistair/pharo6/pharo/pharo-vm/ [default: /home/alistair/pharo6/pharo/pharo-vm/] HTH, Alistair

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by Peter Uhnak

On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 04:03:12PM +0100, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > I see you are not teaching to people or running demos in a crowd with Pharo. > > Otherwise, you would get the point I can tell you 100% To me it seems like bad engineering. One does not query a network synchronously and expect things to just work (or work at all). We should take a hint from Node and JS and promises about handling this. This is a basic requirement that any novice JS web developer knows how to handle. Speaking of the opposite, I noticed that loading projects in Pharo 6 no longer completely freezes the UI (unlike 5), which is *thumbs up*. :) Peter > > Phil > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Frankly I fail to see the problem, if a tool connects to the internet and > > does not have some sort of timeout or speed check then is the obligation of > > the tool to fix that and not of Pharo to offer an airplane mode. Its would > > make an already complex pharo environment even more complex. Not to exclude > > the fact that having two mode will create useless confusion for beginners. > > > > Offer a new mode for Pharo ? No > > Offer methods that check internet connectivity and internet speed for > > pharo tool developers to use ? Yes > > > > I feel that Pharo can be simplified down to 1% without the need for a big > > compromise on features. Maybe it does not matter for us that are used to > > working with Blender but its a huge deal for beginners and if we want to > > attract a lot more new users. > > > > My dream is that version 8 be dedicated ONLY to simplifying the Pharo > > code, by removing all the extra fat. No new bug fixes (unless created by > > the removal of the code), no new features. I know we have bootstrap , but > > thats a completely different thing. > > > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:15 PM phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > > wrote: > > > >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19818/Support-for- > >> Airplane-mode-in-Pharo for keeping track of this > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 6:35 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > >> wrote: > >> > This is not only when teaching. > >> > > >> > I was at a conference today and showcased some Grafoscopio. > >> > > >> > Spotty wifi and crowded bandwith makes it bad looking. > >> > > >> > We need an "Airplane mode" switch. > >> > >> That is a cool way to describe it. A well know paradigm. > >> Its a setting that probably would change daya to day more than any other, > >> so perhaps it would even be reasonable to have this as a permanent > >> mode button on the background, > >> or the task bar much like MS Windows taskbar status icons. > >> > >> cheers -ben > >> > >> > > >> > Maybe can we have that available in the session from the settings. > >> > > >> > Phil > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> The problem is that there are people who give lectures in universities > >> >> with bad internet (internet is bad in most of the universities I > >> tried) and > >> >> they done want freezes. On the other hand we have people who sit in > >> their > >> >> offices with fast machines, fast internet and they want features. > >> Until now > >> >> we were looking at how to satisfy one of the groups and which one > >> exactly. > >> >> Why not to try finding a solution for both. For example we can have the > >> >> plugging enabled by default and have Spotter measuring the time needed > >> to do > >> >> a query. Whenever the time surpasses frustration limit (10 sec? I duno) > >> >> Spotter will ask if the user wants to turn off the plugin, of turns it > >> of > >> >> automatically and tells where to re-enable it. The other way would be > >> to > >> >> have known plugins to appear at the bottom of Spotter, and a user can > >> >> install/enable them with one click. So when you search but there is > >> nothing > >> >> you know that there are more plugins that may solve your problem. > >> >> > >> >> Yes it is more complicated to implement in in a smart way rather them > >> just > >> >> set the default boolean value of a setting, but we spend too much time > >> >> anyway convincing the other side that we are rightâ¦ > >> >> > >> >> Uko > >> >> > >> >> > On 6 Mar 2017, at 21:30, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > One day I would like to invite you to give a lecture in a not that > >> bad > >> >> > french university > >> >> > with a not that good network. Each time Pharo freezes you pay me 5 > >> Euros > >> >> > only and we can > >> >> > go and pay some really expensive restaurant with your money. > >> >> > Simple on my machine it times out every five minutes. > >> >> > > >> >> > <sorry I could not resist> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 19:51, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> We should make it available from the catalog :) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yes, it most certainly should be. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If only we could then tell user to type > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Shift-Enter Sublimish Enter > >> >> >> > >> >> >> to install it using Spotter right from the catalog ;-) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sorry, I couldn't resist ... <ducking> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> 2017-03-06 9:29 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 09:22, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com > >> > > >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> 2017-03-06 8:20 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com > >> >: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:57, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-6.0-Issue-Validator- > >> simple/7294/artifact/report.html > >> >> >>>>> is not integrated for some Monkey reason anyway - still should > >> b/c if you > >> >> >>>>> put sublimish, you need a decent matching Spotter. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Also, I see > >> >> >>>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19796/Remove-duplicate- > >> code-from-SublimishTheme > >> >> >>>>> on 5/3. If this moves forward, why not the other one? > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> BTW Sublimish was an extra thing. Who got that in image? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> I donât know. > >> >> >>>> It shouldnât :) > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> What we should do is to create a page for themes and links to it > >> (and > >> >> >>>> they should be in catalog) :) > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Well, it was me who proposed the slice and yes, I was aware of the > >> >> >>>> fact that I should not do it because of code freeze (I was not > >> aware of the > >> >> >>>> two themes policy). > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> it is not a policy, it is just the idea I have :) > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> We can remove it again, I will prepare a slice. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> problem with it is that is makes ripples. > >> >> >>> If community want it (is nice), we can include it, but I would wait > >> >> >>> for P7, yes. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19801/Remove-SublimishTheme > >> >> >>> At least it was an advertisement for this theme that moved it > >> forward > >> >> >>> and the integration of it helped to improve the dark theme too. > >> And showed > >> >> >>> again how much we need the concept of palettes used strictly in > >> the system. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> -- Pavel > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Esteban > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> -- Pavel > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Esteban > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Phil > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Esteban Lorenzano > >> >> >>>>> <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:17, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com > >> > > >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Hi, > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my > >> use, > >> >> >>>>>> but I like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, > >> and I like > >> >> >>>>>> in general all this new additions. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> By the way, even if I like it, I would not have integrated > >> >> >>>>> SublimishTheme. For same reason I didnât integrated > >> DarkMetalTheme: My idea > >> >> >>>>> is to have just two themes *in image*: one white, one dark, and > >> allow people > >> >> >>>>> to install other themes from catalog. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Why? Because each class inside image becomes our responsibility > >> and > >> >> >>>>> then a maintainability issue. With themes in particular already > >> happened > >> >> >>>>> that existing themes became abandonware inside the image and we > >> needed to > >> >> >>>>> clean up, not without problems. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> cheers, > >> >> >>>>> Esteban > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> ps: which means also yes: that issue got integrated because I > >> failed > >> >> >>>>> to control the flow of issues... > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements > >> so a > >> >> >>>>>> good thing. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) > >> >> >>>>>> frozen version? > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. > >> If I > >> >> >>>>>> can suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that > >> use linux and > >> >> >>>>>> mac (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example > >> why > >> >> >>>>>> Spotter does not shows search line. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that > >> >> >>>>>> meant: > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> - some important changes in UFFI > >> >> >>>>>> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for > >> Cairo > >> >> >>>>>> (no idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that > >> causes a > >> >> >>>>>> callback problem). > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in > >> >> >>>>>> general deserves a lot of testing. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the > >> train > >> >> >>>>>> now), but in the mean time you can download all from here: > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip > >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip > >> >> >>>>>> (linux) > >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip > >> (mac) > >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip (in case you > >> need > >> >> >>>>>> them) > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> cheers, > >> >> >>>>>> Esteban > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >>

March 8, 2017