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Re: [Pharo-dev] Why do we have doublequoting for "?

by Tudor Girba

Hi Stef, I am still thinking about this point, but I do not have an intelligent answer yet. I just wanted to say that I did not forget it :). Cheers, Doru > On Feb 26, 2017, at 11:16 PM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > I hate my mail client.... > Apparently I wrote email to explain what I finally understood and it never sent it nor archive it :( > So I will try to summarize it and take some time tomorrow to reexplain it. > > Now I understand why I got confused > > printit is currently a function from > objects -> literals (this handles the self-evaluating objects) + (and this is unfortunate non literals such as string objects by opposition to literal strings) > > It means that there ares case where we can have > object -> a string object (and not a literal) in that case we use the string object as a mediocre "reference" to the object. > > > If we would have > printgraphics > we would have objects -> graphics and unknow objects would be represented by a little blue square and clicking on it would bring > and object representation (inspectors or whatever) > > Now how to we improve the situation. I have the impression that it would be good to have instead of printOn: which is used to do too many things. > > - first printOn: should not be used for list/combo or any widgets (this will avoid some friends I know to get interfaces with ' inside their comboxchoice) but to use displayString > > - second I would introduce > asLiteralOn: > which garantee that you cannot escape > > this way printIt will only prints strings as literal strings and the contract is clear. > > objects -> literals (this handles the self-evaluating objects) > > 1 > >>> 1 > > false > >>> > false > > but > (Directory name: 'comics') > >>> 'comics' > > { 1 . Browser new} > >>> 'anArray with (1, a Browser') > > now we can ask ourselves if > > { (Directory name: 'comics') } > >>> > { 'comics' } I do not like it > or > >>> 'anArray with ( comics ) > > > back to my confusion: > > I was confused about the fact that I was hijacking the textual representation > 'comics' is not a directory but a string > now may be I should have return a storeOn: representation > or 'aDirectory (comics)' > > and introduce displayString > 'comics' > > Probably that printOn: should not be used the way I did it. > but I do not know. > > I think that this is a subtle domain and we should provide better guidelines. > > Do you understand my points? > What do you think? > > Stef -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Presenting is storytelling."

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Debugger: is there a way to skip a message?

by Tudor Girba

Oh, maybe âReturn entered valueâ is what Stef was looking for. If yes, you can obtain it from the contextual menu of the Stack. Cheers, Doru > On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:20 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: >> Hi >> >> I need to skip message while debugging and I thought that it was possible. >> May be I do not see it. > > This would be a nice feature. I never noticed if we ever had it > Two work arounds I sometimes use... > * select rest of the method and "Debug It". > * step-Into, and then "Return entered value" > > cheer -ben > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Every thing should have the right to be different."

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] 60437 empty catalog

by Ben Coman

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:41 PM, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:14:58PM +0800, Ben Coman wrote: >> Anyone else getting an empty Catalog? >> >> In 60437 & CoInterpreter * VMMaker.oscog-eem.2143 uuid: >> fe064b6b-e530-4766-837d-799ffe1e8dcd Mar 3 2017 >> (i386itimer-201703031554.zip) >> >> Sorry I'm too tired to bisect it myself right now. >> (Just spent 10 hours sanding the wooden floors of my brothers house) >> > > It looks ok to me. Try deleting the file from your local package cache, > sometime an error condition can leave junk there. Thanks Dave. Testing again, from PharoLauncher I do... Local/60437 > "Create an Image" which essentially unzips 60437.zip with an empty package cache, then Existing Images > 60437-01 > Launch. Tools > Catalog ==> still empty. PharoLauncher settings... * Spur VM Full Path = /home/ben/.local/share/Pharo/VMs/i386itimer-201703031554/pharo downloaded from... * http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur32/linux/pharo-linux-i386itimer-2017030… cheers -ben

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] 60437 empty catalog

by David T. Lewis

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:14:58PM +0800, Ben Coman wrote: > Anyone else getting an empty Catalog? > > In 60437 & CoInterpreter * VMMaker.oscog-eem.2143 uuid: > fe064b6b-e530-4766-837d-799ffe1e8dcd Mar 3 2017 > (i386itimer-201703031554.zip) > > Sorry I'm too tired to bisect it myself right now. > (Just spent 10 hours sanding the wooden floors of my brothers house) > It looks ok to me. Try deleting the file from your local package cache, sometime an error condition can leave junk there. Dave

March 11, 2017

60437 empty catalog

by Ben Coman

Anyone else getting an empty Catalog? In 60437 & CoInterpreter * VMMaker.oscog-eem.2143 uuid: fe064b6b-e530-4766-837d-799ffe1e8dcd Mar 3 2017 (i386itimer-201703031554.zip) Sorry I'm too tired to bisect it myself right now. (Just spent 10 hours sanding the wooden floors of my brothers house) cheers -ben

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Debugger: is there a way to skip a message?

by Ben Coman

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 4:20 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hi > > I need to skip message while debugging and I thought that it was possible. > May be I do not see it. This would be a nice feature. I never noticed if we ever had it Two work arounds I sometimes use... * select rest of the method and "Debug It". * step-Into, and then "Return entered value" cheer -ben

March 11, 2017

what is the SpecLayout architecture?

by Peter Uhnak

Hi, this is probably a tall order, but is there some description of SpecLayout architecture? To clarify: I am NOT asking how to use SpecLayout, I am asking how SpecLayout works internally. iirc SpecInterpreter was rewritten by Johan & Stef, so maybe you guys have some notes? Thanks, Peter

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Where are the Metacello ConfigurationOfYourProject supposed to be?

by Peter Uhnak

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 09:12:55PM +0800, Ben Coman wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 1:34 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Nicolas > > Since a couple of years already we have one MetaRepo per version > > > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo60' > > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo50' > > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40' > > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo30' > > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > > > You see it is in place since Pharo 30 :). > > > > We are working on a single place (web site) to publish packages but also the > > package metadata. > > The problem right now is that we cannot verify/publish a configuration > > without loading it. > > > > The idea is to have kind of distributions of packages working and validated > > vs. a folder full of possible packages > > I hated so much the squeak catalog because 5 times on 6 nothing worked. > > > > Stef > > Just a thought for when the catalog validation is implemented, > it would be good to report what the test coverage is, > so this can be filtered on to distinguish from projects > that are green just because they have a single test. > > Also, (as time permits) > it would be good to have a checkbox to filter out projects > having no description, and be enabled by default. There is no sane reason why description should be empty, so please just make it mandatory (and author/contact too (and possibly tags)). Re coverage: that would require that the user installing it actually understands how the metric was computed... e.g. call coverage != path coverage; also the usefulness and complexity of coverage will greatly depend on the used task. You can get 100% call coverage with some algo lib, but good luck getting there with UI. Likewise if the project is more diverse you can very easily skew it. Peter

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Mini Pharo -> JavaScript translator?

by Ben Coman

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 1:16 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.squeaksource.com/@xxu3r2Ma7SbqJi3E/1j-SgMCf (74000 downloads). Hi Hannes, That link doesn't work. You need to pick the html one under "Links" heading half way down the project page. cheers -ben

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] image not opening.

by Ben Coman

Maybe related? http://forum.world.st/BUG-A-problem-with-callbacks-that-shows-up-in-64bits-… On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 2:22 AM, Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On ven. 10 mars 2017 at 18:42, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> We found the problem with Guillermo and this may be a problem of the last >> VM. >> >> The image got its starting window size really small: some pixels on some >> pixles. >> So may be the metadata of the image are systematically corrupted. >> >> Hi >> >> I have a jenkins that produce an image that does not start >> when I try to open it locally. >> >> Now if I take the image and load the "same" configuration I get a working >> image >> >> I have not idea how to debug that. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > If it can help: here is the build: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/OOnoz/ > > It is happening in almost all Pharo 6 builds > -- > Cheers > Cyril Ferlicot

March 11, 2017